Superman Returns Superman's Posey Talks Kitty

[MatchesMalone]

Oh please, you dream of the days when you misquote BT and pass it off as fact until I prove your lies?

BT? To what are you referring?

What is there to debate? Post crisis is boring? Routh is as big as Reeve? You don't like angst except when Singer does it?

If you wanted to debate, yes. It seems you simply want to shout your opinions at the top of your lungs, deride others, and then leave again when you have nothing bad left to say. In internet vernacular, you are a troll.

Post crisis sales were higher than pre so I guess it wasn't that boring.

Sales has everything to do with my opinion of Post-Crisis comics. I wasn't aware I was being subconsciously manipulated that way.

Routh is wearing a padded suit, so I guess if he looks the same size as Reeve he cannot possibly be, because Reeve wore a tissue thin leotard.

I admitted I was incorrect about the padding long ago. And I only care about one thing - what he looks like on-screen. On-screen, he looks the same size as Reeve did in STM.

When DC writes angst it's Peter Parker crap, and when Singer writes it, it's the Odyssey? Your position is so baseless on the last one it invalidates your opinion completely, but hey whatever floats your boat.

Invalidates my opinion? Based on your statement? I think not. When you learn what reasoned debate is, come back to this.

Superman returning from a journey to find the world changed, and his life's love changed with it, is not angst in the sense that it is derogatory. It is in fact what true angst is, in the original existentialist meaning - "fear of the unknown future". Read Keirkegaard for true angst. It is a tale that references Odysseus's struggle to return to his past life, where his wife waits for him - so he thinks. He has not changed, and he struggles through test after test after test in a changing world only to return to his wife taking on suitors. Sounds similar, doesn't it?

Another way of looking at it is a Promethean myth. What if Prometheus brought fire to the humans, only to take it away?

I wanted to see if there were any new developments in SR , and I find that KK is ET, Luthor is out to destroy the world, and (most of) the rest of you are having a nice little circle jerk about how awesome the movie is going to be before you even see it.

I haven't missed out on much.

It feels good to be the vocal minority, doesn't it?

 

[green]

Well since this thread has kinda evolved from being a "Kitty" thread I thought Id stick this here.

Hmm not sure if its been posted yet.

http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php
Inside issue #336 of Starburst Magazine (available now) you'll find a "Superman Returns" Set Visit report, including an interview with Kevin Spacey on playing Lex Luthor.

Direct from Australia, stage and screen star Kevin Spacey reveals what it's like to play a legendary villain - Superman's arch-nemesis Lex Luthor - in this Summer's hottest movie!

Here's an excerpt from the interview with Kevin Spacey...

Everyone in the cast is under pressure to match the performances of their characters' previous incarnations. Spacey, however, watched Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor for different reasons. "I watched the other actors but not with any sense of wanting to reference them because the Lex I portray is a very different Lex Luthor. This is a very bitter Lex, a very angry Lex, a Lex out for revenge. There's still humor, but it's not the same."
Spacey obviously had fun portraying the twisted genius, "Well he's just one of those iconic parts. Not just from the previous movies but all the way back to the original comic books. He's one of those great evil characters that you just love to hate."

 

[Mentok]

NIce Spacey rocks.

 

[Scooter]

"I watched the other actors but not with any sense of wanting to reference them because the Lex I portray is a very different Lex Luthor. This is a very bitter Lex, a very angry Lex, a Lex out for revenge. There's still humor..."

Ray of sunshine? Hmmm...

 

[Oldguy]

...I admitted I was incorrect about the padding long ago. And I only care about one thing - what he looks like on-screen. On-screen, he looks the same size as Reeve did in STM.

Was that really what you were trying to communicate?

This guy is definitely just as big as Reeve was in STM and SII.

Sounded like revisionist history to me.

Anyhoo, it's dinner time so I''l bid you all farewell until next time.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Was that really what you were trying to communicate?

