Stephen King's "IT" remake has found a writer - Part 4

[guitarsingerguy]

Would have been a nice update on the idea that Pennywise turned into classic movie monsters. Krueger's this generations Universal Monster.

Exactly. What the hell would a kid have found scarier movie wise in the 80's than Freddy Kreuger?

 

[FunkMiller]

Would have been a nice update on the idea that Pennywise turned into classic movie monsters. Krueger's this generations Universal Monster.

Also could have kickstarted a NOES reboot too. Hell, they could have used Pinhead as well. Shame they didn't go with it really. The 80s nostalgia factor would have kicked up several notches.

 

[The Joker]

So overall this could be hitting 700 million WW? Crazy.

And totally deserved.

 

[harlequinade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ItTheMovie/comments/70flkm/when_ben_turns_to_this_picture_in_library_scene/

I love attention to detail in horror and sneaking in creepy things you won't notice at first

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Also could have kickstarted a NOES reboot too. Hell, they could have used Pinhead as well. Shame they didn't go with it really. The 80s nostalgia factor would have kicked up several notches.

Absolutely, but could you imagine the rights nightmare that would have been to get permission to use all those guys?

 

[guitarsingerguy]

And totally deserved.

It's such a shame that they knocked this out of the park, but they wiped their ass all over The Dark Tower. King must have figured one outta two ain't bad.

 

[JohnnyGobbs]

Absolutely, but could you imagine the rights nightmare that would have been to get permission to use all those guys?

Would there have been a rights issue for Freddy? Bear in mind that both It and the NOES franchise are both produced by New Line (Warner Bros). That's why NOES5 was one of the three films displayed on the cinema marquee during the film, along with Batman '89 and Lethal Weapon 2 (also produced by Warner Bros).

I never saw the NOES films as a kid, but a lot of my classmates had (and we were even younger than the kids in It), so there's a high likelihood that at least a few of the Losers' Gang (especially Richie) would have seen one of Freddy films on video. And even without seeing the films, the photograph images of Freddy and the descriptions of the NOES deaths my friends used to scare the **** out of me as a kid.

A Freddy sequence would have been perfect, not just for scares but for capturing one of the pop culture touchstones of that era.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Would there have been a rights issue for Freddy? Bear in mind that both It and the NOES franchise are both produced by New Line (Warner Bros). That's why NOES5 was one of the three films displayed on the cinema marquee during the film, along with Batman '89 and Lethal Weapon 2 (also produced by Warner Bros).

I never saw the NOES films as a kid, but a lot of my classmates had (and we were even younger than the kids in It), so there's a high likelihood that at least a few of the Losers' Gang (especially Richie) would have seen one of Freddy films on video. And even without seeing the films, the photograph images of Freddy and the descriptions of the NOES deaths my friends used to scare the **** out of me as a kid.

A Freddy sequence would have been perfect, not just for scares but for capturing one of the pop culture touchstones of that era.

I didn't mean Freddy cause like I said, I read an article that said that actually almost happened. I was more talking about the person that suggested like Pinhead and all the other 80's horror monsters taking the place of the Universal monsters from the book. I meant getting all THOSE rights from the films that are scattered all over other studios.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

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IT grossed an estimated $19.2M on Friday. 8-Day total stands at $177.91M.

 

[JohnnyGobbs]

I didn't mean Freddy cause like I said, I read an article that said that actually almost happened.

Damn! It's a shame that didn't happen. I wonder if a Freddy cameo would work at all in Part 2, maybe in some of the flashback scenes featuring the kids.

 

[Kane52630]

At this point it'll definitely beat out Logan and the Exorcist in the box office.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic/mpaa.htm?page=R&p=.htm

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Damn! It's a shame that didn't happen. I wonder if a Freddy cameo would work at all in Part 2, maybe in some of the flashback scenes featuring the kids.

Possibly. I can try and find that article if you like. I don't remember if they explained why they decided against it. It was super late one night when I read it.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

The new weekend estimate from Deadline puts 'IT' at 59 million for the weekend. I think they are being slightly conservative. Even with a standard 40% increase on Saturday and a further 40% decrease on Sunday, 'IT' can notch up 62.2 million this weekend.

