The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 2

[spider-neil]

That's probably the best way to describe the films.

I think Nolan was on the right track in Batman Begins with giving Batman skills in the martial arts but that was taken out of the equation in the following sequels. And while trying to show some detective skills, it wasn't very true to the hero, and the Arkham games showed that aspect better.

Imo, I think the reboot should not use the character of Lucius Fox as that is Wayne's reliance with everything in Nolan's trilogy.

Basically watch the Arkham games, take the best aspects and put it on the big screen.

 

[©KAW]

Every so often I see, this thread turns into how hard we can stroke Batman's nuts.

 

[rayc1971]

Every so often I see, this thread turns into how hard we can stroke Batman's nuts.

true sometimes batman is mentioned more in this thread than the batman threads

 

[Arach Knight]

Anyone who truly believes that these studios make so little on massive revenues, is succumbing to willful naivety.

"...Hollywood sets up a separate corporation for each movie with the intent that this corporation will take on losses. The studio then charges the "film corporation" a huge fee (which creates a large part of the "expense" that leads to the loss). The end result is that the studio still rakes in the cash, but for accounting purposes the film is a money "loser" -- which matters quite a bit for anyone who is supposed to get a cut of any profits.

For example, a bunch of you sent in the example of how Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, under "Hollywood accounting," ended up with a $167 million "loss," despite taking in $938 million in revenue. This isn't new or surprising, but it's getting attention because the income statement for the movie was leaked online, showing just how Warner Bros. pulled off the accounting trick

In that statement, you'll notice the "distribution fee" of $212 million dollars. That's basically Warner Bros. paying itself to make sure the movie "loses money." There are some other fun tidbits in there as well. The $130 million in "advertising and publicity"? Again, much of that is actually Warner Bros. paying itself (or paying its own "properties"). $57 million in "interest"? Also to itself for "financing" the film. Even if we assume that only half of the "advertising and publicity" money is Warner Bros. paying itself, we're still talking about $350 million that Warner Bros. shifts around, which get taken out of the "bottom line" in the movie accounting"

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100708/02510310122.shtm

Here is some other informative reading on the subject. Don't be duped. This industry wouldn't thrive if the profit margins were spread so thin by that many hands in the pot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

http://www.deadline.com/2010/07/stu...ause-of-warner-bros-phony-baloney-accounting/

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2010/05/the_friday_podcast_angelina_sh.html

 

[Jexx]

I personally think that the Arkham games are the best adaptation of Batman so far, so I would love to see a movie that takes their tone and style.

My favorite adaptation of Spider-Man so far is the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon. I need to see TASM's sequel to accurately judge it against SSM (it does bother me that SSM pretty much copied Raimi's origin though :/).

 

[spider-neil]

That's interesting reading. Frankly, I think the notion that movie studios only make 15% from overseas BO, laughable.

 

[spider-neil]

I personally think that the Arkham games are the best adaptation of Batman so far, so I would love to see a movie that takes their tone and style.

My favorite adaptation of Spider-Man so far is the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon. I need to see TASM's sequel to accurately judge it against SSM (it does bother me that SSM pretty much copied Raimi's origin though :/).

SSM had the luxury of spreading out their plots over a full season. If anything they spread out their plotlines too far seeing as we never got to see Scorpion even though SSM had two seasons. But the tone of the show was perfect. After JL/JLU, SSM is my favorite animated series of all time.

 

[Jexx]

Yea, the cartoon can go into more detail, and so can games.

Although, I have to be honest, if you asked me right now TASM would be in 2nd place as a Spider-Man adaptation for myself. I just really liked the movie :P

 

[spider-neil]

Yea, the cartoon can go into more detail, and so can games.

Although, I have to be honest, if you asked me right now TASM would be in 2nd place as a Spider-Man adaptation for myself. I just really liked the movie :P

I wanted greater exploration of the powers (which to be SSM doesn't delve into either)

I wanted a stronger (motivation) villian, which they can fix in the sequel.

but I loved the TONE of ASM. I liked ASM better than SM but I didn't have the sheer elation I felt with SM2 but being fair SM2 didn't have to tell the origin of the hero.

 

[Arach Knight]

That's interesting reading. Frankly, I think the notion that movie studios only make 15% from overseas BO, laughable.

Pretty much. That would be like Best Buy making more money from selling an HP laptop than HP itself makes. No sound company could survive on paying out so much of the revenue that they themselves wind up with the smallest portion of revenues. Movie studios complained about Apple taking 30% for films sold through iTunes (leaving the studio with 70%). And people some how believe that these same studios are handing over everything to movie theaters and distributors to where they only get 15%?