Absolutely. In that pic, he looks as big as Reeve. That is all. I was expressing my appreciation for Routh in that pic. Hey, I am not without my criticisms of Routh's appearance. His feet are like giant oars. But in that pic and most others (and ESPECIALLY in the Showest pre-awards footage), Routh looks very large.

Sounded like revisionist history to me.

Anyhoo, it's dinner time so I''l bid you all farewell until next time.

The unknowns are there as well. We know that padding was removed for some flight shots. We know that the undersuit is very thin, and is used not to add bulk, but to maintain definition. That is straight from the costume designer's mouth.

 

[Matt]

No one will be eating anything, man. Being defensive of Superman is a quality trait that I enjoy in people. As much as I rag on Smallville it still hurts because I've loved Superman since the age of three. Anytime I see, hear, or read anything that I feel doesn't do him justice (in my eyes, anyway) then it really hits home for me. If SR sucks I'm going to be very depressed. If it rocks, then the party starts here.

Amen

 

[Scooter]

The unknowns are there as well. We know that padding was removed for some flight shots. We know that the undersuit is very thin, and is used not to add bulk, but to maintain definition. That is straight from the costume designer's mouth.

Well, it pretty much has too add some bulk, simply by being there...

 

[MatchesMalone]

Well, it pretty much has too add some bulk, simply by being there...

When you wear a shirt under a dress shirt, does it appreciably increase the appearance of your muscle mass?

 

[Nightwing1977]

Well, it pretty much has too add some bulk, simply by being there...

Uh....no it doesn't. It wasn't bulk. It was muscles definitions. They are 2 different things. Bulk is to look massive big, while the muscles definitions is to show muscles skins. Just like Spider-Man.

 

[Scooter]

When you wear a shirt under a dress shirt, does it appreciably increase the appearance of your muscle mass?

Key word appreciably...but you knew that.

That being said, I'd be willing to bet that Routh's "undersuit" is a bit thicker and denser than your average cotton t-shirt - otherwise, what's the point?



BTW, I think it looks fine.

 

[KaptainKrypton]

The question I have is as to whether or not that 250 lb mark stated in Wizard was actually true or not. If it is, I wouldn't be surprised. In a few of the shots of Routh, he looks like a freaking monster. In some of the others, not so much.

 

[Scooter]

Uh....no it doesn't. It wasn't bulk. It was muscles definitions. They are 2 different things. Bulk is to look massive big, while the muscles definitions is to show muscles skins. Just like Spider-Man.

Bulk is a term used to describe size or dimension; a "bulk-y" person is generally going to be pretty big. Definition is used to describe a certain amount of body fat covering somebody's muscle; a "defined" person usually has readily apparent muscle-striations - which comes from having a relatively small amount of body fat.

You'll note my use of the phrase "some bulk." In that instance, it was clearly safe to assume that "some" was more in-line with 'little' than it was 'a lot' (at which point we venture into 'bulky,' which I have already gone to the trouble of distinguishing from simply 'bulk').

Now, back to your main point ("Uh...no it doesn't"). Well, if we are to assume that it exists at all - which we will, because it does - then we must also assume that it has some dimension, i.e., it's a 3-dimensional object. In this case, said object's thickness is our chief concern, whether that dimension be large or small. Even if it were to have an nigh-immeasureably small measurement of thickness (for arguments sake, let's say it's a quarter-inch thick) it would add a corresponding amount of bulk to Routh's frame, simply because it is being applied over his existing body.

Now, it could be that the nototrious muscle suit is exceptionally thin. However, even a sheet of paper placed on top of a desk adds "some bulk" to said desk.

That's really the only point I was trying to make.

 

[Scooter]

The question I have is as to whether or not that 250 lb mark stated in Wizard was actually true or not. If it is, I wouldn't be surprised. In a few of the shots of Routh, he looks like a freaking monster. In some of the others, not so much.

