The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion - - Part 86

[titansupes]

The skateboard is just a groaner to me. I just hate it and I have nothing against skateboarding but I don't want to see Peter Parker do that.

I was in no way asking for a repeat of Spidey in the Raimi films as I can deal with and welcome different interpretations. I am not one of those people who wants the exact same interpretation every time but Sony could have done better than what they did IMHO.

I'm fine with Spidey being young rash and making mistakes as long as he learns from those mistakes in the future and I'm fine with him being cooler but I just thought the character traveled into selfish hipster *****eland and never fully escaped that personality even in the sequel. I just wish Garfield would have downplayed the mumbling and ticks and I believe there was some goofy ad-libbing happening as well. It just didn't sit well with me.

I feel like I'm in the minority on not liking Garfield's version of the character and that's okay because I'm secure in my opinion.

I'm with you, for all the same reasons. On top of the character (and everything else) being poorly written, Garfield overplayed it in a big way.

 

[OcStat]

That wasn't Spidey losing his cool. No tempers were flaring there. That was him acting like an abusive a-hole. And even in the time period after Spidey lost Uncle Ben in the comics he never acted like this.

There's a few moments written by Todd McFarlane where he is a pretty big jerk to the criminals he webs up. That isn't to say those are exactly stories that need to be emulated, but the crew could have been looking at anything when it comes to source material. Conjecture, I know.

I can say watching the scene for the first time, it seemed Peter was getting carried away. He's being a jerk, and yeah, his temper isn't flaired, but he's clearly abusing his power. At that point, for all Peter knows, this could potentially be his Uncle's Killer. Remember the full scope of what he's doing as Spider-Man doesn't hit him till later in the movie, in the bridge.

Haven't watched the movie in a while but if I remember right there's a shot where Spidey cocks his head and a slight cue in the music emphasize the point (subtlety, it appears, was never Webb's thing). You can't see his expressions, but it's after he's wisecracking and basically bullying the dude. A split second where you are supposed to wonder if he's going to cross the line.

I'm fine with Spidey being young rash and making mistakes as long as he learns from those mistakes in the future and I'm fine with him being cooler but I just thought the character traveled into selfish hipster *****eland and never fully escaped that personality even in the sequel.

I feel like I'm in the minority on not liking Garfield's version of the character and that's okay because I'm secure in my opinion.

The way his character developed in the second movie definitely took a wrong turn somewhere. Those writers just did not get it. I like bits and pieces of Garfield's performance, (I'd think that'd be the opinion at large if anything), can't deny it is one of the high marks of the series. Every adaptation isn't going to capture the character perfectly, and won't please every body.

 

[The Joker]

The skateboard is just a groaner to me. I just hate it and I have nothing against skateboarding but I don't want to see Peter Parker do that.

I was in no way asking for a repeat of Spidey in the Raimi films as I can deal with and welcome different interpretations. I am not one of those people who wants the exact same interpretation every time but Sony could have done better than what they did IMHO.

I'm fine with Spidey being young rash and making mistakes as long as he learns from those mistakes in the future and I'm fine with him being cooler but I just thought the character traveled into selfish hipster *****eland and never fully escaped that personality even in the sequel. I just wish Garfield would have downplayed the mumbling and ticks and I believe there was some goofy ad-libbing happening as well. It just didn't sit well with me.

I feel like I'm in the minority on not liking Garfield's version of the character and that's okay because I'm secure in my opinion.

Hear hear

There's a few moments written by Todd McFarlane where he is a pretty big jerk to the criminals he webs up. That isn't to say those are exactly stories that need to be emulated, but the crew could have been looking at anything when it comes to source material. Conjecture, I know.

I can say watching the scene for the first time, it seemed Peter was getting carried away. He's being a jerk, and yeah, his temper isn't flaired, but he's also abusing his power. At that point, for all Peter knows, this could potentially be his Uncle's Killer. Remember the full scope of what he's doing as Spider-Man doesn't hit him till later in the movie, in the bridge.

Haven't watched the movie in a while but if I remember right there's a shot where Spidey cocks his head and a slight cue in the music emphasize the hints. You can't see his expressions, but it's after he's wisecracking and basically bullying the dude. A split second where you are supposed to wonder if he's going to cross the line.

Conjecture or not, if hypothetically they did what you suggest, emulating a rare out of character moment from the comics doesn't justify it as being a valid or good inspiration for the movie.

I didn't see this scene as Peter getting carried away. He was basically toying and tormenting the car thief from the moment he accosts him in the back seat. This is what puts people off. He is supposedly stopping a crime here and looking for justice for his Uncle's death, but he's acting like a *****e about it.

Everyone knows it's his Uncle's death and the realization that he let his killer run by him that makes him realize that with great power comes great responsibility (the immortal words we never hear in these movies) thus birthing a hero. But if we go by your theory this Peter didn't learn this lesson from that. He just slips on a mask and goes out acting like a vigilante *****e. So what ever way you look at it this version of the character leaves a bad taste. He even ends the movie by smiling and making a joke at the prospect of breaking a promise to a dead man.

Can you ever imagine Peter Parker doing that?

 

[OcStat]

Well, no, but the movies were never the "real" Peter Parker to me, that'd be the comic book. And even then, new writers step in and either drop the ball, or knock it out of the park. Maybe I don't care for every story but I just accept it as a day in the life of Spider-Man. The movies are the same thing, I just have to wait longer in between them.

I accept the series of events as the story this movie was telling. I can find enjoyment in some of what it tries to do if I don't particularly care for all of it. And I can keep hoping the next Spider-film turns out better than the last. Isn't that what we've all been doing since 2004?

