The Dark Knight Rises The 86th TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread

[craigdbfan]

Did they say that?

Yeah they did. In that Rolling Stones article and in the herocomplex interview they had with Nolan & Goyer as well. There's been other snippets from other magazines/publications that escape me at the moment also mentioning that Nolan had in mind how the entire story was going to play out since the beginning and it further developing after TDK.

 

[Nevincer]

Something that confuses me is that in the Rolling Stones interview Bale says that Nolan has apparently had three movies in mind since the beginning (even though Bale was apparently only interested in starring only in one movie but decided to come back after seeing what Nolan did) yet there's other interviews where Nolan apparently says he never had a trilogy in mind and approached Begins with a stand alone mindset. Yet the Joker card at the end would suggest otherwise.

I think it's more the division between loads of ideas that he, goyer and his brother have jotted down and his decisions to materialize a group of ideas into a movie. When he's made that decision, that's his main focus, but there has been loads of brainstorming and directions, things that have never panned out, in the mix... I'm sure of it.

 

[Deserana]

It seems unusual to just release a CW-centric poster so any chance we can expect a similar one of Batman and Bane.

 

[KalMart]

Something that confuses me is that in the Rolling Stones interview Bale says that Nolan has apparently had three movies in mind since the beginning (even though Bale was apparently only interested in starring only in one movie but decided to come back after seeing what Nolan did) yet there's other interviews where Nolan apparently says he never had a trilogy in mind and approached Begins with a stand alone mindset. Yet the Joker card at the end would suggest otherwise.

Well...since it was so clearly based on Year One, you figured that it would be included...but not necessarily essential to be fleshed out if the movie didn't get a sequel and so on. I doubt he actually had the clear stories planned out beforehand for a trilogy...and also quite unlikely he could have forseen Ledger's untimely death, as who wouldn't want to bring the Joker back again?

 

[Oneironaut]

It will be really cool if Bat draw his batarangs to throw at some thugs, but at the last moment stop and look at the camera a la Schumacher style and then tuck them back and say "Problem, batfans??"

 

[Travesty]

That's exactly what I was thinking. In recent interviews they've indicated that Nolan has apparently had the entire trilogy in mind since the beginning.

Yeah, I don't know, I've read both, and all of the quotes were supposedly straight from Nolan. Either he has been misquoted, or he's just lying for some reason, cause I've seen him say many times that he wasn't even sure if he was going to do a second movie, and that he didn't even know the story until he thought how cool it would be to explore The Joker.

So I don't know?

 

[KalMart]

Yeah they did. In that Rolling Stones article and in the herocomplex interview they had with Nolan & Goyer as well. There's been other snippets from other magazines/publications that escape me at the moment also mentioning that Nolan had in mind how the entire story was going to play out since the beginning and it further developing after TDK.

Yeah, it sounds like a few key plot points/moods/parallels to be addressed that were around for a while and to maybe build around, but the actual stories and scripts sound like they were started independently for each movie.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

So for years they had the ending planned all along?

Whatever happened to "I only focus on one film at a time and haven't even thought of what could happen next because I'm so busy with this one" Nolan?

Bale was signed up for 3 movies but I don't remember about Nolan or the others. Maybe it was just a negotiating tactic for more money but that could be very wrong.

He said he's had an ending in mind for like 9 years.

"From a fairly early stage in the process of making the three films we knew how Bruce's story would end." (Entertainment Weekly, 2012-04-20) Jonah said in this issue they focused on one project at a time and pouring all their best ideas into them. But Bale has said in interviews that Chris had in mind a trilogy all along.

 

[MrWayne]

See now that Catwoman heel poster is more along the lines of what they should have been releasing...

What I find odd is that the "official poster" that was released this week that was so lame is very out of place compared to all these other posters and banners. These seem dark in and grey almost in color tone and the poster was just blah!!! Not like any of these others ones that followed.

Almost doesn't seem like it was from the same marketing...

 

[Nevincer]

Yeah, it sounds like a few key plot points/moods/parallels to be addressed that were around for a while and to maybe build around, but the actual stories and scripts sound like they were started independently for each movie.

That's how I see it.

 

[Doctor Jones]

This is interesting if true. I don't know if they had the entire trilogy planned. But possibly the idea of the ending to Bruce's journey given the nature of what Bruce bagan in BB. Maybe it became natural and apparent to Nolan and Goyer what an ending could be.

 

[Deserana]

I can't remember where exactly where I saw it but Nolan said that these films were commentaries on modern heroism, so its possible he has had a basic outline and ending but not necassarily content if he were to continue after BB

 

[MrWayne]

Not seen that... kinda cool, not groundbreaking in the art department, but I'm happy that we might actualy get some batarangs thrown in this movie! We already got the stealth takedowns back

I love this pic and hope for a higher res version.

I'm gaga for those cgi'd promos!!

 

[intothevoid]

Well...since it was so clearly based on Year One, you figured that it would be included...but not necessarily essential to be fleshed out if the movie didn't get a sequel and so on. I doubt he actually had the clear stories planned out beforehand for a trilogy...and also quite unlikely he could have forseen Ledger's untimely death, as who wouldn't want to bring the Joker back again?

Yeah I think at most Nolan would have had something in mind on how the story ends, but not how he gets there. In any event, whatever detailed ideas he had for the third MUST have changed following Ledger's death.

Still, the ending may have been something that's been at the back of his mind since the early days, if he were so lucky to get to make 3.