Assuming he's actually, 6'2", 6'3" (I doubt he's actually 6'4"), then I wouldn't be surprised if he were a least close.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I think that she was referring to the dynamic of the character being the same as Miss T in her relationship with Lex,the execution of the character by both Singer and Posey may be very different even though from shots she seems to have the same eccentricity

 

[IKnowSomeJudo]

I admitted I was incorrect about the padding long ago. And I only care about one thing - what he looks like on-screen. On-screen, he looks the same size as Reeve did in STM.

And that is all that truly matters - the final product as seen on screen. Bottom line is, Reeve couldn't really fly or bench press Pisa tower, and neither can Routh. So when it comes down to it, it's all fake, it's all movie trickery. As long as both actors look good on screen, it's irrelevant which of the two has bigger muscles/neck/penis in real life.

 

[dark_b]

And that is all that truly matters - the final product as seen on screen. Bottom line is, Reeve couldn't really fly or bench press Pisa tower, and neither can Routh. So when it comes down to it, it's all fake, it's all movie trickery. As long as both actors look good on screen, it's irrelevant which of the two has bigger muscles/neck/penis in real life.

you have a point

 

[DavidTyler]

I don't care about the muscle suit ... never did. I grew up watching reruns of George Reeves in a very obvious muscle suit.

I don't consider wanting a replica of the Chris Reeve suit to be a rehash of the first movie because the suit from that film WAS the comics suit. It wasn't an invention of the film maker. Singer's suit strays from the comics a little while the Donner suit strayed not at all.

As to the originality of this new film. It remains to be seen. (by the rest of you. I'll find out when I read here whether the film is worth my time).

What I didn't want was a rehash of the basic plot and some of the character interpretations.

Is Singer doing a rehash of STM? Don't know. Again, I don't know. I'll have to wait and see what you all say after it opens. If he is, I'll be giving it a huge pass.

I really didn't want the Donner interpretation of any of the characters. I don't want nerd Clark. I don't want a nerdy Jimmy. I don't want the comedic or 1950's version of Lex (I love corporate anti-christ Lex from the comics. Thank you Marv Wolfman.). I don't want a revisit from Otis or Miss Teschmacher.

I also didn't want to revisit Donner's Krypton. I didn't like it when I was a kid and I like it even less now. It was just completely illogical.

To answer someone's response to my earlier post (I'm not going to go back and see who it was), Having Kitty more of a 'Mercy' than a 'Miss Teschmacher' makes Luthor a more powerful appearing villain because we see him on screen in an alpha position to a subordinate everytime she's on screen. And the fact that Mercy is strong and a physical match for any male (of course, short of Supes) she faces down and Lex is in command of her... makes him look that much more powerful.

Having Kitty just his girlfriend somehow makes him softer and less threatening simply because it shows that he's not a cold, uncaring person. How could he be? He's got a girlfriend. Even the lousiest boyfriend must have some kind of warmth to get the girl in the first place. Cold, calculating Lex wouldn't have one. He would use women and throw them away.

So, if Kitty is Miss Teschmacher, well.... one more nail in the coffin.

 

[MatchesMalone]

I don't care about the muscle suit ... never did. I grew up watching reruns of George Reeves in a very obvious muscle suit.

I don't consider wanting a replica of the Chris Reeve suit to be a rehash of the first movie because the suit from that film WAS the comics suit. It wasn't an invention of the film maker. Singer's suit strays from the comics a little while the Donner suit strayed not at all.

As to the originality of this new film. It remains to be seen. (by the rest of you. I'll find out when I read here whether the film is worth my time).

What I didn't want was a rehash of the basic plot and some of the character interpretations.

Is Singer doing a rehash of STM? Don't know. Again, I don't know. I'll have to wait and see what you all say after it opens. If he is, I'll be giving it a huge pass.

I really didn't want the Donner interpretation of any of the characters. I don't want nerd Clark. I don't want a nerdy Jimmy. I don't want the comedic or 1950's version of Lex (I love corporate anti-christ Lex from the comics. Thank you Marv Wolfman.). I don't want a revisit from Otis or Miss Teschmacher.

I also didn't want to revisit Donner's Krypton. I didn't like it when I was a kid and I like it even less now. It was just completely illogical.

