The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 2

[Jexx]

Maybe now that he has the formula for the webbing, he might be able to make it himself?

There is no 'formula', it's all woven by Spiders and then I assume that Oscorp binds the webs up into the bio-cable and packs it in the cartridges and ships it off to whoever buys it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Also, just because Avengers tried to be an epic spectacle doesn't make it a movie better or worse than films that strived for other things. People in here act like just because TASM tried to develop less characters to a greater degree makes it better instantly are flat out wrong, and I see this attitude all throughout the forum when people compare Avengers with whatever film they say they prefer. It's a flawed way of looking at films.

Not aimed at anyone in particular. Just a general thing.

 

[Picard Sisko]

There is no 'formula', it's all woven by Spiders and then I assume that Oscorp binds the webs up into the bio-cable and packs it in the cartridges and ships it off to whoever buys it.

Oh okay, makes sense. In a way, it is a bit more believable that he would get it from Oscorp rather than make it himself. But perhaps he will still learn how to develop the formula on his own. He would need to do so at some point considering he can't always depend on the company to supply it for him.

Perhaps Norman Osborn will get suspicious of Peter Parker and cut off his supply or something?

 

[Jexx]

Nah, Peter probably doesn't buy enough for him to become suspicious. I'd imagine that it would normally be bought in bulk.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Also, just because Avengers tried to be an epic spectacle doesn't make it a movie better or worse than films that strived for other things. People in here act like just because TASM tried to develop less characters to a greater degree makes it better instantly are flat out wrong, and I see this attitude all throughout the forum when people compare Avengers with whatever film they say they prefer. It's a flawed way of looking at films.

Not aimed at anyone in particular. Just a general thing.

You are right
Avengers was a spectacle and that doesnt make it less enjoyable,It was still a great movie which everybody definitely enjoyed

But I dont want a Spider Man movie written and shown in a similar fashion which is why I am against Marvel getting the rights

 

[Lorus]

Also, just because Avengers tried to be an epic spectacle doesn't make it a movie better or worse than films that strived for other things. People in here act like just because TASM tried to develop less characters to a greater degree makes it better instantly are flat out wrong, and I see this attitude all throughout the forum when people compare Avengers with whatever film they say they prefer. It's a flawed way of looking at films.

Not aimed at anyone in particular. Just a general thing.

I'm still not convinced that there is any great difference between the two in terms of what they tried to be. It's not that Avengers doesn't care about characters or emotions and wants nothing more than to dazzle you with spectacle. If it was, it wouldn't work as a film period.

In the same vein, Spider-Man isn't more focused on characters and emotions and less interested in spectacle. The two have to work in tandem in both films. To refer to the Avengers as just a spectacle is missing a lot of what makes the film work and to call Spider-Man 'something more' is shockingly vague.

That's my problem with the whole argument.

 

[Picard Sisko]

You are right
Avengers was a spectacle and that doesnt make it less enjoyable,It was still a great movie which everybody definitely enjoyed

But I dont want a Spider Man movie written and shown in a similar fashion which is why I am against Marvel getting the rights

I think Marvel should have the rights to Spider-Man. The Avengers was made into a spectacle since that's really all it could be. If they made a solo Spider-Man film, I'm sure they would be able to make one that is true to the comic book character.

I think that Spider-Man 2 should be used as an example of what a great Spider-Man film is.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You are right
Avengers was a spectacle and that doesnt make it less enjoyable,It was still a great movie which everybody definitely enjoyed

But I dont want a Spider Man movie written and shown in a similar fashion which is why I am against Marvel getting the rights

Marvel wouldn't make the same movie with Spider-Man that Avengers was. Avengers HAD to be spectacle because the team faces world ending threats, but IM1, Cap, Thor, and TIH were all stories about the characters themselves overcoming their issues and had clear personal journeys, and ones that resonated well with audiences. Spider-Man would get the same treatment.

 

[Spiderdevil]

I'm still not convinced that there is any great difference between the two in terms of what they tried to be. It's not that Avengers doesn't care about characters or emotions and wants nothing more than to dazzle you with spectacle. If it was, it wouldn't work as a film period.

In the same vein, Spider-Man isn't more focused on characters and emotions and less interested in spectacle. The two have to work in tandem in both films. To refer to the Avengers as just a spectacle is missing a lot of what makes the film work and to call Spider-Man 'something more' is shockingly vague.

That's my problem with the whole argument.

The only point in Avengers where you felt a tad bit emotional was when Coulsen died,and even at that point I felt nothing

TASM has a lot more heart than that

 

[Spiderdevil]

I think Marvel should have the rights to Spider-Man. The Avengers was made into a spectacle since that's really all it could be. If they made a solo Spider-Man film, I'm sure they would be able to make one that is true to the comic book character.

I think that Spider-Man 2 should be used as an example of what a great Spider-Man film is.

Marvel wouldn't make the same movie with Spider-Man that Avengers was. Avengers HAD to be spectacle because the team faces world ending threats, but IM1, Cap, Thor, and TIH were all stories about the characters themselves overcoming their issues and had clear personal journeys, and ones that resonated well with audiences. Spider-Man would get the same treatment.

