The Dark Knight Rises The 86th TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread

[craigdbfan]

Goyer himself mentioned introducing/showing Bane to Nolan after TDK ended.

Either way Nolan seems to pick characters in the mythos to fit into his tale of detailing Wayne's journey throughout these three films. So he had a structure he wanted to follow since the beginning it seems.

He still had a general idea where he was taking Wayne and did know it was going to take two other movies after Begins to get there. The supporting characters are tailored to fit his specific story. Which isn't a bad thing honestly.

 

[Oneironaut]

Please do!
I think all ladies should have to wear those from now on

 

[MrWayne]

Hmm...

I guess it was just him and Chris knowing?

It's strange because it's so conflicting. So either Nolan lied to keep it a secret or it's some kind of publicity thing to make it sound more attention getting. But I highly doubt the latter.

It could very well being something Nolan didn't want to reveal until now because he didn't want to get people into a frenzy on what the possibilities of other films that the attention shouldn't have diverged from the individual films at the time.

Either way I think it's interesting and exciting. Means they have given this much thought and have had things in place for some time.

 

[Kane52630]

Happy birthday!

I already tried changing the filename to Batman and Bane... nothing there... yet!

Thanks Chris! and yeah I was also changing the filename but nothing came out.

Bats better use those batarangs!

That's one of my hopes for TDKR.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Ya but I'm sure there were ones where they said different. Goyer said that they sketched out a rough idea of where the others would go. That does not contradict that Nolan would not do a second one by any means. Goyer I believe said he planed it with Chris as a trilogy, if Chris was to stay or go, is something that had no bearing.

Jonathan Nolan stated in a long audio interview that Chris never thinks about the sequel unless he thinks he can top it and create a better story. It took Gorey and Jonathan to convince him that they could top Begins.

However, I think that a general outline, kinda like a contingency plan, is always there.

 

[Solidus]

Goyer himself mentioned introducing/showing Bane to Nolan after TDK ended.

Either way Nolan seems to pick characters in the mythos to fit into his tale of detailing Wayne's journey throughout these three films. So he had a structure he wanted to follow since the beginning it seems.

He still had a general idea where he was taking Wayne and did know it was going to take two other movies after Begins to get there. The supporting characters are tailored to fit his specific story. Which isn't a bad thing honestly.

Ya I think they had a general idea, not specifics. I mean Nolan was weary of doing a second, and even a third. But that does not mean there were not ideas because Goyer I remember (I wish I could find them) talked about it back in 06 or late 05 about the trilogy idea.

 

[intothevoid]

It doesn't have to be one or the other. He had a precise idea of how Bruce's arc would develop over the three films. Everything else sort of sprang from that. The details were worked out with each film.

Pretty much this.

BB - Bruce's journey to become Batman

2nd film - escalation due to criminals upping the ante following the appearance of Batman, Batman finding himself on the wrong side of the law

Final film - Bruce being battered emotionally and physically, and being 'frozen in time'... needing to find a way to rediscover his inspiration and or retire for good... leading to whatever ending they have in mind.


That could have been a very basic structure they had in mind without any idea of the details

 

[Doctor Jones]

It doesn't have to be one or the other. He had a precise idea of how Bruce's arc would develop over the three films. Everything else sort of sprang from that. The details were worked out with each film. But that doesn't mean he knew a trilogy will materialize. Hence his "I only work one film at a time" mentality. It's also convenient to cut off any ponderous questions.

Yeah, this is how I feel. Nolan didn't want to promise anything and everything too soon because there was never a guarentee about a next one.

Either way I think interesting and exciting. Means they have given this much thought and have had things in place for some time.

Yeah, I like the idea a lot now.

 

[MrWayne]

Nah man I wanna see smoke bombs and the grappling gun!!

 

[Solidus]

Jonathan Nolan stated in a long audio interview that Chris never thinks about the sequel unless he thinks he can top it and create a better story. It took Gorey and Jonathan to convince him that they could top Begins.

I think you are forgetting that a lot of the ideas for structure of the story come from Goyer and Nolan together, and he was on board before J. Nolan. I just remember an old interview with Goyer saying they had a rough idea, nothing written down, but an idea of where it would go.

Because again originally I remember Goyer saying that Two-Face would be the third baddie not Bane. But of course they changed that in 06 as they worked on TDK.

 

[craigdbfan]

Ya I think they had a general idea, not specifics. I mean Nolan was weary of doing a second, and even a third. But that does not mean there were not ideas because Goyer I remember (I wish I could find them) talked about it back in 06 or late 05 about the trilogy idea.

Pretty much, yeah.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Ya I think they had a general idea, not specifics. I mean Nolan was weary of doing a second, and even a third. But that does not mean there were not ideas because Goyer I remember (I wish I could find them) talked about it back in 06 or late 05 about the trilogy idea.

