The Amazing Spider-Man Spider-Man Reboot Costume Part 4 - "What's that in his eye??" - Part 5

[Godzilla2014]

After the way that Spider-Man 3 went, I don't. Had Spider-Man 3 gone differently (y'know, better)? I would be against this reboot 110%.

What I don't get is, almost everyone wanted a reboot after Spider-Man 3... and they got exactly that. So what's the problem? lol

I think it's a bit too soon. I mean, Batman Begins wasn't released until 8 years after Batman & Robin, and 16 years after Batman. Hell, Batman was a reboot, and it came out 23 years after the previous incarnation. That time meant that most of the audience had forgotten the prior series by the time the reboot came. They were fresh to receive the new series.
However it's only been 5 years since Spider-Man 3, and only 10 years after Spider-Man. This means audiences probably won't see the new Spider-Man series through fresh eyes like with the Batman reboots.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Just for the record I'm also among those that wanted the underpants/trunks on Superman. I was just letting you know what the audience that Warner Brothers is targeting usually thinks in regard to Superman's trunks at least.

I like the new TMOS costume a lot but it's chance for perfection has already been dropped when omitting the trunks.

To be honest though the new Superman design is less of a departure than this new Spider-Man suit is to me. That's a remodeling of the classic suit that mainly does a lot of things right while The Amazing Spider-Man suit does more things wrong than right IMO. It just isn't as nice of a design.

But I do thank you for respecting my opinion it's good to see civility.

Agreed.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Just for the record I'm also among those that wanted the underpants/trunks on Superman. I was just letting you know what the audience that Warner Brothers is targeting usually thinks in regard to Superman's trunks at least.

I like the new TMOS costume a lot but it's chance for perfection has already been dropped when omitting the trunks.

To be honest though the new Superman design is less of a departure than this new Spider-Man suit is to me. That's a remodeling of the classic suit that mainly does a lot of things right while The Amazing Spider-Man suit does more things wrong than right IMO. It just isn't as nice of a design.

But I do thank you for respecting my opinion it's good to see civility.

I think their both remodels of the classic version. Even the new Spider-Man suit is a variation of the Ditko design. Most of the same elements are there, it's just the execution that's different.

I just get the impression from most of your posts that anything but the classic design is inexcusable. Which is fine. I can respect that. It's the purist mentality.

If you can accept them changing the Superman suit which is the most iconic superhero outfit of all time, than nothing is off-limits. It is, what it is.

 

[craigdbfan]

I think their both remodels of the classic version. Even the new Spider-Man suit is a variation of the Ditko design. Most of the same elements are there, it's just the execution that's different.

I just get the impression from most of your posts that anything but the classic design is inexcusable. Which is fine. I can respect that. It's the purist mentality.

If you can accept them changing the Superman suit which is the most iconic superhero outfit of all time, than nothing is off-limits. It is, what it is.

It's not that I'm against redesigns seeing as I like the new MOS costume it's just that I think that the designer for TAS didn't do as good of a job as the MOS designer did when given the job to do a major re haul of the classic costume. It's as simple as that.

That's not so hard to understand right? I'm well aware it's subjective but personally I think the MOS designer did a much better job of omitting, changing and keeping elements from the original costume while whoever was in charge of the new Spider-Man designed seemed a little lost.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

It's not that I'm against redesigns seeing as I like the new MOS costume it's just that I think that the designer for TAS didn't do as good of a job as the MOS designer did when given the job to do a major re haul of the classic costume. It's as simple as that.

That's not so hard to understand right? I'm well aware it's subjective but personally I think the MOS designer did a much better job of omitting, changing and keeping elements from the new costume while whoever was in charge of the new Spider-Man seemed a little lost.

That I have no problem with.

Taste in design is purely subjective with each individual, and perfectly reasonable.

You can't argue with a purist on the other hand because God himself can redesign the suit and offer you perfection, but they would reject it because it's not the classic look!

