Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - Part 1

[Da-Scribe]

Many don't like him as an actor, and if he fails in Terminator, many more will be fine with Waller eliminating the Boomerang, time will tell.

"Many" always pick a new actor to hate unreasonably every single year. "Many" also like to blindly jump on the bandwagon of hate.

 

[HighFivingMF]

You have to make this R. How is pg-13 an option?

It's worked for every issue of the comics, Assault on Arkham and Arrow.

 

[Nemeres]

"Many" think he will be just fine as supporting character like Boomerang. I compare him to Channing Tatum and Jason Statham acting wise...just not as well known as of yet. Don't need a Oscar caliber actor for Boomerang. Just need a guy who can do the action and look good doing it.

Channing Tatum's on a much higher level than that guy.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I've never seen Jai Courtney in anything. All I know is I get my boy Captain Boomerang in live action on TV and in movies. So, y'know, **** yeah.

 

[Sawyer]

Channing Tatum's on a much higher level than that guy.

He's also been around long enough to be given projects that show that off. What does Courtney have? A s***ty Die Hard sequel and a Tom Cruise movie?

 

[Sawyer]

"Many" always pick a new actor to hate unreasonably every single year. "Many" also like to blindly jump on the bandwagon of hate.

-- The SuperHeroHype Story

 

[Wheels]

Channing Tatum's on a much higher level than that guy.

He wasn't always.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

"Many" always pick a new actor to hate unreasonably every single year. "Many" also like to blindly jump on the bandwagon of hate.

"Many" choose to zealously defend every last detail of whatever film they're following at the moment whether it's quality or not. "Many" would prefer an echo chamber full of yes men where no criticism whatsoever is allowed.

Personally I've chosen to dislike Courtney and mock his lack of charisma and talent all by myself, with no input from anyone, thank you very much. And it didn't require a bandwagon, I just had to sit through a few of his leaden performances.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

All this use of the word "many" is giving me Zryson flashbacks.

 

[Da-Scribe]

"Many" choose to zealously defend every last detail of whatever film they're following at the moment whether it's quality or not. "Many" would prefer an echo chamber full of yes men where no criticism whatsoever is allowed.

Personally I've chosen to dislike Courtney and mock his lack of charisma and talent all by myself, with no input from anyone, thank you very much. And it didn't require a bandwagon, I just had to sit through a few of his leaden performances.

You think my use of "many" was a personal attack. It wasn't. Calm down.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Calm down.

No need, I'm perfectly relaxed.

(just like everyone else will be whenever Courtney appears onscreen)

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Channing Tatum's on a much higher level than that guy.

Obviously. He started getting noticed way sooner. I'm talking about acting ability wise. Both not great actors. A great actor is not needed to play Boomerang.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

No need, I'm perfectly relaxed.

(just like everyone else will be whenever Courtney appears onscreen)

 

[Robin91939]

I really hope and think that:

For the first third or so of the film, The Joker will be a member of the Suicide Squad. He will have been captured prior to the film's opening by the Batman and we'll see and hear all about his fascination with him.

He'll also love the fact that his head can blow at any moment and will test Waller near her breaking point to push and detonate the implant in his neck, blowing off his head. Her reluctance and the outlandishness of the idea will make him doubt that the implants even work.

While working for Waller as a member of the Squad, he will secretly be devising his own plan (with Harley's help) and when the moment is right, he'll flip the script on Waller.

The scene I have in mind to show how crazy he is?

Right as he overthrows Waller -- and before her team of guards storm in on the Squad to apprehend The Joker and put him down -- he gets ahold of the detonators for the whole Squad. He'll use them to keep Lawton and the rest at bay. Doubting the implants are actually explosives, and not caring if they actually are, he'll volunteer everyone for a game of Russian roulette, joking that KGBeast should have the advantage. He'll shuffle through all the detonators (including his and Harley's) before throwing away each one to the floor until he is left with only one in his hand. Harley will have second thoughts, beginning to plead with him not to do it, and he'll explain to her why it's funny before pressing the detonator, killing a member of the Squad with a blast before escaping -- giving the Squad a vendetta against him and Waller a target to send them after.

