Star Trek Beyond - Part 1

[DarthSkywalker]

If anything, it gave me hope for the movie.

 

[Bruce Malone]

So are most Star Wars fans pro Star Trek or see it as competition? Because that can certainly affect its box office.

A lot of the youtube trailer comments seemed to be Star Wars rules Star Trek sucks kinda stuff.

I'm sure STB would love a piece of that SW pie.

 

[Marvolo]

No star trek film has ever made over $500 million worldwide. It's not a threat to star wars at the box office. And YouTube comments are best ignored. Nothing but trolls and children shooting their mouths off.

Even if star trek were serious competition that wouldn't change how I feel about both franchises. Star wars is my first love, but I enjoy star trek and I will continue to do so regardless of whether it effects star wars's box office. Fans getting in pissing matches over various franchise is stupid and immature.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Yeah, Star Trek would be lucky to even get to gross TFA's opening weekend numbers in it's total run. It's no competition at the box office and it's too early to tell if they can compete in the quality department going forward...

 

[titansupes]

If anything, it gave me hope for the movie.

Same.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Well everybody hated the first Ant-Man trailer but the later trailer and full movie ended being really popular.

So the first trailer is hardly a bad omen.

 

[Young Superman]

Off topic but, as much as I like Benedict Cumberbatch as an actor I think he was miscast as Khan Noonien Singh. One o the many things wrong with STID.

 

[Octoberist]

Cumberbatch was a strange choice for Khan.

 

[Young Superman]

I would have gone with someone like Benicio del Toro.

 

[titansupes]

^ They were in negotiations with him, but it didn't work out (obviously).

 

[aNarcHy2day]

^ They were in negotiations with him, but it didn't work out (obviously).

Hmm...I did not know that.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yeah getting the whitest guy in the universe to play Kahn was...weird.

 

[Urich Leeds]

Yeah getting the whitest guy in the universe to play Kahn was...weird.

Especially when the Abramsverse is in slight continuity with the tv universe.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The ripples in time caused by the events of the first movie gave Khan's mother vanilla fever

 

[Loki882]

They talked to both Benicio del Toro and Edgar Ramirez about playing Khan actually. When those didn't work out, then they went with Cumberbatch.

Also, the OG Khan was played by a light-skinned Mexican man (whom they had to smother in brown makeup just to make him look vaguely "Indian"). So there's that as well.

 

[dude stannis]

If you line up the year STiD takes place and the years Khan had been in stasis, he would've been frozen in the 1950's. So I think could've done more with his old timey 50's views in the utopic future of Trek.

 

[Monochron]

They talked to both Benicio del Toro and Edgar Ramirez about playing Khan actually. When those didn't work out, then they went with Cumberbatch.

Also, the OG Khan was played by a light-skinned Mexican man (whom they had to smother in brown makeup just to make him look vaguely "Indian"). So there's that as well.

Mexican in that he was born in Mexico but he was the son of two Spaniards. Ricardo Montalbán was just a Spanish white man like Antonio Banderas, and Javier Bardem.

 

[Doctor Jones]

If this wasn't a Star Trek movie I think this is a good trailer. It's fist pumping cool... except Star Trek isn't like that. They took a song that worked great in its context in the first film and seem to have just used it to make Star Trek look hardcore and edgy. It's just loud and obnoxious and makes something more on the cerebral side look just moved it to the extreme of what the past two have been criticized for.

 

[Marvolo]

If this wasn't a Star Trek movie I think this is a good trailer. It's fist pumping cool... except Star Trek isn't like that. They took a song that worked great in its context in the first film and seem to have just used it to make Star Trek look hardcore and edgy. It's just loud and obnoxious and makes something more on the cerebral side look just moved it to the extreme of what the past two have been criticized for.

Not according to Justin Lin.

It’s in the DNA of this canon. It was in the ’09 Trek, and we went through different iterations of the teaser and I wanted to make sure whatever here is using all the elements from the film. It’s been a part of this Kirk’s journey and so I felt it was very organic, and it will ultimately be in the finished film.

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-trek-beyond-criticisms/

 

[Iceman]

Saw the trailer before Star Wars both times. Really got me in the mood for seeing another film with these characters.

 

[Iceman]

So are most Star Wars fans pro Star Trek or see it as competition? Because that can certainly affect its box office.

A lot of the youtube trailer comments seemed to be Star Wars rules Star Trek sucks kinda stuff.

I'm sure STB would love a piece of that SW pie.

The usual ***** make into a Vs thing where you can only like one, while those who enjoy life are free to enjoy (or not) both!

 

[Doctor Jones]

Not according to Justin Lin.

Eh, going from making it a single scene that's a character piece of Kirk's childhood to display his recklessness to making it part of the marketing in how it cuts a trailer is a big leap for me. It seems Paramount screaming, "LOOK HOW EXCITING STAR TREK CAN BE TOO STAR WARS FANS! THE BEASTIE BOYS IS HARDCORE AND SO IS THIS!!!"

I think this will still be in line with the previous two films and judging from some shots, it might even look more like classic Star Trek since I see shots of a planet community that the Enterprise is trying to help, it's just the trailer is cut in such a way where it wants to be something that it really isn't.

 

[Sawyer]

Yeah getting the whitest guy in the universe to play Kahn was...weird.

I feel like Cumberbatch's casting is the reason they were so cagey about it being Khan in the first place and was why they cooked up that John Harrison stuff. Had they cast Benicio, I doubt they would've even bothered pretending. But with Cumby, I feel like they probably cooked up something about Admiral Marcus altering his appearance so no one would be able to trace his origins, and for whatever reason, they just tossed it and went "Eh, whatever, he's Khan."

 

[Schlosser85]

It is quite the stretch going from Ricardo Montalban to Benedict Cumberbatch, especially considering they made an effort to cast most of the others with actors who somewhat physically resembled the originals, and someone like Benicio del Toro, Edgar Ramirez, or Javier Bardem would have certainly been more in the Montalban vein, but to me, Cumberbatch's performance was good enough to overcome it.

In fact, as blasphemous as this might be to Trekkies, I prefer Cumberbatch's Khan. More convincing as an intellectual, and more menacing. I bought his intelligence more than I ever did Montalban's, and the scene where he crushes Admiral Marcus' head was far more frightening than anything Montalban did.

It's also worth pointing out that Montalban isn't any more Indian than Cumberbatch is (or del Toro, Ramirez, or Bardem).

 

[Marvolo]

Eh, going from making it a single scene that's a character piece of Kirk's childhood to display his recklessness to making it part of the marketing in how it cuts a trailer is a big leap for me. It seems Paramount screaming, "LOOK HOW EXCITING STAR TREK CAN BE TOO STAR WARS FANS! THE BEASTIE BOYS IS HARDCORE AND SO IS THIS!!!"

I think this will still be in line with the previous two films and judging from some shots, it might even look more like classic Star Trek since I see shots of a planet community that the Enterprise is trying to help, it's just the trailer is cut in such a way where it wants to be something that it really isn't.

Why do you think it's a leap? Lin considers it a part of this Kirk's character, and Lin says the song is in the film. There is no reason for him to lie about that. This is more than a marketing thing. There is no leap here.