Superman SPOILER Review Thread (NO TAGS NECESSARY)

I still can't get enough of the scene between Clark and Pa Kent. Everything about the music, dialogue, and acting just clicks for me.



It's probably one of the few scenes in Superman's entire franchise (Film, TV, Animated) that's actually gotten me to tear up a little.
 
Wow is that true? I had no idea lol.
I just assumed, but, according internet AI (aka "Brainiac).....

The term "brainiac" likely originated from the science fiction character Brainiac, a superintelligent villain in the Action Comics series. The name is a portmanteau of "brain" and "maniac," according to Merriam-Webster. While the character Brainiac debuted in 1958, the general use of "brainiac" to describe a superintelligent person didn't emerge until the 1970s.

So....yeah.....it's gotta be true. LOL
 
But Superman could have easily taken out those cameras far quicker with his heat vision while ducking hits from ultraman. Making it a far more uplifting moment. Didn't need the dog for that.

Oh didn't realise he said chum. Could have sworn it was chump. Either way that's awesome 😄
Not necessarily. Taking out the cameras would have required him to fight Ultraman and concentrate on nailing the camera. And Lex could instill countermeasures. Lex never accounted for Krypto.

Krypto allowed him to essentially be in two places at once.

Edit: plus a larger thematic theme was Alex manipulating and forcing people to cower to him out of fear. He had all of Superman’s moves figured out.

Superman convinced others to change their minds. Lex knew Superman couldn’t be in two places at once to save everyone but didn’t count on the Justice Gang helping him.
 
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Since I was sick when I went for my first screening on opening night, I couldn't take the film in quite like I wanted to.

I finally went in tonight fir my second viewing. I absolutely love this movie! 8.5 out of 10. It's not my favorite Superman film (I'm sorry, that honor still goes to Superman Returns), but it was a damn fun time all the way through. Some thoughts below...

- Corenswet is Superman! He may even be my favorite Superman to date, but it's tight. Whereas Reeve and Routh played the idealistic Superman figure and Cavill played the Godlike Superman, Corenswet was the one you'd most relate to. Definitely the most human of them all, as highlighted in his final speech to Luthor. Every second he was on screen he nailed it.

- Rachel was great as Lois. I liked her fiery tones with Superman, which was a nice change of pace from the head over heels dynamic we've seen in every other iteration. Her chemistry with Corenswet still blows my mind. I do wish we saw more of the reporter Lois than what we got, but hopefully the sequel leans into that side more.

- Hoult would have a special place in the Player Hater's Ball. He was spiteful and viciously evil in the most comic book way. Envious Lex is the best Lex. I'm curious to see how he gets out of prison. Hoult did feel a little hammy at times, but it worked well for this type of film.

- The Kents hit close to home for me. Very much reminded me of my wife's folks. I'm not sure how I feel about Ma's accent being so strong, but the actress was fine. Pruitt shined as Pa Kent. His speech to Clark was top notch and made me tear up. Inspired casting by Gunn that paid off.

- The rest of the cast was were all very good. The Justice Gang were used in the right amount and served their roles well. Fillion was the standout IMO. The DP staff was short changed though. I needed more Perry White. I hope they rectify that in the sequel. Jimmy was a solid comedic relief but not the goofy photographer I expected. The Engineer was fine.

- I thought the humour overall worked, but I would like to see a smidge less next time.

- The action was solid. I loved that Superman was thoughtful in everything that he did. That's how Superman should be. I do hope we get to see some better flying sequences though, not that any of them were bad here.

- The music was very good, with Williams' hitting just at the right moments.

- I did not like the Jor-El twist upon first viewing, but after a rewatch I'm convinced there's more to it and they'll be redeemed down the road.

- I felt like there was less "epic" moments in this movie, but more consistent Superman moments, if that makes sense.

- That final shot of Superman watching the Kents in the Fortress was the chef's kiss. I loved the ending, but at the same time it was a little jarring to see a Superman film end with a song instead of a score.

- I hated Supergirl calling Superman a *****. Felt unnecessary, speaking of which, I think the film had a tad too much cursing. Still excited for Supergirl though.

- I hated the monkey's. Sorry, it was just dumb.

- I had no problem with the pacing or structure of the film. Could there have been more time to breathe for certain scenes, sure, but the film never lost my interest.

- I need more Clark next time, along with more DP settings.

- Krypto was perfect! I never thought I'd say that two years ago.

