The Dark Knight Rises TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk)

[Solidus]

Clear.

Is the MTV music ever used in the film?

 

[Ferd]

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Definitely. Nothing about the ending is overly romantic or even close to being "mushy", but everything is earned.

Thank you for your reply.

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Now I'm just curious if what Bruce goes through and learns amidst this movie allows him to drop his one 'rule' and be okay with Selina using a gun and killing Bane. I find it hard to grasp he could end up with someone whose beliefs are so different from his own. Though, your reply about nothing 'mushy' helps me believe it's not really meant to intend they will live happily together forever and ever. More so just a much needed escape after some serious drama. A ying and a yang who have walked a similar path.

 

[Bat]

Because

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even the way you just attempted to explain it sounds wrong and horrible.

Forgive me for not having seen the movie yet.

 

[Solidus]

I mean...if that's all you took from what I just said, be free to overreact and be hyperbolic about that.

My main point is exactly what someone else said: you can word things in all sorts of ways, but a cigar is still a cigar.

Well the difference still is people hated X3, and there has been high praise on TDKR's ending.

 

[The Shape]

I mean...if that's all you took from what I just said, be free to overreact and be hyperbolic about that.

My main point is exactly what someone else said: you can word things in all sorts of ways, but a cigar is still a cigar.

I get that you want people to keep an open mind. But the facts are the facts, and thats what some have a problem with.

Facts are facts...so the last minute or so of TDKR (after a long, epic, complete story) is just like one of the most beloved X-Men characters dying in the first 20 mins of X3? (which was not even close to the worst thing about that film...)

Yeesh.

 

[The Shape]

forgive me for not having seen the movie yet.

I...forgive you. *Tobey in SM3 voice*

 

[DoomsdayApex]

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No, you don't understand what I'm trying to say.
What I'm trying to say is that to me, Bruce Wayne is not some normal guy. Yes, his life is kind of pathetic and sad, yes, it's a lonely life, but it's what he wants. That's Batman.
And this end, you showed me it's about someone who has accepted this. He may be to old to fight but to him, having a "good life" would be continuing the fight but by training people, an army (Gotham's future). It's exactly the answer I wanted because after all, Bruce Wayne is just a man, he's not immortal. It's an end, but they kept the essence of the character. This is Batman to me.

Our end, from what I have read is totally different. Yes, his death is fake but it seems like it's because he's someone who chose to have a normal life. That why, I asked, (it was a question) if you think Bruce will be back to Gotham and decide to train Blake. That's what I want to know.

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I do understand what you're saying but that's the point. It's not your vision of Batman... but then again there plenty of interpretations out there. For the finale, Nolan chose one where Bruce finally finds peace after a lifetime of suffering.

In Batman Begins, Bruce became Batman not only to confront his demons and fight injustice but to inspire the people of Gotham to rise up against the corrupted, criminals, scum, evil, etc. Batman became that symbol of hope. In The Dark Knight, his journey to rid Gotham City of crime is met with a halt. Bruce realizes that he doesn't want to spend the rest of his life destroying himself and hiding behind a mask. He viewed Harvey Dent as the true savior/hero that Gotham deserved. With The Dark Knight Rises, we're aware that Bruce is in bad shape physically and mentally. He has lost his identity and self-purpose but finds it again thanks to Selina Kyle. At this point in his 'career', Bruce is likely not the idealist he once was eight years ago but I believe Bruce finally comes to terms with his personal demons (the guilt over his parent's death and the dual identity that lurks beneath the surface -- Bruce is literally fighting himself in Bane) which finally propels him to move forward with whatever he has left in his life.

In my personal opinion, Bruce won't be coming back to 'train' Blake. By the end, I think Bruce will feel 'accomplished'. He's going to leave Gotham in Gordon's and Blake's hands because Bruce believes the city is in a brighter place. Why? Because Batman inspired Gotham and it's citizens to take back their city.

 

[The Shape]

Blah.

Tags, dude.

 

[ImAlwaysAngry]

So I'm taking it there's a cool scene of Bane's mask and how it works since you have ignored that question.

No big, I just really dig the design.

 

[redbirds]

Forgive me for not having seen the movie yet.

He is not insulting you. He is simply making a point about why wording on the internet makes it sound worse than it is. Personally, I love this ending. I could see how Nolan could make it really cool.