 

[Solidus]

Yeah, I don't know, I've read both, and all of the quotes were supposedly straight from Nolan. Either he has been misquoted, or he's just lying for some reason, cause I've seen him say many times that he wasn't even sure if he was going to do a second movie, and that he didn't even know the story until he thought how cool it would be to explore The Joker.

So I don't know?

Eh, not fully true. Back during the Begins days, Goyer especially talked about how they had a trilogy planned out in rough forum. Originally I think Two-Face was suppose to be the main baddie in the third. It is highly possible they had at least an idea how they wanted their story to end. But that's hard to tell.

I wish I could find those old articles of Goyer talking about the trilogy, because they knew that the Joker was going to be in the second one, and the origin of Harvey, then originally I'm pretty sure he said that the third would focus around Two-Face.

 

[Fenrir]

That's exactly what I was thinking. In recent interviews they've indicated that Nolan has apparently had the entire trilogy in mind since the beginning.

I'm thinking what he meant what that he didn't have an entire trilogy planned out. Nolan said that he always had an idea of how Bruce Wayne's story would end, but of course, it might have been only that one specific element that he had thought of and that too in a strictly conceptual sense without having any real plans to materialise it.

 

[KalMart]

Bale was signed up for 3 movies but I don't remember about Nolan or the others. Maybe it was just a negotiating tactic for more money but that could be very wrong.

He said he's had an ending in mind for like 9 years.

"From a fairly early stage in the process of making the three films we knew how Bruce's story would end." (Entertainment Weekly, 2012-04-20) Jonah said in this issue they focused on one project at a time and pouring all their best ideas into them. But Bale has said in interviews that Chris had in mind a trilogy all along.

It's also wise to treat each movie in a way like it's the one and only, because you don't want to depend on a follow-up, so to speak. You never know what can happen these days, so it sounds like an interesting balance between liking to do a trilogy but also being prepared for it to stop before the third by not leaving anything on the table.

 

[Nevincer]

It's like how the idea came up for Joker to be on trial and Dent to be scarred in a third film, I think ideas like that have always come up but in terms of the priority that Nolan has it's always the film and story therin he's working on at that time.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Bale was signed up for 3 movies but I don't remember about Nolan or the others. Maybe it was just a negotiating tactic for more money but that could be very wrong.

He said he's had an ending in mind for like 9 years.

"From a fairly early stage in the process of making the three films we knew how Bruce's story would end." (Entertainment Weekly, 2012-04-20) Jonah said in this issue they focused on one project at a time and pouring all their best ideas into them. But Bale has said in interviews that Chris had in mind a trilogy all along.

Hmm...

I guess it was just him and Chris knowing?

It's strange because it's so conflicting. So either Nolan lied to keep it a secret or it's some kind of publicity thing to make it sound more attention getting. But I highly doubt the latter.

It could very well being something Nolan didn't want to reveal until now because he didn't want to get people into a frenzy on what the possibilities of other films so that the attention from the individual films shouldn't have been diverged from at the time.

 

[Travesty]

Eh, not fully true. Back during the Begins days, Goyer especially talked about how they had a trilogy planned out in rough forum. Originally I think Two-Face was suppose to be the main baddie in the third. It is highly possible they had at least an idea how they wanted their story to end. But that's hard to tell.

I wish I could find those old articles of Goyer talking about the trilogy, because they knew that the Joker was going to be in the second one, and the origin of Harvey, then originally I'm pretty sure he said that the third would focus around Two-Face.

I'll find some quotes where Nolan says he had no plans to even do a second one, and the more he thought of it, the more he wanted to explore The Joker. I've read that a few times.

 

[KalMart]

Yeah I think at most Nolan would have had something in mind on how the story ends, but not how he gets there. In any event, whatever detailed ideas he had for the third MUST have changed following Ledger's death.

Still, the ending may have been something that's been at the back of his mind since the early days, if he were so lucky to get to make 3.

I could see him loosely keeping some novels in mind as structural models..like say Tale Of Two Cities or Wart And Peace, etc. And knowing that if there are three, the dynamic of the overall arc has to go along with which installment is which. But I don;t know if he new back in '05 that he'd be using Bane and Catwoman for a third movie, for example.

 

[MultipleJesuses]

Am I the only one that found that new poster incredibly/weirdly sexy

I need those boots ASAP

Please do!
I think all ladies should have to wear those from now on

 

[Solidus]

I'll find some quotes where Nolan says he had no plans to even do a second one, and the more he thought of it, the more he wanted to explore The Joker. I've read that a few times.

Ya but I'm sure there were ones where they said different. Goyer said that they sketched out a rough idea of where the others would go. That does not contradict that Nolan would not do a second one by any means. Goyer I believe said he planed it with Chris as a trilogy, if Chris was to stay or go, is something that had no bearing.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It doesn't have to be one or the other. He had a precise idea of how Bruce's arc would develop over the three films. Everything else sort of sprang from that. The details were worked out with each film. But that doesn't mean he knew a trilogy will materialize. Hence his "I only work one film at a time" mentality. It's also convenient to cut off any ponderous questions.

 

[JackL]

For people who is interested in the interview of "Rolling Stone", it doesn't talk too much about Batman.
A couple of question about the character (You know, this movie is about "Pain" and how Bruce will face it). He said that he join to the first one because he think it was a "low" budget production and when he saw the result he think "Holy ****". The rest is talking about his privacy and family, and his career.
Not a good interview for me...
I think that the previous article from "cinemania" is better.
BTW: Maybe Nolan knew "how" he want to end it, but didn't know the exact development