Supergirl Supergirl General Discussion Thread - Part 7

[John Locke]

I think Supergirl and Flash will last as long as CW wants superhero shows or until they stop wanting to make more seasons, whichever comes first.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think Supergirl and Flash will last as long as CW wants superhero shows or until they stop wanting to make more seasons, whichever comes first.

You don't mention Arrow or LoT in there. Do you think they have a limited shelf life?

 

[flickchick85]

How long do people think Supergirl will run for now that it's on the CW? As long as Arrow so far? Or longer like Smallville?

To me, the ideal length of a show is 5-7 seasons. Any shows I've watched that have gone on longer than that pretty much outstayed their welcome, imo. Depending how well the move to the CW goes, I could see Supergirl lasting that long.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

You don't mention Arrow or LoT in there. Do you think they have a limited shelf life?

If Guggenheim continues alienating non-Olicity shippers than I could see Arrow running into some trouble.

 

[DigificWriter]

If Guggenheim continues alienating non-Olicity shippers than I could see Arrow running into some trouble.

I'm sorry, but comments like this are starting to reach the level of "ridiculous conspiracy theory".

Arrow will run until they've told the story they want to tell.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I'm sorry, but comments like this are starting to reach the level of "ridiculous conspiracy theory".

Arrow will run until they've told the story they want to tell.

Season 4 experienced a ratings drop, most notably post episode 15, which was when the Olicity drama fully returned, and had an episode with the lowest ratings in the series entire run, Olicity is at the heart of the shows issues and it's beginning to show in the ratings. I don't see how it's a "ridiculous conspiracy theory"

 

[BH/HHH]

End of the day were the ratings to drop so badly they'd take it off the air no matter if "the story" we're finished or not. But I'm doubtful that will happen.

However, I could see them maybe changing the show to Arrow and .... Or even replacing it with another superhero show were it to continue a decline in viewership. The problem with Arrow is it peaked with season two. I actually would like to see them end Arrow this season and replace it with a different show. Maybe JSA can spin out of Legends.

As much as I'd love to see a Superman spin off I can't see that happening (although one can hope).

 

[Herolee10]

As much as I'd love to see a Superman spin off I can't see that happening (although one can hope).

I think the biggest two factors that would prevent an Superman spin-off from taking place are:

1. The Current Cinematic Superman existing in the form of Henry Cavill (well technically, the character is presumed dead.lol) Being an potential recurring character is one thing but having an whole dedicated to himself is another thing.

2. Superman's world is too similar to Supergirl's world. One of the key things about each of these DC-TV shows is that they all feel different: Arrow (Human Vigilante), Flash (Speedster who fights meta-humans), and Legends who fight against Time Invaders.

 

[BH/HHH]

I think the biggest two factors that would prevent an Superman spin-off from taking place are:

1. The Current Cinematic Superman existing in the form of Henry Cavill (well technically, the character is presumed dead.lol) Being an potential recurring character is one thing but having an whole dedicated to himself is another thing.

2. Superman's world is too similar to Supergirl's world. One of the key things about each of these DC-TV shows is that they all feel different: Arrow (Human Vigilante), Flash (Speedster who fights meta-humans), and Legends who fight against Time Invaders.

Yeah exactly why I don't think it will happen either. Infact I'm convinced they're only allowed to use him now because BvS has been and gone. Plus we know where the Superman character ended up at the end of that film. What it could do though is make them feel more relaxed about using more characters at the same time with films and television.

I think only hope we'd have is a mini series of sorts like Legends of Tomorrow was originally intended to be. I do think we may see him pop up on other shows possibly aswell.

I've said it a million times though I love what they're doing with the films but the DCTV stuff (IMO) is the best comic book stuff right now. I'd take a full on Superman TV show over a trilogy of films any day. Infact I think adapting comic books to film is better suited to television aswell.

 

[Dr.]

I think the biggest two factors that would prevent an Superman spin-off from taking place are:

1. The Current Cinematic Superman existing in the form of Henry Cavill (well technically, the character is presumed dead.lol) Being an potential recurring character is one thing but having an whole dedicated to himself is another thing.

It’s possible that the lifting of the Superman “embargo” was a special/limited thing. Therefore: the two-part season premier is a one-time chance to showcase Supes and (perhaps) concoct a catchall pretext for his future absence.

But… I rather doubt there’d be flip-flopping on an embargo. It either exists or it doesn’t - no half measures. Also, I kinda doubt that Berlanti & Co. would close the door on Supes (by, e.g., killing him off). Hypothetically, his appearance might be a big crowd-pleaser and ratings boon - which could/should inspire further guest appearances or (maybe) spinoff talk. But if he’s just been killed off… D’Oh!