-R

 

[-Arya-]

I really hope and think that:

For the first third or so of the film, The Joker will be a member of the Suicide Squad. He will have been captured prior to the film's opening by the Batman and we'll see and hear all about his fascination with him.

He'll also love the fact that his head can blow at any moment and will test Waller near her breaking point to push and detonate the implant in his neck, blowing off his head. Her reluctance and the outlandishness of the idea will make him doubt that the implants even work.

While working for Waller as a member of the Squad, he will secretly be devising his own plan (with Harley's help) and when the moment is right, he'll flip the script on Waller.

The scene I have in mind to show how crazy he is?

Right as he overthrows Waller -- and before her team of guards storm in on the Squad to apprehend The Joker and put him down -- he gets ahold of the detonators for the whole Squad. He'll use them to keep Lawton and the rest at bay. Doubting the implants are actually explosives, and not caring if they actually are, he'll volunteer everyone for a game of Russian roulette, joking that KGBeast should have the advantage. He'll shuffle through all the detonators (including his and Harley's) before throwing away each one to the floor until he is left with only one in his hand. Harley will have second thoughts, beginning to plead with him not to do it, and he'll explain to her why it's funny before pressing the detonator, killing a member of the Squad with a blast before escaping -- giving the Squad a vendetta against him and Waller a target to send them after.

-R

Love it

 

[TheNextNolan22]

I really hope and think that:

For the first third or so of the film, The Joker will be a member of the Suicide Squad. He will have been captured prior to the film's opening by the Batman and we'll see and hear all about his fascination with him.

He'll also love the fact that his head can blow at any moment and will test Waller near her breaking point to push and detonate the implant in his neck, blowing off his head. Her reluctance and the outlandishness of the idea will make him doubt that the implants even work.

While working for Waller as a member of the Squad, he will secretly be devising his own plan (with Harley's help) and when the moment is right, he'll flip the script on Waller.

The scene I have in mind to show how crazy he is?

Right as he overthrows Waller -- and before her team of guards storm in on the Squad to apprehend The Joker and put him down -- he gets ahold of the detonators for the whole Squad. He'll use them to keep Lawton and the rest at bay. Doubting the implants are actually explosives, and not caring if they actually are, he'll volunteer everyone for a game of Russian roulette, joking that KGBeast should have the advantage. He'll shuffle through all the detonators (including his and Harley's) before throwing away each one to the floor until he is left with only one in his hand. Harley will have second thoughts, beginning to plead with him not to do it, and he'll explain to her why it's funny before pressing the detonator, killing a member of the Squad with a blast before escaping -- giving the Squad a vendetta against him and Waller a target to send them after.

-R

Oohhhh, I like this A LOT.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I really hope and think that:

For the first third or so of the film, The Joker will be a member of the Suicide Squad. He will have been captured prior to the film's opening by the Batman and we'll see and hear all about his fascination with him.

He'll also love the fact that his head can blow at any moment and will test Waller near her breaking point to push and detonate the implant in his neck, blowing off his head. Her reluctance and the outlandishness of the idea will make him doubt that the implants even work.

While working for Waller as a member of the Squad, he will secretly be devising his own plan (with Harley's help) and when the moment is right, he'll flip the script on Waller.

The scene I have in mind to show how crazy he is?

Right as he overthrows Waller -- and before her team of guards storm in on the Squad to apprehend The Joker and put him down -- he gets ahold of the detonators for the whole Squad. He'll use them to keep Lawton and the rest at bay. Doubting the implants are actually explosives, and not caring if they actually are, he'll volunteer everyone for a game of Russian roulette, joking that KGBeast should have the advantage. He'll shuffle through all the detonators (including his and Harley's) before throwing away each one to the floor until he is left with only one in his hand. Harley will have second thoughts, beginning to plead with him not to do it, and he'll explain to her why it's funny before pressing the detonator, killing a member of the Squad with a blast before escaping -- giving the Squad a vendetta against him and Waller a target to send them after.