To answer someone's response to my earlier post (I'm not going to go back and see who it was), Having Kitty more of a 'Mercy' than a 'Miss Teschmacher' makes Luthor a more powerful appearing villain because we see him on screen in an alpha position to a subordinate everytime she's on screen. And the fact that Mercy is strong and a physical match for any male (of course, short of Supes) she faces down and Lex is in command of her... makes him look that much more powerful.

Having Kitty just his girlfriend somehow makes him softer and less threatening simply because it shows that he's not a cold, uncaring person. How could he be? He's got a girlfriend. Even the lousiest boyfriend must have some kind of warmth to get the girl in the first place. Cold, calculating Lex wouldn't have one. He would use women and throw them away.

So, if Kitty is Miss Teschmacher, well.... one more nail in the coffin.

Well said.

I'd agree with you, except I don't. Donner Universe is exactly what I wanted, from the first second I heard about this production.

Post-Crisis sucks.

 

[dpm07]

I don't care about the muscle suit ... never did. I grew up watching reruns of George Reeves in a very obvious muscle suit.

I don't consider wanting a replica of the Chris Reeve suit to be a rehash of the first movie because the suit from that film WAS the comics suit. It wasn't an invention of the film maker. Singer's suit strays from the comics a little while the Donner suit strayed not at all.

As to the originality of this new film. It remains to be seen. (by the rest of you. I'll find out when I read here whether the film is worth my time).

What I didn't want was a rehash of the basic plot and some of the character interpretations.

Is Singer doing a rehash of STM? Don't know. Again, I don't know. I'll have to wait and see what you all say after it opens. If he is, I'll be giving it a huge pass.

I really didn't want the Donner interpretation of any of the characters. I don't want nerd Clark. I don't want a nerdy Jimmy. I don't want the comedic or 1950's version of Lex (I love corporate anti-christ Lex from the comics. Thank you Marv Wolfman.). I don't want a revisit from Otis or Miss Teschmacher.

I also didn't want to revisit Donner's Krypton. I didn't like it when I was a kid and I like it even less now. It was just completely illogical.

To answer someone's response to my earlier post (I'm not going to go back and see who it was), Having Kitty more of a 'Mercy' than a 'Miss Teschmacher' makes Luthor a more powerful appearing villain because we see him on screen in an alpha position to a subordinate everytime she's on screen. And the fact that Mercy is strong and a physical match for any male (of course, short of Supes) she faces down and Lex is in command of her... makes him look that much more powerful.

Having Kitty just his girlfriend somehow makes him softer and less threatening simply because it shows that he's not a cold, uncaring person. How could he be? He's got a girlfriend. Even the lousiest boyfriend must have some kind of warmth to get the girl in the first place. Cold, calculating Lex wouldn't have one. He would use women and throw them away.

So, if Kitty is Miss Teschmacher, well.... one more nail in the coffin.

I agree with you. I would have preferred Parker taking on a more Mercy approach and less of a Miss Teschmacher.

While I can appreciate Donner's film and the impact it had, I would have preferred a new movie with less of a connection to the original films.

I can also appreciate Pre-Crisis for certain elements, but overall I am a much bigger fan of the Post-Crisis Superman. Neither Pre-Crisis or Post-Crisis "suck" or are "bad". Both have their merits. That said, for myself I am a bigger fan of the Post-Crisis Superman, and most notably the way Superman was handled in animation i.e. STAS, JL/JLU. Based on what I have seen so far, there are some things I like about Singer's Superman, but many things I do not personally care for with regard to approach.

 

[MatchesMalone]

No, Post-Crisis pretty much sucks...to me.