2. Superman's world is too similar to Supergirl's world. One of the key things about each of these DC-TV shows is that they all feel different: Arrow (Human Vigilante), Flash (Speedster who fights meta-humans), and Legends who fight against Time Invaders.

This is an interesting point. It hasn’t escaped notice that Supergirl has “borrowed” many elements from the Superman mythos. In context, not a big deal because: A) There’s no current Superman TV show for direct comparison - so why not appropriate some of the classic tropes? B) The current cinematic Superman represents a different and darker interpretation. Thus, Supergirl isn’t duplicating anything. Moreover, the embrace of Donner-esque traditionalism could be seen as a meta commentary on - and criticism of - the Snyderverse.

However, in “introducing” Superman, it becomes a bit awkward that many of his personal details and circumstances have already been claimed by the Supergirl continuity. Now, it’ll be quite easy (I imagine) to sidestep these similarities in a guest-starring situation. But it’ll be more of a challenge if the role is upgraded to recurring - or if there’s a spinoff.

 

[Steelsheen]

Some great stuff here video of stunt rehearsal etc....but SPOILER ALERT.

http://yvrshoots.com/2016/08/shoot-supergirls-superman-in-vancouver-as-metropolis.html#.V6Ofrq0YNf9

Once again, this is a great time to follow @yvrshoots on twitter.

oh dont mind me.... just pickin up my jaw from the floor.

as if Superman in S2 isnt enough, as if CLARK KENT isnt enough, we also get a [BLACKOUT]METALLO cameo.[/BLACKOUT]

ASFDDSAFADSFDASFsdad

 

[BH/HHH]

It’s possible that the lifting of the Superman “embargo” was a special/limited thing. Therefore: the two-part season premier is a one-time chance to showcase Supes and (perhaps) concoct a catchall pretext for his future absence.

But… I rather doubt there’d be flip-flopping on an embargo. It either exists or it doesn’t - no half measures. Also, I kinda doubt that Berlanti & Co. would close the door on Supes (by, e.g., killing him off). Hypothetically, his appearance might be a big crowd-pleaser and ratings boon - which could/should inspire further guest appearances or (maybe) spinoff talk. But if he’s just been killed off… D’Oh!

Yeah and never say never but I highly doubt they're gonna kill him
Off. Infact I think they might simply explain away his absences in that he has his own problems, we're probably going to see what he has to deal with in Metropolis which will show why he can't help Kara 24-7.

I think Superman will most likely be saved when they want a ratings boost or for potential crossovers. My only hope is he's gonna appear on some of the other Berlanti shows.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Some great stuff here video of stunt rehearsal etc....but SPOILER ALERT.

http://yvrshoots.com/2016/08/shoot-supergirls-superman-in-vancouver-as-metropolis.html#.V6Ofrq0YNf9

Once again, this is a great time to follow @yvrshoots on twitter.

 

[flickchick85]

2. Superman's world is too similar to Supergirl's world. One of the key things about each of these DC-TV shows is that they all feel different: Arrow (Human Vigilante), Flash (Speedster who fights meta-humans), and Legends who fight against Time Invaders.

I've thought about this as well, but I still believe a Superman show could be a distinctly different series than Supergirl. Supergirl is very much still the story of a young woman finding herself, while a Superman show could be about more of an adult with adult problems - he's married and settled down already with the whole world on his shoulders, looking to him for strength all the time. Tonally, it could be more mature - kind of like Angel was able to differentiate itself from Buffy, because instead of being centered around a teenage girl coming of age, it was focused on a 250-year-old vampire who had already seen and done a lot of ****. I'm not saying a Superman show would go as dark with that - lord knows we've gotten enough "dark Superman" in the movies, imo - but it just wouldn't be so "cutesy" with its tone because that tone's really more tailored to Kara's character. It could also focus more on the journalism side of things, Clark combating the darker sides of humanity with the power of the truth, etc. - that sort of thing. OR, it could also be a more "cosmic" show, since Superman has been shown to be the more global hero of the two right now, if they wanted to introduce the GL Corps and show Clark going "off-world" every now and then to deal with his more intergalactic enemies and allies, it could be quite interesting (and, admittedly, expensive). Either way, I could see a Superman show being a very different beast from Supergirl, despite their similar/shared worlds.

