Superman Returns Superman's Posey Talks Kitty

[Superman79]

Well, I am not shocked in the slightest. Nor am I disappointed. Lex's interplay with Tessmacher and Otis in STM was one of the highlights of the film for me.

This is Superman. This isn't Batman or X-men or even angsty Spidey. Superman needs humor to work. It needs a sense of itself. One thing even Spidey was sorely missing was the humor. Peter's wisecracks were something I was greatly looking forward to, and I was disappointed in that regard.

Donner married the epic and the humor together in a perfect way. For those who want the completely serious, completely humorless take on Superman, I hope you will be disappointed. For Christ's sake, even STAS had Lex surrounded by idiots. Justice League had him surrounded by Grundy, Sapphire, etc, and the wisecracks were coming a mile a minute. Lex works best when he has a counterpoint for his darkness. I posit that he needs that juxtaposition to really shine. In STM, Lex's nonchalance and friendly attitude underscored his menace quite well.

Amen Matches...there needs ot be some humor in there, otherwise it won't work...

as to the earlier comment about Van Wilder's assistant...

(Said in an INdian accent) "I would very much like to be your assistant Mr. LEx Luthor sir."

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Well, I am not shocked in the slightest. Nor am I disappointed. Lex's interplay with Tessmacher and Otis in STM was one of the highlights of the film for me.

This is Superman. This isn't Batman or X-men or even angsty Spidey. Superman needs humor to work. It needs a sense of itself. One thing even Spidey was sorely missing was the humor. Peter's wisecracks were something I was greatly looking forward to, and I was disappointed in that regard.

Donner married the epic and the humor together in a perfect way. For those who want the completely serious, completely humorless take on Superman, I hope you will be disappointed. For Christ's sake, even STAS had Lex surrounded by idiots. Justice League had him surrounded by Grundy, Sapphire, etc, and the wisecracks were coming a mile a minute. Lex works best when he has a counterpoint for his darkness. I posit that he needs that juxtaposition to really shine. In STM, Lex's nonchalance and friendly attitude underscored his menace quite well.

Co-signed

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

What's ridiculous is, if there were no COMIC book type humor... People would be complaining the movie is trying to take itself to serious.

I look back at The Flash tv series or Lois and Clark... Some people call those shows campy, I call them good superhero adaptions. You can certainly go to far with camp as a whole, but it's not going to be a bad thing to have a good balance of humor. I think we'd get bored to tears if it took itself overly serious.

I stand by this.

 

[The Sage]

I really cant help thinking about the fact that Singer is copying too much Superman the movie. And the fact that Lex Luthor is a wasted opportunity. We could`ve gotten somethings that are more in tune with the comics wich is the best version of Luthor, not that crap that was in the movies and pre-crisis. We could`ve gotten Luthor as a billionaire tycoon, instead we got a mob boss. We could`ve gotten Mercy and instead we got Ms Techmacher number 2. This part of the movie still worries me a lot.
Luthor and his gang in Superman Returns might be more realistic and more serious than Superman the movie but still not the version i`d love to see translated to the movies.

Contradict yourself I believe you have. You say comics has the best version of Luthor, then say pre-crisis is crap when pre-crisis is a comicbook era.

We could have gotten Luthor as a billionnaire tycoon, and chances are he would've ended up being considered a generic "Mr. Boss" villain like the Kingpin in Daredevil.

If you do the tycoon you have to mix the criminal mind/genius in to make Luthor unique. Although Spacey's Lex seems to be more towards the criminal mind than the tycoon mind, I think they've got the blend. I mean come on, the guys have said that Lex is a xenophobe. That's a straight post-crisis Lex Luthor definition of him.

 

[The Sage]

How can a character be named Kitty Kowolski and NOT be campy.

The same way a character called Doc Ock can make it on screen and not come across as campy, due to Alfred Molina's portrayal as a sinister mind-controlled psychopath. The same way a character called Hulk can work on film and not come across as campy due to the tone of the story. The same way a character called Batman can work on screen and not come across campy.

Need I say more?

 

[Metropolis_Man]

The same way a character called Doc Ock can make it on screen and not come across as campy, due to Alfred Molina's portrayal as a sinister mind-controlled psychopath. The same way a character called Hulk can work on film and not come across as campy due to the tone of the story. The same way a character called Batman can work on screen and not come across campy.

Need I say more?

I think you've said a mouthful and a half there. Very good work.

 

[skruloos]

If you stopped being so high and mighty for a minute you would see that I didnt defend her or her character, rather said its far smarter to wait and see the actual film to complain about characters.

That would imply having to withhold judgment until one sees evidence and facts. Only "brainwashed" people do that.