STAS rocked. Once Tim Daly quit for JL/JLU, they wrote Superman as a real whiny punk. I can't stand him in JL/JLU. All he does is mope and punch stuff.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

Everyone in the cast is under pressure to match the performances of their characters' previous incarnations. Spacey, however, watched Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor for different reasons. "I watched the other actors but not with any sense of wanting to reference them because the Lex I portray is a very different Lex Luthor. This is a very bitter Lex, a very angry Lex, a Lex out for revenge. There's still humor, but it's not the same."
Spacey obviously had fun portraying the twisted genius, "Well he's just one of those iconic parts. Not just from the previous movies but all the way back to the original comic books. He's one of those great evil characters that you just love to hate."

Good to get this from Spacey himself. Its good that he looked back for reference but I'm glad they're taking a sort of new spin on Lex in this movie. I think hes going to be the most evil on screen Lex yet.

 

[Pickle-El]

I don't care about the muscle suit ... never did. I grew up watching reruns of George Reeves in a very obvious muscle suit.

I don't consider wanting a replica of the Chris Reeve suit to be a rehash of the first movie because the suit from that film WAS the comics suit. It wasn't an invention of the film maker. Singer's suit strays from the comics a little while the Donner suit strayed not at all.

As to the originality of this new film. It remains to be seen. (by the rest of you. I'll find out when I read here whether the film is worth my time).

What I didn't want was a rehash of the basic plot and some of the character interpretations.

Is Singer doing a rehash of STM? Don't know. Again, I don't know. I'll have to wait and see what you all say after it opens. If he is, I'll be giving it a huge pass.

I really didn't want the Donner interpretation of any of the characters. I don't want nerd Clark. I don't want a nerdy Jimmy. I don't want the comedic or 1950's version of Lex (I love corporate anti-christ Lex from the comics. Thank you Marv Wolfman.). I don't want a revisit from Otis or Miss Teschmacher.

I also didn't want to revisit Donner's Krypton. I didn't like it when I was a kid and I like it even less now. It was just completely illogical.

To answer someone's response to my earlier post (I'm not going to go back and see who it was), Having Kitty more of a 'Mercy' than a 'Miss Teschmacher' makes Luthor a more powerful appearing villain because we see him on screen in an alpha position to a subordinate everytime she's on screen. And the fact that Mercy is strong and a physical match for any male (of course, short of Supes) she faces down and Lex is in command of her... makes him look that much more powerful.

Having Kitty just his girlfriend somehow makes him softer and less threatening simply because it shows that he's not a cold, uncaring person. How could he be? He's got a girlfriend. Even the lousiest boyfriend must have some kind of warmth to get the girl in the first place. Cold, calculating Lex wouldn't have one. He would use women and throw them away.

So, if Kitty is Miss Teschmacher, well.... one more nail in the coffin.

I'm gonna quote my earlier post. It pretty much addresses your post.

This movie is NOT about Kitty. I don't hear Spiderman fans complaining about that receptionist, or that anorexic girl.


Did they have a great impact on the storyline? Who's to say Kitty isn't part of Lex's public 'face'? Or maybe a means for him to have a great deal of wealth? As I recall in the Premiere article

Spoiler

Kitty straight slaps the **** outta Le x on the Yacht after he risks her life just to distract Superman with the runaway green mustang

Sound like he gives a crap about her?

If she is Miss Techmacher V2, it's just too bad she isn't has hot as her I suppose. Otherwise, I find it highly suspicious how people now continue to bash S:TM like it isn't THE most revered of comic book movies. That slapstick comedy is one of the reasons it is so universally loved. It took itself seriously, but not too seriously. (Batman and X-Men come to mind)

Ever think that some people just wanna watch a fantastic tale of a great character? Kitty isn't the star of this movie...Clark/Superman is.

Ah, damn all you 'real' Superman fans. I feel almost ashamed to admit I fell in love with Superman because of S:TM.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

Very good point Pickle-El. Its the standard on which all comic book related movies are based from now. It was the original great big screen comic movie.

 

[Octoberist]

No, Post-Crisis pretty much sucks...to me.

STAS rocked. Once Tim Daly quit for JL/JLU, they wrote Superman as a real whiny punk. I can't stand him in JL/JLU. All he does is mope and punch stuff.

I swear he came back for JLU in the later seasons.