 

[John Locke]

You don't mention Arrow or LoT in there. Do you think they have a limited shelf life?

I don't think they have a limited shelf life just a shorter one than Supergirl and Flash. Neither have the acclaim or ratings as the other two.

 

[Dark Raven]

Did Supergirl do better in the ratings than Arrow last season?

 

[famicommander]

Did Supergirl do better in the ratings than Arrow last season?

In absolute terms, yes. Relative to their respective network averages, no.

 

[BH/HHH]

I've thought about this as well, but I still believe a Superman show could be a distinctly different series than Supergirl. Supergirl is very much still the story of a young woman finding herself, while a Superman show could be about more of an adult with adult problems - he's married and settled down already with the whole world on his shoulders, looking to him for strength all the time. Tonally, it could be more mature - kind of like Angel was able to differentiate itself from Buffy, because instead of being centered around a teenage girl coming of age, it was focused on a 250-year-old vampire who had already seen and done a lot of ****. I'm not saying a Superman show would go as dark with that - lord knows we've gotten enough "dark Superman" in the movies, imo - but it just wouldn't be so "cutesy" with its tone because that tone's really more tailored to Kara's character. It could also focus more on the journalism side of things, Clark combating the darker sides of humanity with the power of the truth, etc. - that sort of thing. OR, it could also be a more "cosmic" show, since Superman has been shown to be the more global hero of the two right now, if they wanted to introduce the GL Corps and show Clark going "off-world" every now and then to deal with his more intergalactic enemies and allies, it could be quite interesting (and, admittedly, expensive). Either way, I could see a Superman show being a very different beast from Supergirl, despite their similar/shared worlds.

You make excellent points there actually especially with the Angel and Buffy comparisons

 

[Dark Raven]

I asked this in the other thread but no-one answered. If we have Clark now, that means at some point we also need Martha. Who would you cast in her role? Someone who has been in the Superman live action universe before? Obviously not Annette O'Toole, but who else could play her?

Teri Hatcher? Margot Kidder? Someone else?

 

[BH/HHH]

I asked this in the other thread but no-one answered. If we have Clark now, that means at some point we also need Martha. Who would you cast in her role? Someone who has been in the Superman live action universe before? Obviously not Annette O'Toole, but who else could play her?

Teri Hatcher? Margot Kidder? Someone else?

It would be good to use some sort of stunt casting like they've done with the Danvers. Although I cant agree that we need her, she may have passed away in this universe afterall the Kents are often not alive when he's Superman.

 

[Slade W]

I don't think they have a limited shelf life just a shorter one than Supergirl and Flash. Neither have the acclaim or ratings as the other two.

Arrow in its early seasons received plenty of praise. Not many people thought that its quality would drop like it has back then. The same could easily happen to Supergirl and is already happening with the Flash. It is not like SG or Flash have hit higher heights than Arrow did in its early seasons.

 

[DigificWriter]

In the comics, the only time that Clark didn't have both of his parents alive prior to his becoming Superman was in the pre-Crisis continuity.

In the post-Crisis continuity, both of his parents survived and were frequent recurring characters in his adventures.

They're currently dead in the New 52/Rebirth continuity, but were also still alive at the time he became Superman.

 

[Kelly]

I asked this in the other thread but no-one answered. If we have Clark now, that means at some point we also need Martha. Who would you cast in her role? Someone who has been in the Superman live action universe before? Obviously not Annette O'Toole, but who else could play her?

Teri Hatcher? Margot Kidder? Someone else?

Let's try and keep the casting discussion in the casting discussion thread.....thank ya...

My thinking is, we don't need a Martha...not sure what that would add, considering Superman a guest, so to speak, not really necessary to bring in all the characters from his story.

 

[SuperAl]

i always thought a good way to do a superman show without copying supergirl is to do Legion of Super Heroes storyline

 

[Dark Raven]

It would be good to use some sort of stunt casting like they've done with the Danvers. Although I cant agree that we need her, she may have passed away in this universe afterall the Kents are often not alive when he's Superman.

Well traditionally at least Martha is alive, if not Jonathan.

I don't know how someone like Teri Hatcher would feel playing Clark's mother now.

Emily Proctor played Lana Lang in Lois and Clark. Don't know if she'd be far too hot for Martha though. Although she is looking older than in her CSI: Miami days now.

Let's try and keep the casting discussion in the casting discussion thread.....thank ya...

My thinking is, we don't need a Martha...not sure what that would add, considering Superman a guest, so to speak, not really necessary to bring in all the characters from his story.

Ok. Which thread is that?