The Dark Knight Rises TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk)

[kvz5]

What I meant was even if it's not out and out said in the film that

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Blake will pick up the Batman mantle, it most certainly will open the door to that possibilty. At least how we're hearing it at this point.

Absolutely. When you have cast members interpreting it that way, what more of the GA?

 

[Van Petrol]

If all this turn out to be true...

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I'm getting a similar feeling as to how they've gone about doing The Bourne Legacy with a new character, with the possibility of Bale eventually returning sometime down the line left open.

For the record, I actually really doubt this, and reckon this is the end for the Nolan/Bale Batman franchise and continuity, but with all the talk of the 'supposed' ending and everyone discussing the possibility of Blakeman Begins, is really reminding of how they are going with the Bourne franchise.

 

[Van Petrol]

I'm wondering if WB knows about these spoilers and are getting the cast to play along?

That has crossed my mind too. Maybe we're being troll'd by the entire cast and crew.

 

[Solidus]

Yep.

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I don't think showing John Blake finding the Batsuit at the end of the film means that the film is focused on him. IF, and that's a big IF, WB decides to continue with JGL as Blake/Batman, then I am sure we would see him having to figure out how to do what Batman did, maybe even seeking out the same/similar training. Showing that Batman can continue even if Bruce Wayne retires is the resolution of the ultimate goal of Wayne, to create a symbol Gotham can rally around, something that is eternal.

That's exactly it.

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In this series, it has always alluded to (since Begins) that he wants to create a symbol that is EVERLASTING much like any religion or hell even Batman him self continues on with out his original creator, which almost mirrors that of Bruce, he is a mortal man and won't be around forever. What happens when he is done? The Dark Knight Returns asked this question, and so did many of the other comics and cartoons. Batman Beyond comes to mind.

If he does find the Batsuit at the end, how is that bad? It does not mean Blade will pick it up and become Batman, he may be Robin or Nightwing or what ever. People are running to literal things with it. In the comics Batman has had many he has given the mantle to, Robin, Nightwing, Terry (Batman Beyond) Even Jean Paul.

If this ending is true, theShape has said many times this has a concrete ending, and I think I find it funny some keep ignoring a trusted poster here and keep listening to random rumblings on the internet. It sounds like from his words this is the conclusion. Even if it is to Bruce's journey. Because that is what this whole series has revolved around.

I think some are just going way over board, and ignoring that people said the ending is amazing, and are taking it from jumbled internet rumblings and something that is poorly written by internet dwellers with just a few words. When the ending will have a lot more then that.

 

[redbirds]

That has crossed my mind too. Maybe we're being troll'd by the entire cast and crew.

Hasn't Nolan actually deliberately misled people in the past by this method?

 

[Paradoxium]

Para, haven't seen you around these parts (on a regular basis) since the Begins days as far as I can recall. Good to see ya' man!

Might as well for the finale, see it through the end.

 

[terry78]

So it looks like we may be getting a lead into

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a Batman Inc-type open ending.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Here are two FAQs I wrote up earlier on the movie and ending, not comprehensive, but better than nothing.

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FAQ #1

FAQ #2

 

[LecheNinyo]

That's exactly it.

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In this series, it has always alluded to (since Begins) that he wants to create a symbol that is EVERLASTING much like any religion or hell even Batman him self continues on with out his original creator, which almost mirrors that of Bruce, he is a mortal man and won't be around forever. What happens when he is done? The Dark Knight Returns asked this question, and so did many of the other comics and cartoons. Batman Beyond comes to mind.

If he does find the Batsuit at the end, how is that bad? It does not mean Blade will pick it up and become Batman, he may be Robin or Nightwing or what ever. People are running to literal things with it. In the comics Batman has had many he has given the mantle to, Robin, Nightwing, Terry (Batman Beyond) Even Jean Paul.

If this ending is true, theShape has said many times this has a concrete ending, and I think I find it funny some keep ignoring a trusted poster here and keep listening to random rumblings on the internet. It sounds like from his words this is the conclusion. Even if it is to Bruce's journey. Because that is what this whole series has revolved around.

I think some are just going way over board, and ignoring that people said the ending is amazing, and are taking it from jumbled internet rumblings and something that is poorly written by internet dwellers with just a few words. When the ending will have a lot more then that.

THIS.

i just don't know what to say about the panicking or the groans by some people here

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Whether one likes or hates the supposed ending, no one can claim that it has no basis in the comics.