-R

I really love this, almost gets me on board with the idea of joker cooperating for a little while.

 

[Robin91939]

I really love this, almost gets me on board with the idea of joker cooperating for a little while.

This was just the first thing I thought of with The Joker in an ensamble film like this. It was why? He wouldn't fear death. Not any threat from Waller. He would only do it to shake things up or to reach his own ends.

And I just envisioned a scene, with him holding all the team's lives in his hand and treating it all like a joke. Even his and Harley's lives. The scene would be beautifully tense and show the insanity of The Joker, this new Joker and how far he is willing to go for chaos and a laugh. Under a guy like Ayer direction, that scene could really be something.

Also, it would set The Joker up as a main antagonist for the film and add more cause to organically incorporate Ben Affleck's Batman in the climax of the film.

And we could see The Joker leave Harley with the Squad and see her wrestle with that abandonment, only to see that she was working with him the whole time by the film's end.

-R

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I honestly still am not sold on the idea of him being on the team in the field.

 

[Boy Scout]

Great idea, Robin. I still don't want The Joker to be a part of the team, but if it has to be done, that's the way to do it.

 

[Pickleweasel]

I honestly still am not sold on the idea of him being on the team in the field.

Me neither, itd be like having lex on the team

 

[Rapunzel]

This was just the first thing I thought of with The Joker in an ensamble film like this. It was why? He wouldn't fear death. Not any threat from Waller. He would only do it to shake things up or to reach his own ends.

And I just envisioned a scene, with him holding all the team's lives in his hand and treating it all like a joke. Even his and Harley's lives. The scene would be beautifully tense and show the insanity of The Joker, this new Joker and how far he is willing to go for chaos and a laugh. Under a guy like Ayer direction, that scene could really be something.

Also, it would set The Joker up as a main antagonist for the film and add more cause to organically incorporate Ben Affleck's Batman in the climax of the film.

And we could see The Joker leave Harley with the Squad and see her wrestle with that abandonment, only to see that she was working with him the whole time by the film's end.

-R

Love this idea, but there's one problem: why would anyone trust the Joker knowing he's so bat**** insane? I don't see Waller choosing joker for the squad. I see it more like this:

Lex or some person breaks Joker out of Arkham for nefarious reasons. Joker is betrayed by this person (again preferably Lex) because the person sees just how nuts Joker is and wants out of the alliance.

Meanwhile Harley, left behind and pissed joins the squad to track down Mr. J. , and when they find him, Joker then joins the squad because and only because he's the person who can find the bigger fish (the person who broke him out and is still going on with the nefarious plot.

In this way, Joker's inclusion makes more sense. Waller and company are at his mercy: they are forced to make him part of the squad. He then proceeds to have sick fun with it in awesome scenes like you described.

To me it has to happen more like that. No other way does it make it a lick of sense that waller and co would choose a crazy ****er like Joker for a suicide mission.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Me neither, itd be like having lex on the team

Yeah, that was a nice scene Robin laid out. True to the character, but honestly.. No. The idea of Joker being in the field (which, sure, yeah, they could come up with a reason of some kind to do it.) just doesn't make a lick of sense to my mind. The idea of "a psycho in their back pocket" doesn't hold water to me, no offense to any that think different. I can see him as a Lector type, locked up, but he's being consulted with because he may have some information they need, or (my preference, because I would like to see a lot of Leto in the film) would be Joker as a third party spoiler working against both the Squad and whomever they are going up against.

 

[Da-Scribe]

No need, I'm perfectly relaxed.

(just like everyone else will be whenever Courtney appears onscreen)

I don't know what this means.

So anyways, that last episode of Arrow sold me on Boomer. Not as outlandish on screen as I thought. Well, still outlandish, but in a really good way.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I like Robin's idea about Joker holding all of the detonators in his hands and then playing Russian Roulette with the Squad's lives. He doesn't need to be on the team for that to eventually happen, though.