 

[Godzilla2014]

It's not that I'm against redesigns seeing as I like the new MOS costume it's just that I think that the designer for TAS didn't do as good of a job as the MOS designer did when given the job to do a major re haul of the classic costume. It's as simple as that.

That's not so hard to understand right? I'm well aware it's subjective but personally I think the MOS designer did a much better job of omitting, changing and keeping elements from the original costume while whoever was in charge of the new Spider-Man designed seemed a little lost.

This.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I think their both remodels of the classic version. Even the new Spider-Man suit is a variation of the Ditko design. Most of the same elements are there, it's just the execution that's different.

I just get the impression from most of your posts that anything but the classic design is inexcusable. Which is fine. I can respect that. It's the purist mentality.

If you can accept them changing the Superman suit which is the most iconic superhero outfit of all time, than nothing is off-limits. It is, what it is.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

It's not that I'm against redesigns seeing as I like the new MOS costume it's just that I think that the designer for TAS didn't do as good of a job as the MOS designer did when given the job to do a major re haul of the classic costume. It's as simple as that.

That's not so hard to understand right? I'm well aware it's subjective but personally I think the MOS designer did a much better job of omitting, changing and keeping elements from the original costume while whoever was in charge of the new Spider-Man designed seemed a little lost.

Agreed.

 

[craigdbfan]

That I have no problem with.

Taste in design is purely subjective with each individual, and perfectly reasonable.

You can't argue with a purist on the other hand because God himself can redesign the suit and offer you perfection, but they would reject it because it's not the classic look!

Completely agree man.

See I was on board for the Superman reboot and the Spider-Man reboot and unfortunately only one of the costumes actually clicked with me and it's sort of a bummer that I ended up liking Supermans more seeing as I had invested more time on Spidey.

With that said I've loved everything else in regards to both movies. The only problem I seem to have is with some of the design choices with Spideys new costume and that's pretty much it. Everything else has me pretty pumped. I can always overlook my distaste for a costume if the film itself is strong which I hope will be the case for TAS and MOS.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

This.

Agreed.

I take it since both you guys are in agreement, than neither of you are against redesigning the classic suit? It's one thing to not like a certain design/elements and a whole other to reject everything because IT IS a redesign.

 

[VenomSpawn]

I think it's a bit too soon. I mean, Batman Begins wasn't released until 8 years after Batman & Robin, and 16 years after Batman. Hell, Batman was a reboot, and it came out 23 years after the previous incarnation. That time meant that most of the audience had forgotten the prior series by the time the reboot came. They were fresh to receive the new series.
However it's only been 5 years since Spider-Man 3, and only 10 years after Spider-Man. This means audiences probably won't see the new Spider-Man series through fresh eyes like with the Batman reboots.

The difference is that WB has always had control of the Batman films and always will, Sony doesn't have that luxury. Sony has a deadline they have to meet, so like it or not, we're probably never going to have a long break in between Spider-Man films.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I take it since both you guys are in agreement, than neither of you are against redesigning the classic suit? It's one thing to not like a certain design/elements and a whole other to reject everything because IT IS a redesign.

Yes. If the suit CAN work on film, then I think it should be as close to the comic book suit as possible. Which was the case with Raimi's Spider-Man suit. Now, obivously, I understand some things that work well in comics don't always work well on film, but in this case, Spider-Man's suit DID translate perfectly in Raimi's films. If it can work, go for it. Hell, if a redesign can work, then go for it, but if it's unnecessary, then don't.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I take it since both you guys are in agreement, than neither of you are against redesigning the classic suit? It's one thing to not like a certain design/elements and a whole other to reject everything because IT IS a redesign.

Yes. Upon reevaluation, the new suit isn't terrible to me. It's okay. Mediocre might be a better term for my opinion of it.

 

[Juicy J]

The difference is that WB has always had control of the Batman films, Sony doesn't. Sony has a deadline they have to meet, so like it or not, we're probably never going to have a long break in between Spider-Man films.

