The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man (First Reactions: Critics, Fans) (Spoiler Alert) - Part 9

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[Leenie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j4ZXKXe32w&feature=g-all-u

ohhh the amount of dislikes... way to go IGNorant

I think that's a pretty fair review. I haven't seen the movie, so I might not end up agreeing with it, but the reviewer didn't completely bash it fanboy style. He DID talk about the things he liked about the film! He didn't even say that he hated the movie. He said it was OK.

Seemed like a pretty honest review to me.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think that's a pretty fair review. I haven't seen the movie, so I might not end up agreeing with it, but the reviewer didn't completely bash it fanboy style. He DID talk about the things he liked about the film! He didn't even say that he hated the movie. He said it was OK.

Seemed like a pretty honest review to me.

Honesty will not be tolerated by some. We are talking Youtube after all.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

I think that's a pretty fair review. I haven't seen the movie, so I might not end up agreeing with it, but the reviewer didn't completely bash it fanboy style. He DID talk about the things he liked about the film! He didn't even say that he hated the movie. He said it was OK.

Seemed like a pretty honest review to me.

a honest review for sure, but it really ticks me that he's saying that this universe copies Nolan's Batman... Spidey's universe isn't that lighthearted, only the character of Spider-Man is

 

[hatebox]

If the film markets itself as 'the untold story' and then feels like a retread, criticism is deserved. No art is created in a vacuum and ever judged entirely on its own merit, that'd be impossible. All art borrows from something that went before.

Personally I hope it's a good movie and look forward to seeing it, but critics have the right to see this in the context of the Raimi films.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

a honest review for sure, but it really ticks me that he's saying that this universe copies Nolan's Batman... Spidey's universe isn't that lighthearted, only the character of Spider-Man is

Nolan's Batman is something different for both film and comic Batman, and in fact comics and comics on film in general. We aren't talking simply the character of Spidey in the comics here or the world he inhabits. Nolan's Batman world works in a space all its own. When another film "tries" to occupy that space, it shows.

 

[Leenie]

Nolan's Batman is something different for both film and comic Batman, and in fact comics and comics on film in general. We aren't talking simply the character of Spidey in the comics here or the world he inhabits. Nolan's Batman world works in a space all its own. When another film "tries" to occupy that space, it shows.

Agreed. If I get the slightest hint of the movie trying to "occupy that space," I will not be a happy camper.

I love Spider-Man. He's always been my favorite superhero (hell, my favorite fictional character, period), and there's a reason for that. Spidey and his universe have merit. Let that universe stand on its own and be proud for what it is. There are plenty of things these movies can do to keep it fresh and engaging for today's audience. I don't want it to try to be something else, whether it's Nolan's Batman or a rehash of Raimi's Spider-Man. Spidey deserves something new and shiny!

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Nolan's Batman is something different for both film and comic Batman, and in fact comics and comics on film in general. We aren't talking simply the character of Spidey in the comics here or the world he inhabits. Nolan's Batman world works in a space all its own. When another film "tries" to occupy that space, it shows.

This film isn't trying to be Nolan's Spider-man... It's fine to criticize if the movie feels like the first Spider-man movie again, but complaining about the universe that it's copying Nolan is criticizing for the wrong reasons

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This film isn't trying to be Nolan's Spider-man... It's fine to criticize if the movie feels like the first Spider-man movie again, but complaining about the universe that it's copying Nolan is criticizing for the wrong reasons

You have seen this film? Fine. I haven't.

But this isn't the first review to compare or mention Begins or Nolan's Batman in general, which tells me something. Spider-Man doesn't belong in that world. Really, no other superhero does. That is kind of the point.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Basically people are giving a movie they concede is a decent and serviceable film rotten scores simply because they always disliked the idea of a reboot or re-done origin.

That doesn't seem fair to me.

If it's a decent movie you should give it a lower fresh rating. Bad movies deserve rotten scores, not decent movies.

 

[SpideyFan92]

guys..batman begins had 39 rotten reviews but its still at 85% percent

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

There have been plenty of serious, grounded, darker, realistic and relatable Spider-man stories, so the idea that those elements don't fit Spider-man at all are completely false.

Sam Raimi had Spider-man humorless and the world around him humorous.

Marc Webb has Spider-man humorous and the world around him humorless.

I think the latter is a valid concept that doesn't betray the character.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Basically people are giving a movie they concede is a decent and serviceable film rotten scores simply because they always disliked the idea of a reboot or re-done origin.

That doesn't seem fair to me.

If it's a decent movie you should give it a lower fresh rating. Bad movies deserve rotten scores, not decent movies.

Decent and serviceable equal good now?

In that case, most films should have 100% RT ratings.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

guys..batman begins had 39 rotten reviews but its still at 85% percent

It's funny reading those now after Nolan blew up and everyone accepts Batman Begins as some kind of masterpiece.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There have been plenty of serious, grounded, darker, realistic and relatable Spider-man stories, so the idea that those elements don't fit Spider-man at all are completely false.

Sam Raimi had Spider-man humorless and the world around him humorous.

Marc Webb has Spider-man humorous and the world around him humorless.

I think the latter is a valid concept that doesn't betray the character.

You are missing the point completely. Nolan's Batman world is unique on screen. Once you start trying to be like it, it will be become apparent.

You can throw all the comic stories you want at me. I can almost guarantee you none feel like Nolan's Batman. No Batman comic feels just like Nolan's Batman.

It's funny reading those now after Nolan blew up and everyone accepts Batman Begins as some kind of masterpiece.