That seems fair but Sony has made 3/4 excellent spider man movies and I trust them with the character
And lets face it,none of the solo marvel movies except Iron Man is comparable to SM1 and SM2.TASM has its Flaws but its Highs are still better than the Marvel Solo movies imo

And how is Sony's Spidey not true to his comic book character? Never got that complaint.One could say he is not that intelligent or a wiseass in Raimi's movies but every other superhero movie tends to miss an aspect or two about their character
Nolan's Batman for example,isnt a Martial Artist and a detective but still his movies are great

And another reason why I dont want Marvel to get the rights because I am getting the feeling that they will make a low Budget below par Spider man movie just for the sake of linking him to The Avengers,he will be reduced to a marketing tool to increase the hype for TA2 now that Marvel has tasted its success and know it can make far more profit from The Avengers series than solo movies.Just my opinion

And also I wouldnt like Spider Man in an Avengers movie,He is too big to share a screen with likes of Thor and CapAm,he will be reduced to look like a small fish alongside them and another one of those octopus arms and he is too good for that

 

[Lorus]

The only point in Avengers where you felt a tad bit emotional was when Coulsen died,and even at that point I felt nothing

TASM has a lot more heart than that

Emotional does not equal sad. Nobody would consider Avengers even slightly good if it aroused no emotions.

There are plenty of emotional moments in the Avengers, although there are more sad moments than just Coulson's stabbing. What on earth does 'heart' even mean in this context? Does it just mean what you consider sad? After all anecdotes only take you so far, ie, I felt more in the Avengers than in Spider-Man, in which I felt very little.

All people will experience emotions from films to a different degree. I see nothing in the craft of the Avengers which makes it less emotionally involving than Spider-Man.

 

[Spiderdevil]

There are plenty of emotional moments in the Avengers, although there are more sad moments than just Coulson's stabbing.

Like?

What on earth does 'heart' even mean in this context?

Like when he gets those eggs for Auntmay in the end and returns battered and bruised and they hug
Or that moment when he is sitting alone in his room after saving that kid and you could feel how much he misses his Father
Or when he listens to his Uncle's Voice mail in the end
Or when he goes after all those thugs in a rush of revenge
Or When CapStacy Dies and he asks Gwen to go away

Basically I mean the moments when you fell that Spider Man is a human aswell,he will face the same insecurities,pain or joy that we feel in contrast to a group of superheros fighting an alien force,the way it was shown,you cant relate to any of them and never feel their joy or sorrow

All people will experience emotions from films to a different degree.

Definitely

 

[Picard Sisko]

Marvel wouldn't make the same movie with Spider-Man that Avengers was. Avengers HAD to be spectacle because the team faces world ending threats, but IM1, Cap, Thor, and TIH were all stories about the characters themselves overcoming their issues and had clear personal journeys, and ones that resonated well with audiences. Spider-Man would get the same treatment.

I love when Doc Ock talks about how he met his wife Rosie on the college steps, and she talked about Poetry while he tried to explain advanced science. Great stuff. There was great chemistry between him and his wife, and you could see he was a true family man. With Connors, we knew nothing about his past other than the fact that he worked with Peter's father, and it almost felt like he was a guy who didn't care about his family.

 

[Anno_Domini]

But the others are
And I am not counting the Avengers since its a team movie

Because that makes sense?

 

[Picard Sisko]

The X-Men movies are team-up films...

same for Fantastic 4...

 

[Spiderdevil]

Because that makes sense?

Because we are talking about Marvel making the Solo Spider man movie so we have to see their track record with solo movies

 

[Spiderdevil]

The X-Men movies are team-up films...

same for Fantastic 4...

Dont know about that but if there is news about their rights going to Marvel,I'll be happy for those franchise since Marvel knows how to make team movies

On second thoughts,it would still be a difficult task since they would have to do their origins unlike TA in which the origins of the characters were already done away with

 

[Picard Sisko]

They did a great job with Iron Man. The Incredible Hulk was okay, but nothing really that special. Iron Man 2 felt like a trailer for the Avengers. Thor was alright. Captain America was good, but also felt like a trailer for the Avengers.

Let's see how they handle Iron Man 3, Thor 2, Captain America 2, and Ant-Man. I wish they were making another Hulk movie to be honest.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I don't get how IM2 and especially Cap, were trailers for The Avengers.

 

[Spiderdevil]

I don't get how IM2 and especially Cap, were trailers for The Avengers.

But there is good chance that the upcoming movies will be,since they have now seen the success they can get from the Avengers brand as compared to the solo movies

Because their solo movies,except Iron Man hardly earned anything.

 

[Picard Sisko]

What about Guardians of the Galaxy?

 

[I Am The Knight]

But there is good chance that the upcoming movies will be,since they have now seen the success they can get from the Avengers brand as compared to the solo movies

Because their solo movies,except Iron Man hardly earned anything.

I think that at this point the Avengers films sell themselves. But I'm curious to see how Marvel will handle the solo films from now on. I do expect a couple of cameos here and there.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I'm hoping that the new Thor and Captain America will be a little bit more solid than their predecessors.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Especially Thor. I loved the Cap.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I hated that montage scene though... we spend all of this time watching his origin story, and when he is finally Captain America, we get a montage.