Um...
I have a secret.. there's an eensy weensy tiny bit of me that hopes ASM fails just so the rights will eventually revert back to marvel...

(Please don't kill me)

 

[Godzilla2014]

The difference is that WB has always had control of the Batman films and always will, Sony doesn't have that luxury. Sony has a deadline they have to meet, so like it or not, we're probably never going to have a long break in between Spider-Man films.

True.

If the suit CAN work on film, then I think it should be as close to the comic book suit as possible. Which was the case with Raimi's Spider-Man suit. Now, obivously, I understand some things that work well in comics don't always work well on film, but in this case, Spider-Man's suit DID translate perfectly in Raimi's films. If it can work, go for it.

Agreed.
On the other hand, it is a reboot, and using a similar suit might be confusing to the audience. I guess it's a catch-22.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Um...
I have a secret.. there's an eensy weensy tiny bit of me that hopes ASM fails just so the rights will eventually revert back to marvel...

(Please don't kill me)

Doesn't matter. A Spider-Man movie is guaranteed financial success even if it completely sucks (ex. Spider-Man 3) so the rights will never revert back to Marvel.

And I don't want them to either. I don't want to see Spider-Man in the Avengers. At all.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Um...
I have a secret.. there's an eensy weensy tiny bit of me that hopes ASM fails just so the rights will eventually revert back to marvel...

(Please don't kill me)

*Kills Juicy J*

 

[Godzilla2014]

Doesn't matter. A Spider-Man movie is guaranteed financial success even if it completely sucks (ex. Spider-Man 3) so the rights will never revert back to Marvel.

And I don't want them to either. I don't want to see Spider-Man in the Avengers. At all.

Agreed.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Yes. If the suit CAN work on film, then I think it should be as close to the comic book suit as possible. Which was the case with Raimi's Spider-Man suit. Now, obivously, I understand some things that work well in comics don't always work well on film, but in this case, Spider-Man's suit DID translate perfectly in Raimi's films. If it can work, go for it. Hell, if a redesign can work, then go for it, but if it's unnecessary, then don't.

If it's unnecessary, then yes, they shouldn't. With this movie, it was.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Agreed.
On the other hand, it is a reboot, and using a similar suit might be confusing to the audience. I guess it's a catch-22.

Indeed. However, there are ways to change it to look different than the other version, but still extremely identical to the comic design.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Indeed. However, there are ways to change it to look different than the other version, but still extremely identical to the comic design.

Different shaped eyes and a new symbol can only make it look so different...

Besides, they altered the suit to fit in with the whole modern tone they're going for.

 

[Godzilla2014]

If it's unnecessary, then yes, they shouldn't. With this movie, it was.

But not at all for the reasons he stated for justification. The suit can work on film. We've seen it, and we all paid the price of admission to do so. So, by his statement, it's literally just change for the sake of change, and therefore, unjustified.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Besides, they altered the suit to fit in with the whole modern tone they're going for.

But why? How does Spider-Man's original suit not fit in 2011? That's confusing to me.

 

[craigdbfan]

Doesn't matter. A Spider-Man movie is guaranteed financial success even if it completely sucks (ex. Spider-Man 3) so the rights will never revert back to Marvel.

And I don't want them to either. I don't want to see Spider-Man in the Avengers. At all.

Marvel/Disney already snatched the rights towards the majority of earnings from any merchandising related to any movie Sony makes with Spider-Man. That's a huge acquisition.

Disney is renowned for having the best lawyers in the world. You can bet they're working hard on getting the character back one way or another. The merchandising deal is already a giant blow.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Indeed. However, there are ways to change it to look different than the other version, but still extremely identical to the comic design.

I am ambivalent on the issue.

Different shaped eyes and a new symbol can only make it look so different...

Besides, they altered the suit to fit in with the whole modern tone they're going for.

I don't buy any reason for the redesign other than distinctness from the Acheson designs.