 

[righthooksrus86]

Just saw it and loved it...it's gonna go down as a halloween classic.

 

[FunkMiller]

At this point it'll definitely beat out Logan and the Exorcist in the box office.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic/mpaa.htm?page=R&p=.htm

Adjusted it won't get near The Exorcist. It's close to 1 billion at domestic box office. 1.5 billion worldwide.

 

[Kane52630]

Obviously.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Damn! It's a shame that didn't happen. I wonder if a Freddy cameo would work at all in Part 2, maybe in some of the flashback scenes featuring the kids.

I'll never understand why some people wanted Freddy or Jason in this movie, it's such a dumb idea. The whole thing with Pennywise is that he's scary because he's a real life monster. It works in the book because the kids are comparing their encounters with It to the old movie monsters, where you could tell it looked fake. This doesn't work with Freddy because you can't really make him look scarier. Plus, it would completely take me out of the movie if he or any other 80's movie monster were to make an appearance. This is Pennywise's movie, he doesn't need help from other, more well known, movie monsters.

 

[terry78]

The used Black Lagoon in the book hence why it would kinda make sense. But these kids are probably too savvy to be freaked out by things they know are movie magic so they'd assume they were just people in costume or whatever. The stuff they saw was **** that they genuinely worry about daily.

 

[Finarfiniel]

I'll never understand why some people wanted Freddy or Jason in this movie, it's such a dumb idea. The whole thing with Pennywise is that he's scary because he's a real life monster. It works in the book because the kids are comparing their encounters with It to the old movie monsters, where you could tell it looked fake. This doesn't work with Freddy because you can't really make him look scarier. Plus, it would completely take me out of the movie if he or any other 80's movie monster were to make an appearance. This is Pennywise's movie, he doesn't need help from other, more well known, movie monsters.

Yeah, I kinda agree. As good as IT appearing as Freddy Krueger sounds on paper, I can't really see it working in the actual film. Without the greater context that the book has the benefit of, I think it would have come off more as a hokey shoutout and, like you say, would have achieved nothing more than taking the viewer out of the film.

I love NOES, but I'm personally glad they didn't go forward with that idea.

 

[DACrowe]

At this point it'll definitely beat out Logan and the Exorcist in the box office.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic/mpaa.htm?page=R&p=.htm

Adjusted for inflation though, The Exorcist is still one of the most fascinating movies to me. It sold more tickets than any Star Wars film (except ANH), Avatar, Titanic, and The Avengers. The idea of an R-rated horror movie having that level of impact on the zeitgeist is unheard of today.

With that said, It is getting there closer than perhaps anything in the last four decades.

 

[DACrowe]

Yeah, I kinda agree. As good as IT appearing as Freddy Krueger sounds on paper, I can't really see it working in the actual film. Without the greater context that the book has the benefit of, I think it would have come off more as a hokey shoutout and, like you say, would have achieved nothing more than taking the viewer out of the film.

I love NOES, but I'm personally glad they didn't go forward with that idea.

Yes, it worked well on paper in the It novel, but that book is also 1100 pages. You spend months with these kids and their day-to-day lives that even when yo cut the book into two movies, you don't have time to explore. You don't see them going to see I Was a Teenage Werewolf (or NOES5 in the movie's case) or experiencing the threat of "the clown" at different points and seasons, based on what movies they've just watched.

For af film, you have to streamline to two hours and need to make who Pennywise is clear and immediate. They succeeded at doing just that.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Adjusting for inflation is never a good way to look at the BO earnings of a movie at present. A lot has changed in terms of the movie going landscape. The no. of admissions are declining at a rapid rate. The no of theaters has stagnated in the domestic markets for quite some time. There is little room for growth for the BO industry. Plus who's to say that the big movies in the past will actually collect the adjusted for inflation amount if they were to be released today. Will 'Gone with the Wind' or 'The Sound of Music' sell as many tickets as they did back during their original run in today's market?? Can we guarantee that 'The Exorcist' will sell as many tickets as it did in 1973 in today's BO climate?? All these thing may very well happen but there's simply no way to confirm this.

