The Dark Knight Rises The 80th TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 85

[The_Raganork]

So no one thinks the cane is a result of a Bane-bat-back-breaking incident anymore?

That never made sense.

Clearly he has the cane at the beginning of the film where he's still brooding.

He's in the manor with it and at the party with it. When the storm is coming, not when the storm has arrived.

Bane's plot hasn't started to involve him yet.

 

[Pontillo]

Wrong, he was Batman most of the 8 years. But an injury/lack of need for Batman caused him to stop some time before the film begins.

Absolutely he did. Consider Nolan's quote about him being "frozen in time". He has no reason being Batman. No good reason to suit up because of what happened in TDK. No other threats. Peace time is upon him. He's rebuilt his cave. He walks around with a cane night after night. Confident, because like his his job is done.

But he's not happy. Not fulfilled by any of this. Tate tries to help his Wayne persona come alive. And that inspires him a little bit. Then, there's something going down in Gotham. Something that breaks the peace. He rushes into the batsuit and prepares to intervene. Suddenly he learns. It's a trap! It has all been a ruse to resurge batman into the open so that Bane could take him out.

The rest you can figure yourself from that awesome third trailer.

 

[Wedge A.]

Nolan and Bale have repeatedly said that Bruce Wayne is in a suspended place emotionally, still being haunted. I don't think that's possible if he hasn't been Batman for eight years. For some time, sure, but not since The Dark Knight.

 

[jonnywhc]

Right.

This man, trained to withstand pain, to engage 600 men, to disappear on command, need eight freakin' years to recover from a fall... immediately after which he got up, ran to the batpod, and drove it away from the cops?

Yeah.

No.

Sorry.

Try again.



One or two years, maybe. Eight years?

Not buying it.

And for the record, I never bought that fall killing Dent. Should've killed Batman, then, too. Although Dent was thrown over. Batman was hanging on to the ledge and then lost his grip.

But still...

THE FALL KILLED DENT.

I imagin a man like Bruce wouldn't go to the hospital for the injuries of the fall. We've seen him patch himself up with the help of Alfred before.

If an injury is left from being properly attended to, it'll generally linger alot longer than it has to. Plus, he's depressed as we saw in the trailer and obv isn't interested in training, so probably hasn't done any rehab workouts. He's frozen in time. The pain from the injury is probably abit soothing to him and makes him feel it wasnt that long ago, so he doesnt have to long after being Batman so much.

8 years is totally believable for the injuries one could sustain in that fall, especially cos it KILLED a man without the Batsuit on AND the reasons I mentioned above.

Oh and like I just said...Batman fell in armour, Dent didnt.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

No, he was speaking over the loudspeakers/PA at the stadium. There's even youtube video with the footage.

I said the final trailer voice; not the TV spot voice.

 

[Octoberist]

The movie starts 8 years after TDK. It's been reported that several times, including from Nolan himself. Why would Bruce have a limp after 8 years, and then magically loses it?

 

[kvz5]

"5 Lessons Newsies Christian Bale Taught Dark Knight Rises Christian Bale"

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[Carnotaur3]

A highly-trained man in almost inhuman shape. He survived worse during his LOS training. trained to withstand pain, take on army, etc.

He's not trained to withstand injury, Nate. Let's be logical.

 

[Fenrir]

The limp is pre-Bane. The scenes with him on a can is before Bane even shows up.

I wasn't asking a question. It was a retort.

 

[The Joker]

Nolan and Bale have repeatedly said that Bruce Wayne is in a suspended place emotionally, still being haunted. I don't think that's possible if he hasn't been Batman for eight years. For some time, sure, but not since The Dark Knight.

I do like the idea of that. Only Joker could put Batman in an emotional stand still for 8 years

 

[Tojo]

Absolutely he did. Consider Nolan's quote about him being "frozen in time". He has no reason being Batman. No good reason to suit up because of what happened in TDK. No other threats. Peace time is upon him. He's rebuilt his cave. He walks around with a cane night after night. Confident, because like his his job is done.

But he's not happy. Not fulfilled by any of this. Tate tries to help his Wayne persona come alive. And that inspires him a little bit. Then, there's something going down in Gotham. Something that breaks the peace. He rushes into the batsuit and prepares to intervene. Suddenly he learns. It's a trap! It has all been a ruse to resurge batman into the open so that Bane could take him out.

The rest you can figure yourself from that awesome third trailer.

Interesting, but you're conveniently neglecting;

1) TDK injury is still felt 8yrs later. Still limping from an 8yr old injury
2) Bane rolls up.
3) Bruce can walk properly again!

Sorry, but nonsensical. Illogical even.

 

[The_Raganork]

Absolutely he did. Consider Nolan's quote about him being "frozen in time". He has no reason being Batman. No good reason to suit up because of what happened in TDK. No other threats. Peace time is upon him. He's rebuilt his cave. He walks around with a cane night after night. Confident, because like his his job is done.

Are you serious?

You think because he took the blame for Harvey's crimes ALL crime suddenly ended?

Also think about is

"He [Gordon] is a War Hero"

The 8 year period between TDK and TDKR is the most logical time for that war to happen. The total reconstruction Gotham into a place of "peace"

It took time. 6 years then two years of relative peace and two years of non-purpose for Bruce.