Its a film based on a comic book... naming characters will stick with the same old rules.

What rules? I don't know of any rules like that. I mean, let's look at some comic characters. Lois Lane? Lori Lemaris? Lex Luthor? Bruce Banner? Peter Parker? Matt Murdock? I don't see a pattern there at all.

Kal is an ACTOR. I guess because you have only seen him in 'funny'roles that means he is stuck doing that for the rest of time?

Kind of makes it inconvenient for people like Tom Hanks, Robin Williams, Jim Carrey, and Will Smith doesn't it?

I never said you were stupid I said your comments were. Big difference. There is always middle ground. There will be people who love this film, there will be people who hate it and there will be people who are stuck in the middle.

Sshh. You'll fracture the facade of the black and white world he lives in.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Yeah, you guys are totally men... just dont send the GAM mafia after me

What did you say?!?

*take a baseball bat & whack the back of Mentok's head*

Never, ever expose some people's secret publicy here if you know what good for you.

And btw, I'm not worry right now about Kitty in SR. We have to wait & see the entire thing for ourself before we start being closed-minded, biting our nails, whining about it, etc.

 

[skruloos]

Well, I am not shocked in the slightest. Nor am I disappointed. Lex's interplay with Tessmacher and Otis in STM was one of the highlights of the film for me.

This is Superman. This isn't Batman or X-men or even angsty Spidey. Superman needs humor to work. It needs a sense of itself. One thing even Spidey was sorely missing was the humor. Peter's wisecracks were something I was greatly looking forward to, and I was disappointed in that regard.

Donner married the epic and the humor together in a perfect way. For those who want the completely serious, completely humorless take on Superman, I hope you will be disappointed. For Christ's sake, even STAS had Lex surrounded by idiots. Justice League had him surrounded by Grundy, Sapphire, etc, and the wisecracks were coming a mile a minute. Lex works best when he has a counterpoint for his darkness. I posit that he needs that juxtaposition to really shine. In STM, Lex's nonchalance and friendly attitude underscored his menace quite well.

I agree with all of the above points. I'm expecting cheesy from this movie. I always have. I liked that Spider-man wasn't afraid to be melodramatic and cheesy and I only wish there could have been more humor in them since Raimi decided to dwell a bit too much on Peter's angst. I thought it was fine though. It really made me care about Peter. I just wish that I could care about Spider-man the same way.

I hope that Singer learns from Raimi's mistake. I want everything that Spider-man did and turn it up to eleven. I want high action, a lot of cheesy humor, and good drama.

 

[David33]

Oh great, another Teschmacher...

****.

Yeah,Singer is pathetic,he is just copying step by step Donners Superman.
Another stupid,campy character as Teschmacher was. .

 

[dark_b]

Yeah,Singer is pathetic,he is just copying step by step Donners Superman.
Another stupid,campy character as Teschmacher was. .

i agree with this words. nothin more.

 

[Retroman]

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=35285

Superman's Posey Talks Kitty

Parker Posey, who will star opposite Kevin Spacey in Bryan Singer's upcoming Superman Returns, told SCI FI Wire her role as Lex Luthor's girlfriend builds on a similar character in Richard Donner's original Superman movie. At a party for her latest film, Adam & Steve, Posey said in an interview that she gets to wear stylish clothes and carry a Pomeranian pup through most of her Superman scenes as Kitty Kowalski, girlfriend to Spacey's Lex Luthor.

The role is similar to the part of Eve Teschmacher in Donner's movie. "I'm in the Valerie Perrine part from the original movie," Posey said. "She is ... the girlfriend of Lex, and of course, he wants to take over the world."

But the character is less evil than one would expect, Posey said. "He wants to destroy the world, and she doesn't want to," she said. "She [has] much more conscience about the world around her. She is into pretty things and money, but Kitty has a heart. And, yes, she has a change of heart. ... She is torn between materialism and love, but Kitty kind of wakes up. It's cool." Superman Returns opens June 30. —Mike Szymanski

Thanks Showtime. I must say thats one of the most creative titles i've seen in while.

I'm slightly (just ever so slught worried) about this. Parker Posey has gone from possibly being Mercy Graves (when we had no idea who she was) to reincarnation of Miss Teschmacher.

 

[scifiwolf]

You are protected, and of course if you want it, you are more than qualified.

Thanks...I appreciate it, but I think of myself more as a god among insects...

 

[MatchesMalone]

I agree with all of the above points. I'm expecting cheesy from this movie. I always have. I liked that Spider-man wasn't afraid to be melodramatic and cheesy and I only wish there could have been more humor in them since Raimi decided to dwell a bit too much on Peter's angst. I thought it was fine though. It really made me care about Peter. I just wish that I could care about Spider-man the same way.