I'm sure there's more I could say but it's 1AM and I'm exhausted.
 
To paraphrase the poet laureate Kendrick Lamar: Jor-El “ain’t a colleague, (he’s) a &@$;ing colonizer.”

I just re-watched, this time with my adoptive son. This film hits even harder when I watched it with him. In the end when Superman Robots comment about the video of his parents comforting him and then it’s the videos of the Kents…my 18 year old adopted son reached over and embraced me in the theater.

Thank you James Gunn for that special moment that meant the world to me.
 
To paraphrase the poet laureate Kendrick Lamar: Jor-El “ain’t a colleague, (he’s) a &@$;ing colonizer.”

I just re-watched, this time with my adoptive son. This film hits even harder when I watched it with him. In the end when Superman Robots comment about the video of his parents comforting him and then it’s the videos of the Kents…my 18 year old adopted son reached over and embraced me in the theater.

Thank you James Gunn for that special moment that meant the world to me.

I'm not crying...

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Unlike Henry's Superman, who was portrayed more as a loner at times, did you guys feel like David's Superman could easily become a founding member of the new JL later down the line?
Of course. He'd be so excited to make more friends lol. And the world clearly reveres him again, so the respect is there.
 
It was ViewerAnon who said it so yes it was true and yes it’s very obvious where the title cards were. I’m still annoyed the test audiences convinced them to remove that.

I'm glad they were removed. There's nothing about that I like.
 
Unlike Henry's Superman, who was portrayed more as a loner at times, did you guys feel like David's Superman could easily become a founding member of the new JL later down the line?

Yes, but he doesn't feel commanding or strong-willed enough to lead them. He needs to grow a backbone and step his game up. Hopefully, his confidence will grow after this movie.
 
Yes, but he doesn't feel commanding or strong-willed enough to lead them. He needs to grow a backbone and step his game up. Hopefully, his confidence will grow after this movie.

I respectfully disagree Vile. I thought Corenswet Supes spoke and led with authority (no pun intended) in the film.
 
I respectfully disagree Vile. I thought Corenswet Supes spoke and led with authority (no pun intended) in the film.
And he DEFINITELY had a backbone.

While being tortured to death, mind you:

"I remember him. And the smell of his p**s as we flew across the desert."

Hardest Supes line I've heard in a movie tbh. "Sorry, chum." Pure Golden Age, rough-and-tumble Supes. And note how as soon as The Engineer rejected his offered olive branch, he proceeded to spin her into the ground and use her as a glorified punching glove against Ultraman. He might be the most empathetic we've had, but don't mistake that empathy for weakness. This is totally the Supes who eats bullets when the CIA tries to assassinate "Clark Kent." :hehe:
 
I’ve been thinking a lot about the Jor-El and Lara Lor-Van twist. It’s one of the few things that bother me a bit about the film, but I think I need to see the whole movie again to fully form my opinion on it. I saw some posts about it being offensive and xenophobic towards immigrants and I can’t fault anyone for seeing it that way, even if I didn’t. I don’t ant to try and invalidate anyone’s feelings about that plot point because it certainly isn’t my place to do so, especially as a white, male, descendent of immigrants to the U.S. I’ve never had to flee a country for my safety (though as a vocally queer liberal, I’m thinking about fleeing this one right now). So I can’t speak to those experiences and all I can do is try to learn how immigrants and refugees feel and what they’re going through, particularly right now in this sadly hate-filled country.

And it is problematic if the message that the movie wants you to take away is that a refugee like Kal-El only turned out “good” because he was raised by a couple of white midwesterners who live in a (probably) red county. But I don’t think that’s what Gunn was saying here. In the moment with the Kents, I think a lot of that was Gunn’s own frequent messaging about found family and that “blood” means less than the people who are really there for you regardless if you are actually related to them.

The way I view those scenes are more that it’s Kal-El himself who is a good person and while his upbringing with the Kents certainly helped shape him, it’s also important that he was also motivated by what he thought was the overall message that his birth parents sent him, as well as other experiences there obviously wasn’t time to show. All of these things collectively helped him to determine the hero he was going to be. But also, I don’t think the movie was trying to say that Kal-El is “one of the good ones” as a***hole xenophobes would say, but instead that people simply shouldn’t be persecuted because of where they come from, regardless of what humans (in this case) might PERCEIVE about that place (which is usually fueled by disinformation).