 

[Norek]

For some reason, I don't think the injury is going to be that much of a deal. I'd imagine he got it shortly before the events of TDKR. I wouldn't be surprised if he got it being crazy around, doing dumb ****.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

That never made sense.

Clearly he has the cane at the beginning of the film where he's still brooding.

He's in the manor with it and at the party with it. When the storm is coming, not when the storm has arrived.

Bane's plot hasn't started to involve him yet.

early on the talk was about how within Bane and Batman's first encounter he breaks his back, this waits 8 years to recover and during that time we see him with the cane

 

[jonnywhc]

Also..just because he's used to pain doesn't mean injuries clear up magically, look at athletes who get injured..they want to on..but they can't sometimes because some injuries take along time to rehab from, and some never fully heal.

I also think the Bane-breaking-Batman will be teased heavily but won't happen.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Well I think the Trailer 3 voice sounds great and not amateur at all.

Team Clear, dammit!! t:

I didn't say anything about the voice itself. Just how it sounded in context to other voices. For example, when he says "I'm Gotham's reckoning" it sounds like a recording of his voice played in a nearby sound system and not from his own mouth. Ditto his talk it Bruce.

 

[Pwz414]

What does any of the bold mean? Either way the cave was constructed POST TDK. We're almost 100% certain of that because there's no way they were fixing up the cave in TDK. The Manor wasn't even finished yet.

All your other ideas are fine, they just don't require 8 years. 3-4 years yes. He slowly retires and then is gone for years. That's enough to lose skill and health.

I think the cave was under construction while Wayne Manor was being rebuilt; I think Fox would head something like that with Alfred's assistance. Bruce was quite busy at the time. Perhaps it was finished not long after the events of TDK and sat for years. Maybe the image of a villain bat would hold up better if he were out of site or just appearing now and then, rather than stories of a morally sound bat still cleaning up the streets for a couple more years.

 

[The_Raganork]

early on the talk was about how within Bane and Batman's first encounter he breaks his back, this waits 8 years to recover and during that time we see him with the cane

This REALLY doesn't make sense. You think that Gotham is under Bane's control for 8 years?

 

[The_Raganork]

I think the cave was under construction while Wayne Manor was being rebuilt; I think Fox would head something like that with Alfred's assistance. Bruce was quite busy at the time. Perhaps it was finished not long after the events of TDK and sat for years. Maybe the image of a villain bat would hold up better if he were out of site or just appearing now and then, rather than stories of a morally sound bat still cleaning up the streets for a couple more years.

You think two senior citizens built the Batcave under the noses of men rebuilding the manor?

 

[Tojo]

I think the cave was under construction while Wayne Manor was being rebuilt; I think Fox would head something like that with Alfred's assistance. Bruce was quite busy at the time. Perhaps it was finished not long after the events of TDK and sat for years. Maybe the image of a villain bat would hold up better if he were out of site or just appearing now and then, rather than stories of a morally sound bat still cleaning up the streets for a couple more years.

A cave like that would take years. I know it's a movie, but still, they did not build that cave within 6months. The Manor was re-built, then some top secret dudes came and did the cave.

 

[Pontillo]

This




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are you serious?

You think because he took the blame for harvey's crimes all crime suddenly ended?

Also think about is

"he [gordon] is a war hero"

the 8 year period between tdk and tdkr is the most logical time for that war to happen. The total reconstruction gotham into a place of "peace"

it took time. 6 years then two years of relative peace and two years of non-purpose for bruce.

 

[floreairfoot]

I really NEED to see the crazy Bruce/maid Selina crossbow scene. It sounds too awesome.

I've got this idea that he was doing it to frighten her, I think he may have caught her taking something.

Maybe the necklace, pieced back together?

 

[jonnywhc]

The movie starts 8 years after TDK. It's been reported that several times, including from Nolan himself. Why would Bruce have a limp after 8 years, and then magically loses it?

Rehab training.

And yano Bruce MAY be doing alot of this mentally to himself as a punishment for (accidentally) killing Dent.

Perhaps he just needs to snap himself out of it.

 

[Carnotaur3]

Are you serious?

I won't debate you if you continue this tone, Rag.

You think because he took the blame for Harvey's crimes ALL crime suddenly ended?

No, I don't. But what I do believe is that there isn't a threat like the Joker to enter the frame. Remember, Dent not being outed means that the Mob ended up indicted. Maybe not all of them, but enough to where Gordon and his force now have leverage. "Imagine what you can do with 18 months of clean streets." Gotham is leaning in favor of good now. Which was Batman's reason for being in the first place: to inspire the people of Gotham to do good. The problem is how they justified their way of bring peace. And it's going to bite them in the ass because their solution was only a temporary one.

Also think about is

"He [Gordon] is a War Hero"

The 8 year period between TDK and TDKR is the most logical time for that war to happen. The total reconstruction Gotham into a place of "peace"

It took time. 6 years then two years of relative peace and two years of non-purpose for Bruce.

Yeah, because Gordon is now doing all of the heavy lifting.

 

[Travesty]

A cave like that would take years. I know it's a movie, but still, they did not build that cave within 6months. The Manor was re-built, then some top secret dudes came and did the cave.

But it is a movie, and things like this can happen quickly. How else do you explain The Bunker with all of its secret compartments and secret entrances? That was built within the 6-8 months between BB and TDK.

And it looks like The Cave is even more bare bones than The Bunker was, so it's not out of the ordinary for things like this to happen in these movies.