 

[Ras Al Fool]

For some reason, All this reminds me of the X-Men 3 hype, when everyone found out that Cyclops was gonna die having very little screentime. The two X3 writers were on a message board answering questions during the entire hype phase, trying to calm down fans who were pissed. They kept telling people that they'd be satisfied with Cyclops' portrayal.

The way Cyclops was portrayed in the finished product was pretty much exactly how it was described on paper.

I doubt anything in this will be as disappointing as that god awful movie.

I'm seriously hoping that after the street fight, there's at least 30-45 mins left of the film.

 

[3-D]

My main point is exactly what someone else said: you can word things in all sorts of ways, but a cigar is still a cigar.

I get that you want people to keep an open mind. But the facts are the facts, and thats what some have a problem with.

TheBatman,

Exactly what I was saying. Honestly, not sure why it's a difficult concept to grasp.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Tags, dude.

I know, I forgot to place a /.

 

[redbirds]

Well the difference still is people hated X3, and there has been high praise on TDKR's ending.

And this. That is a pretty big difference. The fact that literally everyone who has seen has said it blew them away, tops dark knight, and could get best picture should tell you something. I am pretty sure people did not ever rave about X3 like that.

 

[The Shape]

So I'm taking it there's a cool scene of Bane's mask and how it works since you have ignored that question.

No big, I just really dig the design.

Um, I don't think there's any detailed explanation or visualization of it, but maybe a general idea like Lindy Hemming has told us. It's really not important, IMO.

 

[Schlosser85]

We have yet to see all these facts in their proper sequence of events and proper context and playing out onscreen.

 

[The Shape]

And this. That is a pretty big difference. The fact that literally everyone who has seen has said it blew them away, tops dark knight, and could get best picture should tell you something. I am pretty sure people did not ever rave about X3 like that.

Besides Brett Ratner.

 

[Solidus]

TheBatman,

Exactly what I was saying. Honestly, not sure why it's a difficult concept to grasp.

Except people are writing words about a film, which they always say a picture is worth a thousand words, and there are millions of pictures and context in film. Everyone keeps focusing just on the ending, when he is saying there is much more to it. You do realize that there is 2 and half hours that no one is accounting for.

And everyone that has seen this film has praised the ending, so apparently in the context, all of this stuff is way different then a few people on the internet trying to explain it.

 

[The Batman]

Facts are facts...so the last minute or so of TDKR (after a long, epic, complete story) is just like one of the most beloved X-Men characters dying in the first 20 mins of X3? (which was not even close to the worst thing about that film...)

Yeesh.

No, I'm saying it seems like you're using the same tactics the X3 writers did, a statement that really dosent have anything to do with the overall quality of either X3 or TDKR. Most can and will most likely end up loving TDKR's ending. Still, IMO, I think you're doing a similar damage control tactic as the X3 writers did.

That being said, I imagine that once again you're gonna erroneously try to imply that I think TDKR will be of the same quality as X3.

 

[Schlosser85]

I'm not sure what the argument is here.

 

[The Shape]

Is the MTV music ever used in the film?

Which MTV music? Honestly, music questions are the toughest to answer after only one viewing of TDKR. It's hard to match it all up and recall specific tracks.

 

[The Batman]

TheBatman,

Exactly what I was saying. Honestly, not sure why it's a difficult concept to grasp.

I dunno either. It was apparently so difficult that all people got from my statements were "Ohmygod he thinks TDKR is gonna be like Last Standzzzz!"

Damage Control is Damage Control. Whether its used on a good movie like this one, or a crappy one like X3.

 

[ImAlwaysAngry]

Um, I don't think there's any detailed explanation or visualization of it, but maybe a general idea like Lindy Hemming has told us. It's really not important, IMO.

Too bad. I like creepy tech.

 

[J5550123]

Which MTV music? Honestly, music questions are the toughest to answer after only one viewing of TDKR. It's hard to match it all up and recall specific tracks.

I think he means this music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcGCGUkGgxA

 

[Schlosser85]

I dunno either. It was apparently so difficult that all people got from my statements were "Ohmygod TDKR is gonna be like Last Standzzzz!"

Damage Control is Damage Control. Whether its used on a good movie like this one, or a crappy one like X3.

How is it damage control if it's just the opinion of ONE person who's seen the movie?