But to dig deeper here; we don’t know if his birth parents are representative of Kryptonian society as a whole, and I hope we get some insight on this in Supergirl. I don’t want it to be a major plot point in that movie and it probably shouldn’t be, but since Kal-El has Kara to ask, maybe we’ll find out that her family left for Argo City for a reason. But if that’s true, then perhaps Kara doesn’t even know because she was only with them for the first years of her life. Anyway, I don’t want to see it retconned or instantly negated the way Marvel has annoyingly done immediately with some important plot points (Thor you don’t need a weapon! The power is within you! But yeah, go build yourself a big axe because that’s something you’ll need to kill Thanos! Oh and regrow your eye in between movies.).

But anyway though, Superman is both an immigrant story and sci-fi story, and I took the message from Jor and Lara to lean more into the sci-fi side. I’m thinking that Krypton (or at least the area of Krypton they hail from-Kandor I suppose) is very much the cold, analytical society of the Byrne version. We’re talking about a technologically advanced planet thousands of light years away that we know very little about at this point. Perhaps they had a change of heart after they sent Kal-El off, or maybe Gunn could do some sort of time dilation thing where Kal could get a message to them in the past and learn more about their motivations and/or show them that they were being as xenophobic towards humans as some humans would be to them. Maybe Jor-El in this version created Brainiac (with the best of intentions originally) and the rogue AI corrupted the message (or actually corrupted Jor and Lara somehow) in a way that no one would ever be able to tell. Admittedly that would feel like a cop out but I want to see Brainy so badly at this point that I’ll take it.

But on the immigrant story side, I think what Gunn also was trying to show here is that xenophobes tend to point to problematic stuff in the history of cultures they fear as justification for their xenophobia. Republicans do it with Latino people and Middle-Eastern Muslims constantly, as if people fleeing El Salvador are all members of drug cartels and people fleeing Gaza all support what Hamas did on Oct. 7. Similarly, Luthor uses Jor’s and Lara’s message to tell the public, “See! They’re all evil and he must be too!” When in actuality, we don’t even know the full context of the message and if Jor and Lara had more to say or if they ultimately changed their minds. Granted, what they said was BAD and it would be hard to rationalize it but you can’t condemn an entire culture based on a five-minute message from two people. And even if their ideals are indicative of Krytonian society in general (or the Kryptonian ruling class), there are always people who disagree. many Palestinians don’t support Hamas. Many Israelis don’t support Netanyahu. It will be interesting to see where Argo City falls into all of this.

Anyway, that’s just my uninformed take. If that plot point upset you and if it ruined the experience as a whole, I’m sorry. But my hope is that the overall positive response the movie has gotten is that its themes of hope, kindness and acceptance are resonating with people. For me at least, this is the first Superman movie that’s come out in my lifetime that actually inspired me and I desperately want to see more. I want to see THIS Superman lead the Justice League and inspire the people. And I think we’re going to get it, finally.
 
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When they were fighting the Kaiju the Gang refused to listen to him and just did what they wanted.

I see your point but that is pretty early on in the movie and by the end, they seem to have come around more to his line of thinking (well, maybe not Hawkgirl completely lol).
 
I’ve been thinking a lot about the Joe-El and Lara Lor-Van twist. It’s one of the few things that bother me a bit about the film, but I think I need to see the whole movie again to fully form my opinion on it. I saw some posts about it being offensive and xenophobic towards immigrants and I can’t fault anyone for seeing it that way, even if I didn’t. I don’t ant to try and invalidate anyone’s feelings about that plot point because it certainly isn’t my place to do so, especially as a white, male, descendent of immigrants to the U.S. I’ve never had to flee a country for my safety (though as a vocally queer liberal, I’m thinking about fleeing this one right now). So I can’t speak to those experiences and all I can do is try to learn how immigrants and refugees feel and what they’re going through, particularly right now in this sadly hate-filled country.

And it is problematic if the message that the movie wants you to take away is that a refugee like Kal-El only turned out “good” because he was raised by a couple of white midwesterners who live in a (probably) red county. But I don’t think that’s what Gunn was saying here. In the moment with the Kents, I think a lot of that was Gunn’s own frequent messaging about found family and that “blood” means less than the people who are really there for you regardless if you are actually related to them.

