Star Trek Beyond - Part 3

[Tacit Ronin]

Tis a shame. Tis a shame.

 

[The Batman]

Damn. It was one of the few 2016 blockbusters that was actually good.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Isn't it still due to open in some big territories?

 

[Kathemy]

Yes, but even if it matches its domestic gross with the international gross it will still lose money.

 

[dark_b]

this is what they get for waiting 4 years and releasing Into the Darkness. the 2009 movie was the beginning of a mega ST franchise. but no he had to direct a Spielberg homage.

 

[CaptainWagner]

That's disappointing. I finally got a chance to see this last week, and it was great!

 

[TheVileOne]

this is what they get for waiting 4 years and releasing Into the Darkness. the 2009 movie was the beginning of a mega ST franchise. but no he had to direct a Spielberg homage.

At least that movie was fairly successful, and it wasn't a reboot or adaptation of an existing property or a sequel. Deserves credit for that at least IMHO.

Midnight's Edge releases a video on Star Trek Beyond and the box office decline of the movies after the 2009 reboot.

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[MadVillainy]

Damn shame. I really enjoyed this one. Still my favorite blockbuster of the year so far

 

[Blade X]

http://www.inquisitr.com/3409505/its-official-star-trek-beyond-is-a-box-office-flop/

Good. That's what they get for retconing Sulu into being gay against George Takei's wishes. Not to mention, doing so behind his back. It's both insulting and (be it intentionally or unintentionally) bigoted and narrow minded to retcon a straight character into being gay because the actor who played the character was gay. It wouldn't surprise me that one (but not the only) of the reasons (a minor reason at that) why this movie tanked is because they retconned Sulu into being gay.

 

[titansupes]

^ I'm 100% certain the split second shot of Sulu with his arm around his partner had nothing to do with this at all. That's ridiculous.

The problem is a mixture of-- a lack of momentum for the reboot-verse, a blockbuster filled market, poor marketing as a whole, and the lame/nerdy stigma the Star Trek brand has amongst the general public.

 

[Octoberist]

Good. That's what they get for retconing Sulu into being gay against George Takei's wishes. Not to mention, doing so behind his back. It's both insulting and (be it intentionally or unintentionally) bigoted and narrow minded to retcon a straight character into being gay because the actor who played the character was gay. It wouldn't surprise me that one (but not the only) of the reasons (a minor reason at that) why this movie tanked is because they retconned Sulu into being gay.

I'm pretty damn sure that's not one of the reasons.

 

[Blade X]

^ I'm 100% certain the split second shot of Sulu with his arm around his partner had nothing to do with this at all. That's ridiculous.

The problem is a mixture of-- a lack of momentum for the reboot-verse, a blockbuster filled market, poor marketing as a whole, and the lame/nerdy stigma the Star Trek brand has amongst the general public.

I'm pretty damn sure that's not one of the reasons.

Like I said in my post, if this is ONE (NOT THE ONLY) of the reasons why this movie tanked, it is a MINOR reason.

 

[Octoberist]

I doubt it. Only some of the fans do, but in the fricken movie, it was a 5 second scene.

I think the main reason is that the summer season has been a mixed bag. As good as Civil War was, it opened back in May, and it felt like a life time ago. Sure we had some good movies like Finding Dory, and a few good indies, but it all felt so lackluster. Many movies didn't make a profit, including Warcraft and ID4 2, or barely made it to the black. People are willing to go only if there's an event type film, like Suicide Squad, Nory, etc. But even X-Men's box office was disappointing.

So Trek was just a casualty despite being a decent movie. I also agree that Trek has a stigma behind it, despite being such a cultural flagship. That stigma still stings in international markets.

Paramount and CBS has been dropping the ball on Trek this year, even with the announcement of the potentially awesome show next year. Even then, in the US and Canada, we can only see it via CBS's streaming service. Awful.

Also, there's just too much good stuff on TV.

 

[Sawyer]

#GayPanic is fun.