 

[©KAW]

Pretty much. That would be like Best Buy making more money from selling an HP laptop than HP itself makes. No sound company could survive on paying out so much of the revenue that they themselves wind up woth the smallest portion of revenues. Movie studios complained about Apple taking 30% for films sold through iTunes (leaving the studio with 70%). And people some how believe that these same studios are handing over everything to movie theaters and distributors to where they only get 15%?

True. But if you're a Sam Raimi fan and you want to make it seem like TASM is a failure, you'll believe it. Hell, Sony saved about 100M dollars by getting rid of Raimi, Tobey and Dunst. Those two were apart of the DVD/Box Office cume, besides getting their huge ass salaries for hamming and cheesing it up for three films.

 

[JKKS085]

Pretty much. That would be like Best Buy making more money from selling an HP laptop than HP itself makes. No sound company could survive on paying out so much of the revenue that they themselves wind up woth the smallest portion of revenues. Movie studios complained about Apple taking 30% for films sold through iTunes (leaving the studio with 70%). And people some how believe that these same studios are handing over everything to movie theaters and distributors to where they only get 15%?

It's not hanging over 85% of the gross to theaters and distributors since studios get in fact 40 to 45% back (wich is on the lower side of what they can get domestically). But you have to deduce the extra-budget studios actually spend to showcase a movie overseas.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Every so often I see, this thread turns into how hard we can stroke Batman's nuts.

No. You're the only one thinking about Batman's nuts.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Nice post, Arach Knight (cool user name too).

 

[Anno_Domini]

Nice post, Arach Knight (cool user name too).

Just read your sig.

 

[DeathChill]

I still have a hard time thinking that anyone truly believes movie studios are only getting 15% overseas. The masters of accounting are willingly letting go the majority of their money? No.

 

[Arach Knight]

True. But if you're a Sam Raimi fan and you want to make it seem like TASM is a failure, you'll believe it. Hell, Sony saved about 100M dollars by getting rid of Raimi, Tobey and Dunst. Those two were apart of the DVD/Box Office cume, besides getting their huge ass salaries for hamming and cheesing it up for three films.

I actually still enjoy the first two films, though I agree with your assessment of the tone. Some parts of the films were a bit hammy, even for Spider-Man. Also, that is an interesting observation as far as the possibility of some posters having a strong desire to see this film fail. As a Spider-Man fan first, I'd rather see the film succeed than to malign it because of my enjoyment of its predecessors.

Nice post, Arach Knight (cool user name too).

Thank you. Nods to the old McFarlene run on adjectiveless Spider-Man. The first issue is from where I took the name.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I personally think that the Arkham games are the best adaptation of Batman so far, so I would love to see a movie that takes their tone and style.

My favorite adaptation of Spider-Man so far is the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon. I need to see TASM's sequel to accurately judge it against SSM (it does bother me that SSM pretty much copied Raimi's origin though :/).

The best Spider-Man adaption IMO has always been the 90s animated series. It was just perfect (aside from the ending).

 

[spider-neil]

The best Spider-Man adaption IMO has always been the 90s animated series. It was just perfect (aside from the ending).

SSM (imho) is better, Spidey is funnier, the supporting cast is better, villians have better motivations. The 90's cartoon looks better but that's about it.

 

[chaseter]

The best Spider-Man adaption IMO has always been the 90s animated series. It was just perfect (aside from the ending).

 

[Picard Sisko]

SSM (imho) is better, Spidey is funnier, the supporting cast is better, villians have better motivations. The 90's cartoon looks better but that's about it.

It had major story arcs throughout the entire series, featured many great villains from the start, nailed the Venom Saga, had great voice actors, etc.

 

[Picard Sisko]

 

[spider-neil]

Venom Saga
SSM v 90's - winnah = 90's

Night of the Lizard
SSM v 90's - winnah = SSM

Sinester Six
SSM v 90's - winnah = SSM

 

[Picard Sisko]

I still prefer the 90s series as a whole but to each his own!

I made a threat about animated series in the Spidey-World section, check it out!

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=24065283#post24065283

 

[spider-neil]

I still prefer the 90s series as a whole but to each his own!

I made a threat about animated series in the Spidey-World section, check it out!

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=24065283#post24065283

I own both series on DVD. SSM season 2 cost me a fortune as I had to get the individual DVDs. Given up hope for Blu ray