The way I view those scenes are more that it’s Kal-El himself who is a good person and while his upbringing with the Kents certainly helped shape him, it’s also important that he was also motivated by what he thought was the overall message that his birth parents sent him, as well as other experiences there obviously wasn’t time to show. All of these things collectively helped him to determine the hero he was going to be. But also, I don’t think the movie was trying to say that Kal-El is “one of the good ones” as a***hole xenophobes would say, but instead that people simply shouldn’t be persecuted because of where they come from, regardless of what humans (in this case) might PERCEIVE about that place (which is usually fueled by disinformation).

But to dig deeper here; we don’t know if his birth parents are representative of Kryptonian society as a whole, and I hope we get some insight on this in Supergirl. I don’t want it to be a major plot point in that movie and it probably shouldn’t be, but since Kal-El has Kara to ask, maybe we’ll find out that her family left for Argo City for a reason. But if that’s true, then perhaps Kara doesn’t even know because she was only with them for the first years of her life. Anyway, I don’t want to see it retconned or instantly negated the way Marvel has annoyingly done immediately with some important plot points (Thor you don’t need a weapon! The power is within you! But yeah, go build yourself a big axe because that’s something you’ll need to kill Thanos! Oh and regrow your eye in between movies.).

But anyway though, Superman is both an immigrant story and sci-fi story, and I took the message from Jor and Lara to lean more into the sci-fi side. I’m thinking that Krypton (or at least the area of Krypton they hail from-Kandor I suppose) is very much the cold, analytical society of the Byrne version. We’re talking about a technologically advanced planet thousands of light years away that we know very little about at this point. Perhaps they had a change of heart after they sent Kal-El off, or maybe Gunn could do some sort of time dilation thing where Kal could get a message to them in the past and learn more about their motivations and/or show them that they were being as xenophobic towards humans as some humans would be to them. Maybe Jor-El in this version created Brainiac (with the best of intentions originally) and the rogue AI corrupted the message (or actually corrupted Jor and Lara somehow) in a way that no one would ever be able to tell. Admittedly that would feel like a cop out but I want to see Brainy so badly at this point that I’ll take it.

But on the immigrant story side, I think what Gunn also was trying to show here is that xenophobes tend to point to problematic stuff in the history of cultures they fear as justification for their xenophobia. Republicans do it with Latino people and Middle-Eastern Muslims constantly, as if people fleeing El Salvador are all members of drug cartels and people fleeing Gaza all support what Hamas did on Oct. 7. Similarly, Luthor uses Jor’s and Lara’s message to tell the public, “See! They’re all evil and he must be too!” When in actuality, we don’t even know the full context of the message and if Jor and Lara had more to say or if they ultimately changed their minds. Granted, what they said was BAD and it would be hard to rationalize it but you can’t condemn an entire culture based on a five-minute message from two people. And even if their ideals are indicative of Krytonian society in general (or the Kryptonian ruling class), there are always people who disagree. many Palestinians don’t support Hamas. Many Israelis don’t support Netanyahu. It will be interesting to see where Argo City falls into all of this.

Anyway, that’s just my uninformed take. If that plot point upset you and if it ruined the experience as a whole, I’m sorry. But my hope is that the overall positive response the movie has gotten is that its themes of hope, kindness and acceptance are resonating with people. For me at least, this is the first Superman movie that’s come out in my lifetime that actually inspired me and I desperately want to see more. I want to see THIS Superman lead the Justice League and inspire the people. And I think we’re going to get it, finally.
Great post :flex:
 
Objectively, 7/10 popcorn film. I liked it.

It had a lot of the elements needed for 4-quadrant appeal (good cast, romance, action, comedy).

Most of my friends who don't care for these films were lost by the middle section of the story; the minecraft pixel river and the green mutant baby. Most of that stuff appealed to the initiated (comicbook fans) and perhaps kids.

The movie needed more scenes like the Clark and Lois interview scene. That was probably the highlight.

Many of the comedic beats undercut the dramatic scenes. Especially that final confrontation between Superman and Luthor, when Krypto crashed the tension.

It was very Marvel first 10 years, which I say in a complementary fashion. Zaslav, Gunn and the rest did a good Marvel Studios film here better than the current regime at Disney can accomplish.


It wasn't as appealing as Ironman (2008) with RDJ's electric charisma that stole every scene, but it's WB/DC's best start at a universe that they've ever had after three failed attempts.

They have something to work with here, for once. Now is the time when they need to make some good business and creative decisions about where to go next.
 

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