 

[ImAlwaysAngry]

Seriously. The complaining is goofy.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Whether one likes or hates the supposed ending, no one can claim that it has no basis in the comics.

Obviously not. But comic books aren't always perfect. They've jumped the shark numerous times over the years, and I think having [BLACKOUT]other characters as Batman fits into the "jumping the shark" category.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[redbirds]

Whether one likes or hates the supposed ending, no one can claim that it has no basis in the comics.

Yea, this. I just know there is going to be people not truly knowledgable about the comics complaining how it was too different than traditional batman and too far from the comics. But the thing is, it is VERY in line with the comics.

 

[Solidus]

To The Joker:

All I have to say is Batman Beyond.

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That was definitive, Bruce was forever done, and Terry took over, and most loved that. Bruce is not immortal.

Read my post above in this page.

 

[Dylan Dog]

The next part of his reply is what's important. But we will all see soon enough.

A year ago I wouldn't have ever thought Nolan would end this way, but with every second that passes, I'm becoming more of a believer. Sadly.



Check out Freeman and Bale's statements. It certainly seems there is the suggestion of what could happen with Blake, even if it's not out and out said.

Maybe but I don´t buy it.

 

[The_Maestro]

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INT. COFFEE SHOP - DAY (Summer 2008)

GOYER
Dude! I just came up with the perfect ending for the trilogy!

NOLAN
I'm listening...

GOYER
......a montage.

Nolan nods.

NOLAN
F***ing A.

 

[redbirds]

To The Joker:

All I have to say is Batman Beyond.

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That was definitive, Bruce was forever done, and Terry took over, and most loved that. Bruce is not immortal.

Read my post above in this page.

This +1000. Even on paper, I love this idea for an ending by Nolan. The genius of Nolan is, he is really faithful to the comics while making it work sod well in the real world. Before him, I would have thought it IMPOSSIBLE to make comics like that realistic and into a non goofy/campy superhero film. It truly is amazing to me.

 

[Blue_Scholar]

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You guys remember when WB was supposedly unhappy with Nolan's ending, and there was a rumored re-write? This speculated ending with Blake could very well be a product of that.

 

[Solidus]

Whether one likes or hates the supposed ending, no one can claim that it has no basis in the comics.

Obviously not. But comic books aren't always perfect. They've jumped the shark numerous times over the years, and I think having [BLACKOUT]other characters as Batman fits into the "jumping the shark" category.[/BLACKOUT]

Ya but Nolan has taken many of the ideas from the comics and made them much better then they were originally done. And that's what I love about him.

With all the praise of the ending, he must have done it right in the context of the film.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The reason

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comic Bruce always re-dons the costume is because of the destructive practice of the business itself by not allowing any sort of growth. So retirement or death is meaningless.

 

[kvz5]

Just because it's taken from the comics doesn't automatically make it brilliant though IMO.

 

[redbirds]

Ya but Nolan has taken many of the ideas from the comics and made them much better then they were originally done. And that's what I love about him.

With all the praise of the ending, he must have done it right in the context of the film.

The actors and reviewers even mentioned this. He takes a story that is VERY hard to tell and does it brilliantly. The reason people are freaking out is because they are trying to imagine the ending in their head. But the problem is, they don't have the talent and vision of Nolan that makes it work. Therefore, in their head it seems stupid.

 

[Solidus]

The reason

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comic Bruce always re-dons the costume is because of the destructive practice of the business itself by not allowing any sort of growth. So retirement or death is meaningless.

Exactly.

The comic medium keeps Bruce going as Batman, because the comic business really does not believe in endings, even if they kill of their characters like Supes or the clone crap in the Marvel-verse.

Comics don't allow for endings because they need more monthly sales for the rest of eternity.

Nolan is breaking that mold and giving us an end to Bruce's journey, an therefore giving a FULL character arch to the character.

 

[The Joker]

To The Joker:

All I have to say is Batman Beyond.

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That was definitive, Bruce was forever done, and Terry took over, and most loved that. Bruce is not immortal.

Read my post above in this page.

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Bruce was like fifty something years old in Batman Beyond when he finally threw in the towel and stopped being Batman. He also did it because he physically couldn't do it any more. He had a heart attack and was nearly killed in the field. Bruce is in his late 30's in this. It's not quite the same now is it.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Just because it's taken from the comics doesn't automatically make it brilliant though IMO.

Some comics are good or great, but many more are crap.