Are you saying it isn't? It clearly has problem, but it is only second to its own sequel.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Decent and serviceable equal good now?

In that case, most films should have 100% RT ratings.

By your black and white standard the opposite is true and every decent movie should have a 0% RT rating.

My point is movies should get rotten scores from people who DIDN'T think they were decent, not by people who admitted they were decent.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

By your black and white standard the opposite is true and every decent movie should have a 0% RT rating.

My point is movies should get rotten scores from people who DIDN'T think they were decent, not by people who admitted they were decent.

I honestly think it should depend on the writer and what they submit. You will always have those select few that want to play with the RT score and nothing more, but by in large it works.

The only ones that get really nitpicky are the fans. I remember recently people complaining about Roger Ebert's system, which he has used for decades, not understanding that **1/2 stars didn't mean above average.

 

[Leenie]

I'd like to think of "decent" and "serviceable" as a C-grade. It's not a failure like an F, but it's not great like an A.

If The Amazing Spider-Man receives a letter grade of a C, then it's not that good of a movie. It's not a trainwreck, but it's not particularly good, and it's not going to leave much of an impression.

If that's how some critics are describing the movie, then that's not a very good review, in my opinion.

("Not a very good review" as in "not a good movie," not how the reviews are articulated/written themselves. FYI.)

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

You are missing the point completely. Nolan's Batman world is unique on screen. Once you start trying to be like it, it will be become apparent.

You can throw all the comic stories you want at me. I can almost guarantee you none feel like Nolan's Batman. No Batman comic feels just like Nolan's Batman.

Maybe you're missing the point.

The Nolan comparison is extreme. A movie isn't copying Nolan's Batman or Nolan's storytelling simply by being grounded. Maybe the tone might be similar to some extent but beyond that they ASM is still 100% Spider-man.

Are there Spider-man comics like Nolan's Batman movies, not at all.

Are there Spider-man comics similar to ASM, of course.

Are you saying it isn't? It clearly has problem, but it is only second to its own sequel.

Batman Begins is not a perfect masterpiece. It got a boost in reputation from TDK's popularity. Most people thought is was good but not Earth-shattering awesome when it first came out.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

I'm actually surprised Scott didn't like it because he was excited for the movie for a while. But after reading his review, I completely understand where he was coming from although I haven't seen it. I know a few of his colleagues on IGN don't agree with him but that's the nature of the beast. For instance, their comics editor had this to say:

Joey Esposito ‏@joeyesposito
@JuanSam26 it definitely FEELS more like spidey than any of the others. dramatically, spidey 2 is still champ. better than 1 and 3 though.

Joey Esposito ‏@joeyesposito
@mksystem74 it's good. if you can get past the "same ground" as spidey 1 it's a good time. and better.

Joey Esposito ‏@joeyesposito
@iJackSparrow agreed. unfair to judge it based on it being done before. As an origin, it's solid and FAR better than spidey 1

Joey Esposito ‏@joeyesposito
Full Spidey thoughts in blog form tomorrow. Going to sleep to dream of my new desktop wallpaper. http://bit.ly/NAutLU #NotAshamed

LOL really tried to read Capone's review but I just had to skim it because he had a spoiler tag on the review but I'm glad to hear he liked it.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I honestly think it should depend on the writer and what they submit. You will always have those select few that want to play with the RT score and nothing more, but by in large it works.

The only ones that get really nitpicky are the fans. I remember recently people complaining about Roger Ebert's system, which he has used for decades, not understanding that **1/2 stars didn't mean above average.

Well that mathematically 2.5/4 is equal to a C-.

If C is average then a C+ (McWeeney's score) is slightly above average.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Maybe you're missing the point.

The Nolan comparison is extreme. A movie isn't copying Nolan's Batman or Nolan's storytelling simply by being grounded. Maybe the tone might be similar to some extent but beyond that they ASM is still 100% Spider-man.

Are there Spider-man comics like Nolan's Batman movies, not at all.

Are there Spider-man comics similar to ASM, of course.

Again I haven't see it yet. I shall see soon enough. But I think you are missing what exactly makes Nolan's Batman different. It isn't simply about grounded storytelling. It is the world crafted. Not sure what the ASM would share a tone with a Nolan Batman film.

Batman Begins is not a perfect masterpiece. It got a boost in reputation from TDK's popularity. Most people thought is was good but not Earth-shattering awesome when it first came out.

There is no such thing as a perfect masterpiece. Though, I have personally loved Begins since it came out. Was my favorite until TDK. So whatever revisions others have had, isn't really my problem.

Well that mathematically 2.5/4 is equal to a C-.

If C is average then a C+ (McWeeney's score) is slightly above average.

Ebert has held the threshold at *** for a very long time now. All you have to do is read his reviews to understand that. Not being able to comprehend that is on the person.

 

[Splat]

I'm going to see it but I'm really disappointed the whole movie is an origin story. The Incredible Hulk got it right by telling the origin in a short montage in the opening credits.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'd like to think of "decent" and "serviceable" as a C-grade. It's not a failure like an F, but it's not great like an A.

If The Amazing Spider-Man receives a letter grade of a C, then it's not that good of a movie. It's not a trainwreck, but it's not particularly good, and it's not going to leave much of an impression.

If that's how some critics are describing the movie, then that's not a very good review, in my opinion.

("Not a very good review" as in "not a good movie," not how the reviews are articulated/written themselves. FYI.)

A C+ is slightly above average.

slightly above average =/= rotten