The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 2

[spider-neil]

The thing is that after a while, audiences will get tired of Spider-Man. They screwed up Spider-Man 3, and Amazing Spider-Man was a reboot. If the sequel to TASM doesn't do well, then after this franchise is over, whether a completed trilogy or not, we won't see a good Spider-Man movie for a very long time.

Which could also be good, because it could force Sony to sell the film rights back to Marvel... which would be nice.

True, ASM 2 is going to make or break the Spidey franchise.

 

[Just one more]

Ahh, well it's all subjective - I for one loved TASM's more comic-style rendition of Spidey, even if everything else wasn't completely perfect. I can understand why people would not like TASM in the same way that I've seen people around the 'net and RL having a complete hatred of Batman Begins, which has arguably led to the most successful rebooted franchise of all time. Whether it does the character justice is something that we'll only be able to completely tell when TASM's sequels come along, in the same way that TDK blew BB out of the water. A similar thing could happen here.

(And for the record, I for one did like Ang Lee's Hulk, and preferred it to Incredible. )

As much as I dislike TASM , I am starting to see the parallels to BB begins. I agree that the sequel is going to be the moment when it may turn around. The biggest problem though is re-doing characters still so fresh in people's minds such as GG and Doc. It was 19 years between Jack and Heath's jokers and I really don't remember too many people comparing the two. When GG and DO get re-castes, you can be sure the comparisons to Dafoe and Molina will be rampant on these boards. After all these characters are so iconic to SM that they really need to be done or things will seem even more off. That, I feel is the biggest obstacle.

Yay HULK!!

 

[SpiderMarvelite]

The movie is doing very well for what most called an "unnecessary reboot that will flop and suck reboot"

 

[TheLastBlade]

For me: Avengers?Amazing spiderman (I really need to see avengers a second time...) and the Dark Kinght Rises.... The only thing I liked was the set pieces... It was watchable, but i don't want to see it ever again...

On the subject of similaritys of sm1 and asm, I challenge them to see why it's even similar at all. I watch both of them and they're different...

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

The movie is doing very well for what most called an "unnecessary reboot that will flop and suck reboot"

Frankly... I would say it's performing on expectations. Nothing to get too excited about.

We all had a bit too much faith in the characters pulling power but it hasn't been a disaster.

 

[Jexx]

Er.. Just one more, I don't think that sony will be touching Doc Ock in this trilogy..

 

[Just one more]

You're probably right.

On a side note,

Spiderdevil Vs Lorus
We need an eating popcorn smiley haha

 

[Arach Knight]

Ultimately, this is becoming a fruitless debate. We live in a globalized society and people are complainimg about the domestic take for a film as if it has that much of impact. Columbia (an American studio owned by a Japanese parent company) is concerned with a bottom line. The film has grossed nearly three times its budget.

Even in the U.S., the film's take is above the budget. A sequel is already being developed with a May 2nd 2014 release date all set. Any more complaints about the domestic take really come off as petty and rooted in the spirit of nitpicking rather than objectivity or constructive criticism.

My closing comment is that I would hope that the film would reach at least $700 million. Otherwise, calling this film's performance a "disappointment" only serves as a model example of hyperbole. There are true flops out there like Jonah Hex (earned $10 million on a $47 million budget) and Green Lantern ($200 million budget and a worldwide gross of $219 million). Get some perspective people. Even on the internet, cynicism has its limits.

 

[Picard Sisko]

True, ASM 2 is going to make or break the Spidey franchise.

Yup. If the next movie fails, then the franchise is pretty much done (even if they do make a third movie. However, if the movie isn't that good, I hope it absolutely fails miserably so they can cancel the third film, and either decide to sell the rights to Marvel or just make a new Spider-Man film that has nothing to do with the Webb franchise.

 

[Anno_Domini]

The movie is doing very well for what most called an "unnecessary reboot that will flop and suck reboot"

"Unnecessary reboot that will flop and suck reboot". So I am assuming only illiterates said this.

I'd say the reboot is only doing well though, not very well. It's kicking ass outside of the US, but in the US, it's not doing that well and quite frankly, it's disappointing when it was topped by an animated film.

It certainly has its mistakes and I'm very much hoping for a much, much better sequel for sure. As I said it one other thread, if there isn't a sequel and if FOX screws up Webb's chance at continuing this series, TAS-M isn't a standalone film that I can watch because of all the plots it left opened for the further sequels.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I realize there's all these issues surrounding Webb's return to make another Spidey film, but has Webb himself said anything about his desire to return?

 

[I Am The Knight]

I realize there's all these issues surrounding Webb's return to make another Spidey film, but has Webb himself said anything about his desire to return?

Capone: You sidestepped a little in the press conference, but I want to ask directly: do you want to do more of these? Do you want to continue in this franchise?

MW: Listen, I do.

Capone: You introduce the Stacy saga. You have to see it through, Marc.

MW: I am so deeply invested in it, but it’s a massive time commitment and I have other things I'd like to do.

Capone: You’re still young. You’ve got lots of movies to go after these.

MW: [laughs] And it is really fun, and I love those guys and I’ve loved the movie. But it’s like asking a woman who has just given birth, “Do you want to get pregnant again?” I’m like, “Let me nurse the child.”

[Both Laugh]

MW: I’ve just consciously avoided getting to deep into it, because I just want to finish this and take a breath, but I do love the franchise and I love the people in it.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56838

 

[ALP]

It definitely seems to be side stepping it. Considering that Sony has the sequel for a 2014 release date, they don't have time for him to be coy. We'll find out soon enough if he's coming back or not. This isn't like the Batman films where you've got 3-4 years between them. Sony is trying to get the sequel done quickly.