I'm pretty sure that trilogy was the Joker scarring Dent leading into the third film. Or was it something else?

Bane didn't seem to come about until after TDK. Those type of things are more worked out when he's actually involved in them, and not just a film away.

But I think Bruce Wayne's story could have been the thing they knew how to end from the beginning.

It's funny now, because I always found it strange how Nolan never even teased the idea in his own mind of what could possibly happen in a next one. I mean how can one just shut that thought out when the creative juices are going and you're involved in these kind of films?

 

[venus_ice]

It's not a poster. Just a piece of promotional art:

WHA? Why have I never seen this before!? Glorious!

 

[Victarion]

I also recall reading a magazine article shortly before BB's release about Joker in part 2, Two-Face in 3. Bane's scheme could easily be applied to Two-Face, if you think about it.

 

[Boom]

I love the chalk bat emblem.

 

[Solidus]

I'm pretty sure that trilogy was the Joker scarring Dent leading into the third film. Or was it something else?

Bane didn't seem to come about until after TDK.

But I think Bruce Wayne's story could have been the thing they knew how to end from the beginning.

It's funny now, because I always found it strange how Nolan never even teased the idea of what could possibly happen in a next one. I mean how can one just shut that thought when the creative juices are going and you're involved in these kind of films?

Ya I remember it was suppose to be that TDK ended with Joker scaring Two-Face in some way. And the origin of him would be just in TDK, then in the third Two-Face would be full fledged the bad guy. But they changed it early on, which is fine because it works and seems to have been for the best. But I think they had an idea of where Bruce would go.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

I think you are forgetting that a lot of the ideas for structure of the story come from Goyer and Nolan together, and he was on board before J. Nolan. I just remember an old interview with Goyer saying they had a rough idea, nothing written down, but an idea of where it would go.

Because again originally I remember Goyer saying that Two-Face would be the third baddie not Bane. But of course they changed that in 06 as they worked on TDK.

Oh no, you're right that Goyer was the main ideas man, I just meant that Goyer asked Jonathan to convince his brother that they could top Begins. Just to convince and all that. So they sorta tag-teamed him.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

been on a trailer binge. cannot ****ing wait.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Ya I remember it was suppose to be that TDK ended with Joker scaring Two-Face in some way. And the origin of him would be just in TDK, then in the third Two-Face would be full fledged the bad guy. But they changed it early on, which is fine because it works and seems to have been for the best. But I think they had an idea of where Bruce would go.

Yeah, and I actually went into TDK expecting TF would lead in to become the next film's bad guy. I never expected them to kill him. But it worked great.

 

[Man in the Suit]

I think you are forgetting that a lot of the ideas for structure of the story come from Goyer and Nolan together, and he was on board before J. Nolan.

Jonah did some uncredited work on BB.

 

[jonnywhc]

I think its pretty simple..

Nolan had roughly planned out what journey he wanted Bruce to go on through 2 films, then was able to figure out the first properly, then took it one at a time. I don't think he's the sort of guy to come out and say "yeah, I'm doing a trilogy"..so he said he focuses on one at a time. Plus, it'd hype the film up too much and make people think about the sequel even before they've seen the first film.

Obv plans changed with Heaths death and how the public reacted from film to film and probably changed the ideas with how the world changed. Rich vs poor, etc.

AND he was basically unknown to the generaly public before Begins so saying "trilogy" would have been seen as cocky.

So no, I don't think he lied lol.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I keep forgetting to mention, but I was talking to my friend about the possibility of Nolan killing Batman off and he thinks he won't do it. He cited Inception of the idea that "a positive emotion is much more powerful than a negative one for the catharsis."

Which could very well be believed for the ending of this film. We know how Nolan carries some of his themes over to his other films. I still doubt it myself, because it would just be a real drag to see Batman dead at the end of all this. I mean TDK can get away with it now because it's the mid section where things don't go the way of the hero at times, but the finale, it's classic good vs evil where good triumphs. We may think the hero may not come out on top, but that's all part of the story. it's about that journey to getting there we care about. I don't think Nolan would devastate us by killing Batman off. But your guess is as good as mine.

 

[Oneironaut]

To be honest, I don't like these CGI posters... I mean, they were cool for the first or second time, but TDKR has an awful lot of them. The real actors posing, like the RISE posters, are much much much more cooler and they should stick to them.

 

[AnneFan]

WHA? Why have I never seen this before!? Glorious!

According to the Bane/Bat sewer fight description(you got that Team Cave?) Batman throws batarangs during the fight to take down a supporter of a rusty beam. And because we get to see the Batcave, we might see some bats down there. Satisfying people who didn't see those two things in TDK.

 

[Char]

See, a Catwoman poster on my Birthday.

Happy birthday dude!