 

[Nardz937]

Yeah, I re-watched the first ASM the other night and that occurred to me.

It's supposed to be his Uncle's killer and he's making jokes and playing with him. Complete garbage. The writing and logic in these movies were beyond awful.

Would have been a great scene that excellently displayed Spidey's humor, witt and ability to taunt opponents if it was with anybody else.

 

[AF3619]

Look at the stunt double for DeHaan's Goblin!

he kinda looks like Nick Cage

 

[craigdbfan]

That's the look of a terrible franchise coming to an end.

 

[Raphi]

I just spent about forty minutes reading some of the early reactions to ASM2 from fanboys in denial.

Absolutely hilarious.

OK OK, opinions blah blah blah, but I swear I don't know what movie some of these people were watching, and Spider-Man is my favourite superhero. I'll miss Garfield, but good riddance to this atrocious franchise.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

It really did remind me of that. They even gave him a skateboard, which was one of Poochie's trademarks.

If I remember correctly, it was Garfield who suggested the idea that Peter use a skateboard.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

If I remember correctly, it was Garfield who suggested the idea that Peter use a skateboard.

Webb could have and should have said no.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Webb could have and should have said no.

He could and should have said no to many things. Such as Max Dillon's visual design. All of which was a suggestion by Jamie Foxx.

But...I guess that goes back to why Webb was hired. Yes, man.

 

[Spider2099]

I wonder how much creative control was given to Marc Webb.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I read some interesting points elsewhere. (I don't dwell in movie discussions a lot of time). Describing the mess of the movie edit.

After peter refused to give harry his blood he meets with Gwen in the interview scene and he seemed conflicted about what's going on including the part about helping his best friend. he didn't even mention turning him down and when Harry was in his office with Felicia he seemed rather fine and mentioned about a spider helping him like it's as if Spider-Man never turned down the deal.

 

[Spider2099]

Wow. A mess indeed.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

That's the look of a terrible franchise coming to an end.

What's your rating for both movies now?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

If I remember correctly, it was Garfield who suggested the idea that Peter use a skateboard.

He's a young actor, he's supposed to say stupid things and the director is supposed to say no. It's not like Garfield was an A-lister who couldn't be refused.

 

[Spider2099]

Andrew: Marc Webb, if you don't let my version of Peter Parker have a skateboard, I'm going to quit!

Marc: Andrew, please... we can't lose you! You are such a big star and we NEED you! We'll use the skateboard.

Andrew: GOOD! I'll be in my trailer. Send my butler!

 

[Tacit Ronin]

He's a young actor, he's supposed to say stupid things and the director is supposed to say no.

Ya don't always have to be young. Christian Bale suggested the now infamous-for-its-horrid-ness batvoice.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Ya don't always have to be young. Christian Bale suggested the now infamous-for-its-horrid-ness batvoice.

True, the actor doesn't have to be young.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

He's a young actor, he's supposed to say stupid things and the director is supposed to say no. It's not like Garfield was an A-lister who couldn't be refused.

It's true you don't have to be young to make suggestions that aren't a good fit but if we're going by age, Marc is a young director. Not sure he was ready to be a leader, especially on a project like this one.

That being said, I don't think Marc had a clear understanding of the character. If anything, that's what led to issues with how Peter was perceived on screen.

 

[Nemeres]

Man, talk about sifting through the wreckage of a franchise. Imagine if you could go back to early 2014 and tell everyone how things would be one year from then.

 

[LizardMan07]

I don't know what's changed in a week. Unless a reboot invalidates a franchise?

 

[spiderman2]

I just spent about forty minutes reading some of the early reactions to ASM2 from fanboys in denial.

Absolutely hilarious.

OK OK, opinions blah blah blah, but I swear I don't know what movie some of these people were watching, and Spider-Man is my favourite superhero. I'll miss Garfield, but good riddance to this atrocious franchise.

While I find it absolutely hilarious that any body can find this movie bad has the movie was great and most of the complaints are just not true and its not that I cant hate something with sm has I hate the USM carton a lot. So I don't know what movie people saw has this movie is easly the second best sm movie yet an sm 3 has far more problems and far bigger problems and is easily the worst of the sm movies.

 

[Daltonio]

The thing I really think is hilarious is when people try to say that us fans of the movie are in denial. You don't speak for me. You can't read my mind.

I could just as easily say that you're in denial. You didn't like the movie because you didn't want to like the movie. You wanted Spidey in the MCU. That statement is no more or less valid than what you said.

But I don't say that. Because it's not true. You have your opinions and we have ours. But I'm not "in denial" about anything.

 

[Leenie]

I just realised how I would have ended this film. Clearly it was intended to be a trilogy, so I think a bleaker, less hopeful ending could have been awesome. Maybe in the grief of Gwen's death Peter gets the black suit and the final scene is him just ripping Rhinos armour to shreds with his bare hands. That would be a pretty intense ending in my opinion.

You know what I think would have been a much better ending than what was given?

Have the police find Spider-Man with Gwen's lifeless body, and accuse him of murder (murdering the late Captain's daughter, no less). Then, have the public opinion do a complete turn on him.

After that, show scenes of Peter taking a break from being Spider-Man, questioning if he really is doing any good for people or if people even need him at all. Then, tease the villain for the next movie; let the audience know that Spider-Man will be pushed to wear the costume again in the next film. After that, cut to the credits.

It would have been that classic, "Empire Strikes Back" formula for second installments in a film franchise: Leave the audience wanting more by showing the protagonist lose. Granted, this ending would have been pretty "Dark Knight"-esque, but it totally could have been done in a way that would not remind the general audience of TDK.