I'm not trying to knock on 'The Exorcist' by any means because it happens to be the biggest R rated horror movie ever and it was, still is and will remain a huge phenomenon. There is no way to downplay it's gigantic achievements.

 

[DACrowe]

Adjusting for inflation is never a good way to look at the BO earnings of a movie at present. A lot has changed in terms of the movie going landscape. The no. of admissions are declining at a rapid rate. The no of theaters has stagnated in the domestic markets for quite some time. There is little room for growth for the BO industry. Plus who's to say that the big movies in the past will actually collect the adjusted for inflation amount if they were to be released today. Will 'Gone with the Wind' or 'The Sound of Music' sell as many tickets as they did back during their original run in today's market?? Can we guarantee that 'The Exorcist' will sell as many tickets as it did in 1973 in today's BO climate?? All these thing may very well happen but there's simply no way to confirm this.

I'm not trying to knock on 'The Exorcist' by any means because it happens to be the biggest R rated horror movie ever and it was, still is and will remain a huge phenomenon. There is no way to downplay it's gigantic achievements.

Of course something like GWTW (which while a great movie is unapologetically Southern Revisionist history and racist to boot) or Sound of Music (a 3-hour musical) wouldn't make as much today, nor would Exorcist since so many horror movies have ripped it off or borrowed from it for 40 years, muting some of its shocking quality.

The point though is that 40 years ago a horror movie could be one of the biggest films of all time and devour the box office. It is just curious to consider why and how the culture's changed since a horror movie could do those kind of numbers in 1973 and 1974.

But yes, speaking just in cold numbers, no movie will ever sell as many tickets as GWTW. It came out during a period where most Americans went to the movies every week and was a phenomenal piece of escapism during the Great Depression. Moviegoing is only declining as an entertainment alternative in the modern world, albeit I suspect it will always be around despite what some hyperbolic folks are quick to say.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Of course something like GWTW (which while a great movie is unapologetically Southern Revisionist history and racist to boot) or Sound of Music (a 3-hour musical) wouldn't make as much today, nor would Exorcist since so many horror movies have ripped it off or borrowed from it for 40 years, muting some of its shocking quality.

The point though is that 40 years ago a horror movie could be one of the biggest films of all time and devour the box office. It is just curious to consider why and how the culture's changed since a horror movie could do those kind of numbers in 1973 and 1974.

Yes, the number of tickets sold in 1973 stands testament to the quality, re-watchability of 'The Exorcist'. It's mind boggling and insane, solidifying it as one of the biggest zeitgist capturing events in the history of cinemas. There are not many but Exorcist is one of 'em and very high up on that list.

But yes, speaking just in cold numbers, no movie will ever sell as many tickets as GWTW. It came out during a period where most Americans went to the movies every week and was a phenomenal piece of escapism during the Great Depression. Moviegoing is only declining as an entertainment alternative in the modern world, albeit I suspect it will always be around despite what some hyperbolic folks are quick to say.

Yup. There are many options to choose from when it comes to entertainment but movies will never die. They'll keep chugging along just fine while delivering the one-off cultural phenomenons every year.

 

[danoyse]

The point though is that 40 years ago a horror movie could be one of the biggest films of all time and devour the box office. It is just curious to consider why and how the culture's changed since a horror movie could do those kind of numbers in 1973 and 1974.

It's amazing to see the old footage of the lines and the crowd reactions to The Exorcist back then too.

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It made that money back when theaters only had 1 or 2 screens, and maybe 5-6 showings a day. And people were willing to wait on line all day to get in, despite stories of people fainting and puking in the aisles.

When I saw IT last weekend, we had reserved seats and got there 20 minutes before the movie started. My theater is showing it 21 times tomorrow.

And still, I don't think there will be anything quite like The Exorcist, and the impact it had at the time.