I hope that Singer learns from Raimi's mistake. I want everything that Spider-man did and turn it up to eleven. I want high action, a lot of cheesy humor, and good drama.

While I wouldn't categorize it as cheese (good humor is good humor), I think the resistance here is to any humor at all with the villain. Which is simply, to me, immature teenage thinking. They want their villain to be colored in a big black line that says EVIL or CONFLICTED. No sense of humor at all.

I think we will be getting both sides. We will be getting the humor as well as the evil. But you need both for this type of story. A Superman movie devoid of humor and a bit of "cheese" would probably be a disaster.

It's the same old problem: let the fanboys make the movie, and you will get about an hour and a half of Superman punching things, a half hour of Superman punching Lex in a green and purple battlesuit (and these same people think Ms. Tessmacher was campy), and about 2 minutes of actual storytelling.

And I say that not in disdain, but in despair; because I'm a fanboy too, and that is what I would be too tempted to make if I had that much money to throw at Superman.

 

[Bad Superman]

Oh great, another Teschmacher...

****.

My thoughts exactly. Still, I hope it doesn't turn into a cheese fest. . .

 

[MatchesMalone]

My thoughts exactly. Still, I hope it doesn't turn into a cheese fest. . .

Why?

 

[MatchesMalone]

My question to all of you: and I really hope you examine the question honestly and not simply spout the usual drivel.

Go back and watch STM, and then pop in any STAS episode or Justice League episode. I want you to note the "cheese" factor in both. They are very, very comparable. I want you all to examine your feelings about "cheese": define it, and describe why you feel it is a bad thing. Did you hate Spider-man? Did you not enjoy the Joker in BTAS? Did you hate Jack Nicholson hamming it up in Batman '89? Just....be honest.

 

[Bad Superman]

Why?

Because high cholesterol food is bad for your heart. . .

 

[MatchesMalone]

Because high cholesterol food is bad for your heart. . .

Simple question, sarcastic non-answer. You all seem to know what is wrong with something until you are asked to explain it.

 

[Bad Superman]

Simple question, sarcastic non-answer. You all seem to know what is wrong with something until you are asked to explain it.

I did not claim "to know what is wrong". I just made a simple comment.

 

[MatchesMalone]

I did not claim "to know what is wrong". I just made a simple comment.

And I asked a specific question in response: why do you think cheese is bad in the context of a Superman story?

See, it's called discussion, man. Questions, answers, etc.

 

[Cinemaman]

I cant say something about this. Sorry guys, but I can say that it isn't good idea. I thought there will be strong dramatic storyline between Lex and Kitty.

 

[MatchesMalone]

You know what I think? I think people who won't embrace the cheesy aspects of any super-hero story are simply, at some level, self-conscious about liking super-heroes. They are afraid to admit they own all 4 seasons of Smallville on DVD. They take care to hide what they buy from their comic book store friends, always putting a Vertigo title on top. They are simply, at some varying level, afraid of what others will think of their like for super-heroes. Therefore, they have a desire for the super-heroes to be "as serious as possible" so that they can get validation that this is adult subject matter and should be taken seriously. Guess what, folks. These are children's stories. These are fairy tales. But guess what else: so was Alice in Wonderland. So was Narnia. Have your cheese and enjoy this aspect of comics for what it is.

 

[MatchesMalone]

I cant say something about this. Sorry guys, but I can say that it isn't good idea. I thought there will be strong dramatic storyline between Lex and Kitty.

And here I thought there would be a strong, dramatic storyline between Lex and Superman.

 

[dark_b]

My question to all of you: and I really hope you examine the question honestly and not simply spout the usual drivel.

Go back and watch STM, and then pop in any STAS episode or Justice League episode. I want you to note the "cheese" factor in both. They are very, very comparable. I want you all to examine your feelings about "cheese": define it, and describe why you feel it is a bad thing. Did you hate Spider-man? Did you not enjoy the Joker in BTAS? Did you hate Jack Nicholson hamming it up in Batman '89? Just....be honest.

first cartoon dont count since they are for kids. yeah i said it: cartoons are for kids .
i didnt like the cheeze factor in spiderman .it didnt ruin the movie for me but it would be better without it. of course there will always be humor in this kind of movies since they are also for kids. you just need find a balance between all this stuff.

if SR is like spiderman it would be perfect. singer said it will be a mix between spiderman and x-men. of course this was a lye for me sice kitty will be the main humore in this movie and this humor is bigger than x-men and spiderman together. so it will not be like this. i still hope i am wrong and it will be a mix between SM and x-men.

if singer has balls than we will se how lex punches kitty in teh face. or he pushes her to the ground.