 

[redhawk23]

At least that movie was fairly successful, and it wasn't a reboot or adaptation of an existing property or a sequel. Deserves credit for that at least IMHO.

Midnight's Edge releases a video on Star Trek Beyond and the box office decline of the movies after the 2009 reboot.

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I don't think something deserves credit for technically being a new property when it does little more than borrow iconography without context or impact. Super 8 actually has a whole lot in common with his Wrath of Kahn rehash.

 

[Kathemy]

I don't think something deserves credit for technically being a new property when it does little more than borrow iconography without context or impact.

Apparently I am not alone in the Universe in that thought.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Good. That's what they get for retconing Sulu into being gay against George Takei's wishes. Not to mention, doing so behind his back. It's both insulting and (be it intentionally or unintentionally) bigoted and narrow minded to retcon a straight character into being gay because the actor who played the character was gay. It wouldn't surprise me that one (but not the only) of the reasons (a minor reason at that) why this movie tanked is because they retconned Sulu into being gay.

If it's a minor issue even to you why the preamble that it's a chicken comes home to roost type deal? Very odd.

 

[Kathemy]

The idea that anyone wouldn't watch this film because "they made Sulu gay" is utterly insane. Perhaps it would be more relevant to credit some of the backlash to the suits lying about dropping the lawsuit versus Axanar.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Good. That's what they get for retconing Sulu into being gay against George Takei's wishes. Not to mention, doing so behind his back. It's both insulting and (be it intentionally or unintentionally) bigoted and narrow minded to retcon a straight character into being gay because the actor who played the character was gay. It wouldn't surprise me that one (but not the only) of the reasons (a minor reason at that) why this movie tanked is because they retconned Sulu into being gay.

Lol.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

My guess is that Paramount isn't particularly concerned about the box office. Looking at the numbers for the last two movies, it's unlikely that either made money just considering the theatrical release. But the fact they keep churning them out, and with budgets that previous films in the series don't justify, suggests to me that the studio views them mainly as commercials for the broader Trek universe of books, DVD box sets, Trek licensed merchandise, etc.

IMO if anything kills this particular iteration of Trek, it will be the actors aging out of the roles due to the glacial pace of production.

 

[Iceman]

My guess is that Paramount isn't particularly concerned about the box office. Looking at the numbers for the last two movies, it's unlikely that either made money just considering the theatrical release. But the fact they keep churning them out, and with budgets that previous films in the series don't justify, suggests to me that the studio views them mainly as commercials for the broader Trek universe of books, DVD box sets, Trek licensed merchandise, etc.

IMO if anything kills this particular iteration of Trek, it will be the actors aging out of the roles due to the glacial pace of production.

If that's the case then I'm happy that these films don't need big numbers to justify making sequels. As for aging out of the roles, I don't even think these guys will reach their peak in terms of what they can bring to the franchise for a good while. Will be awesome to see the whole crew as veterans with multiple film experiences and events under their belt. That's my take on it at least.

 

[TheVileOne]

I doubt the general public cares about fan film lawsuits with Star Trek.

 

[Drizzle]

It's like what's been said in this thread before: they need to get the younger audience back. They had them with 09 but lost them because they waited too long for the sequel. Even when I went to see Beyond, my friends and I were probably the only ones in the theater younger than 50. It wasn't a very crowded showing either.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah I agree with the Midnight's Edge episode. They squandered off all the buzz and momentum gained from the 2009 movie.

I mean for two years they weren't doing anything for a follow-up. No writing, no story development no script getting ready or anything.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Paramount/CBS are pushing the Trek brand like it's the 90s. If they wanted to reach a larger audience, they wouldn't be using Trek on CBS' streaming service instead of across multiple platforms like Netflix or Amazon.

Marvel/Disney had GOTG cartoon ready to go after the movie so it stays in rotation for kids to be excited about the next movie.

It's not simply the fact they waited 4 years after the reboot movie.