 

[Arachnid]

Not knowing if Webb is coming back or not, and the script still in progress? It might be better if this movie was in 2015. I mean May 2014 is less than 2 years away. They started filming TASM 19 months prior to release. That means the sequel should start filming this October or November.

 

[AF3619]

Not knowing if Webb is coming back or not, and the script still in progress? It might be better if this movie was in 2015. I mean May 2014 is less than 2 years away. They started filming TASM 19 months prior to release. That means the sequel should start filming this October or November.

Agree with moving the date to 2015

 

[UltimateWebhead]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56838

Ahh, thanks man.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Not knowing if Webb is coming back or not, and the script still in progress? It might be better if this movie was in 2015. I mean May 2014 is less than 2 years away. They started filming TASM 19 months prior to release. That means the sequel should start filming this October or November.

Well do we have any idea how close the writers are to completing the script? I know a first draft was already completed, and Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci are touching it up or something. Spider-Man 2 came out only 2 years after the first movie and it was great, so it all depends.

Why don't they get the writer of Spider-Man 2, Alvin Sargent, to write the sequel?

 

[Bruce Malone]

Well do we have any idea how close the writers are to completing the script? I know a first draft was already completed, and Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci are touching it up or something. Spider-Man 2 came out only 2 years after the first movie and it was great, so it all depends.

Why don't they get the writer of Spider-Man 2, Alvin Sargent, to write the sequel?

I believe they started planning s2 before S1 even came out. No to mention there was no question that raimi would be back.

I think this is evident of the difference in roles webb and raimi have/had. Raimi was very much involved in every aspect of the films it seems like webb is mostly on the sideline for a lot of it.

 

[chaseter]

They did not start planning SM2 before SM1 was in theaters.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Loosen your tights there kid. I didn't say anything was wrong; just stating facts on why some would say TAS-M wasn't a big enough success as it wasn't that great domestically.

And Obviously the whole world resides in the United States

You say The Dark Knight and Spider-Man 2 are, but then you're not one of the critics that has said this about The Avengers or The Dark Knight Rises.

If a new CBM comes out and it turns out to be good,they will say the same about it aswell,they have a small memory

The Amazing Spider-Man, while a good film in its own right, was disappointing only because of Lizard, which, funny enough, is something I never complained about before the film was released and now having seen TAS-M twice, Lizard is the one thing that I didn't enjoy when watching the film.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Then again I've adressed this thing before in this thread, the funny thing to remember is that, the last Star Trek movie to gross domestically over 100 million was released back in 1986.

Accounted for Inflation,the 1986 movie made almost 270M domestically

 

[Spiderdevil]

In what way are they small? They may not prove to be the sole focus of any one scene but they are frequent almost to the degree of omnipresence and convey their point without fanfare, as people do in life. There may be no entire scene devoted to 'Steve is sad because he feels isolated and irrelevant' and nothing else, but the ideas and emotions radiate throughout. You cannot dismiss the impact of even one line.

Let me reframe my point
I dont want a Spider Man movie to have sole focus on Action and Humour like the Avengers

I'm not being biased. The relationship between Natasha and Clint isn't explored in any real detail but it at least establishes key facts. It tells us why they connect with each other, the reason they maintain the relationship and gives us an idea of how it may have started and been solidified.

We need more than just an Idea

Why does Peter trust Gwen with his secret?

A Teenage boy with powers would reveal them to the girl he likes.
Immature decision but Realistic

Why does she invite him round for dinner?

Because his Uncle died recently and she is trying to make him come out of the grief early

It was there for a laugh, but the laugh came as a result of drawing on a shared human experience and characterisation. It's further proof of Whedon understanding that all his characters can still feel real, even when fighting an alien invasion.

I dont see any 'Shared human experience' in that scene

Of course it is, spectacle without human reference point is terrible. That's why The Avengers was received completely differently than other films like Transformers, it's not because Whedon uses CGI 'better' than Bay, indeed he probably doesn't. TASM has no real claim to embracing 'more humanity' it's just more overt.

I made my point earlier on
Avengers has humanity,definitely a lot more than Transformers but the main focus is Action and Humour and while that looked good in TA,I dont want to see that in a Spider-Man movie
All aspects i.e Action,Humour,Drama and Emotion should get equal focus.Which is why I consider SM2 as a perfect comic book movie

Webb's too. You're not thinking straight if you believe Webb doesn't want children to see and enjoy his film.

But SM1 was a lot more kid friendly

Webb plays less shades with his characters and doesn't define them as strongly as Whedon does.

Disagree
But its all about opinions

You previously didn't count Steve's reaction to getting a Wizard of Oz reference as indicative of 'heart'. It was a moment of humour. You went on to say the intern being dragged out of Oscorp was also humour and had heart. I asked the difference.

To be honest,I dont remember that scene

That was the purpose of the subway and alarm clock breaking scenes. The bathroom was redundant and only served as humour.

Actually on the contrary,I felt that montage was great but ended quickly,should have been longer imo

 

[Spiderdevil]

I'd say the reboot is only doing well though, not very well. It's kicking ass outside of the US, but in the US, it's not doing that well and quite frankly, it's disappointing when it was topped by an animated film.

The last Ice Age movie grossed almost a billion so why are you so surprised?

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I think ASM accomplished what it needed to by surpassing Batman Begins in the box office. I understand it is a different time and a different issue (Spider-Man 3 vs Batman and Robin) but I agree with those saying ASM2 has the potential to be the best.

 

[hatebox]

I think ASM accomplished what it needed to by surpassing Batman Begins in the box office.

That's a pretty low bar you've set it, and it still might not beat BB's adjusted domestic total anyway.

Overseas figures have been decent enough to justify a sequel, but the movie will have to be much better to establish a strong franchise. At least BB made everyone who saw it excited for TDK. Can the same be said of TASM? It's debatable...