Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 51

[Webfoot Hero]

I think mods should just use this from now on in any MCU thread that needs to be reminded of language, instead of the typical mod reminders.

 

[Vartha]

Did anyone get the Avengers collectible cups at the theater concession stand when they saw the movie, and are they only available for the opening weekend or will they be at the concession stand the entire time at the movie is in theaters?

All our theaters had was this Popcorn tin. Got mine a few days before when I got my ticket

 

[Picard Stewart]

While film can be looked at as a director's medium, it can also be a producer's medium if the movies are being created to build a larger universe, like what the MCU is doing. Director-oriented films work best if the goal is to create one-off, highly conceptualized pieces. Since that is not what is being done in the MCU, the producer/film studio president (Feige) is the one running the show, creating the general outline and shape of the universe with the directors being the ones who flesh out the finer details while fitting into that outline Feige gives them.

Here's the thing. The MCU wouldn't exist without good directors. Favreau, Whedon, The Russos, Gunn...

It however could exist without Feige and the suits.

Producers and studio executives aren't artists.

 

[Vartha]

I think mods should just use this from now on in any MCU thread that needs to be reminded of language, instead of the typical mod reminders.

I was just thinking that myself lol Thing is, if you reduce that TOO much in size you loose the type. Something LIKE it could be made I guess but smaller

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Here's the thing. The MCU wouldn't exist without good directors. Favreau, Whedon, The Russos, Gunn...

It however could exist without Feige and the suits.

Producers and studio executives aren't artists.

Actually it wouldn't because then you wouldn't have anyone steering the ship in one general direction and plotting out a course to get these characters all together in one shared universe. I can tell you really don't like producers and studio executives because you seem to not see them having an important role in film making.

 

[Picard Stewart]

Actually it wouldn't because then you wouldn't have anyone steering the ship in one general direction and plotting out a course to get these characters all together in one shared universe. I can tell you really don't like producers and studio executives because you seem to not see them having an important role in film making.

Film is an art form made possible by artists - not by the businessmen who make millions off the artists.

An artist can make millions without the suits. The suits can't.

 

[Silvermoon]

While film can be looked at as a director's medium, it can also be a producer's medium if the movies are being created to build a larger universe, like what the MCU is doing. Director-oriented films work best if the goal is to create one-off, highly conceptualized pieces. Since that is not what is being done in the MCU, the producer/film studio president (Feige) is the one running the show, creating the general outline and shape of the universe with the directors being the ones who flesh out the finer details while fitting into that outline Feige gives them. There's nothing wrong with having a corporate way and a director's way because there are times and places for both in the film industry.

Indeed, it's pretty much the way every tv show is run - you have the showrunners that oversee the overall direction of a season - make sure things stay on track and get to where they need to go - even though each episode might have a different director. The MCU is a very big, very expensive long running series. If no one were guiding it/keeping it on track and making sure things follow the desired path, we wouldn't have the connectivity we have and it would probably feel like a disjointed mess with continuity errors all over the place *cough*X-MenFranchise*cough* (don't get me wrong, I love the X-Men films, but they could benefit from someone having a better scope of the overall vision and having made sure all the films met certain requirements - and they're not even juggling as much as the MCU is juggling)

I was just thinking that myself lol Thing is, if you reduce that TOO much in size you loose the type. Something LIKE it could be made I guess but smaller

Maybe make it more of a horizontal banner image than a vertical image?

 

[Hurm...]

Why should he keep quiet? He didn't get to do the movie he wanted even after he made them $1.5 Billion with the first one. They should have given him complete control. This is classic corporate crap getting in the way of the art-form.

Favreau went from a movie that no critic had the balls to bash to one pretty much every critic felt was mediocre.

Here we are five years after IM2 & its Whedon in Favreau's shoes now with a movie everyone agrees is a step down from the first.

I'm glad he's venting and exposing they're incessant meddling which never amounts to anything good.

YES. Thank you.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Film is an art form made possible by artists - not by the businessmen who make millions off the artists.

An artist can make millions without the suits. The suits can't.

Film is also part of a business (one in which Marvel Studios and their MCU is a major player in the industry) so sometimes you need those types to run it. I know we're not going to see eye-to-eye on this based on our conversation so far but I do think it bears pointing out that your idea of how all films should be made is not the only way.

 

[Ryu_do_Sen]

Actually it wouldn't because then you wouldn't have anyone steering the ship in one general direction and plotting out a course to get these characters all together in one shared universe. I can tell you really don't like producers and studio executives because you seem to not see them having an important role in film making.

Ya, as much as I don't like them either, they do have a place in the filmmaking business. They most of time get to edit or have the final say on the editing process of the movie. And that's fine. Cinema, like theater, is a colaborative art form. So it has these inconveniences.

Having said that, I think that they have to give to some directors free reign because they are full fledged artists. And most of the times, they see things that no one can see or that no one can understand the beauty of it. Whedon, for me, fits into that category because he wanted to do things that were not formulaic and new to this cinematic universe.

 

[Flint Marko]

Why should he keep quiet? He didn't get to do the movie he wanted even after he made them $1.5 Billion with the first one. They should have given him complete control. This is classic corporate crap getting in the way of the art-form.



Favreau went from a movie that no critic had the balls to bash to one pretty much every critic felt was mediocre.

Here we are five years after IM2 & its Whedon in Favreau's shoes now with a movie everyone agrees is a step down from the first.

I'm glad he's venting and exposing they're incessant meddling which never amounts to anything good.

First of all Joss has said on more than one occasion that this movie is "his baby" and that is extremely evident in the final product. He came in sort of late in the game in the first one, and had a pre-existing script and made what was already there work. This second go-round has Whedon's finger prints all over it, much more so than the first one. Marvel meddles in their movies, sure, but most film makers that have worked with them have said they are easy to work with and receptive to ideas as long as certain check marks have been met. This "incessant meddling" amounted to a coherent universe that makes billions of dollars every year since 2012. I get that people want to paint Marvel as the bad guy, and I'm not going to defend them too hard, but it's what you have to do to set up a universe. Someone has to make some tough calls every now and then.

 

[PWN3R]

All this anti-Whedon hate... I can't even begin to understand. I hope he knows that he is loved. No matter what, he has given so much to the MCU and I will always be grateful to him.

 

[warhorse78]

All our theaters had was this Popcorn tin. Got mine a few days before when I got my ticket

Where did you get that? My cousin loves collecting these things, and there were none at the theater we went to.

 

[Flint Marko]

Film is also part of a business (one in which Marvel Studios and their MCU is a major player in the industry) so sometimes you need those types to run it. I know we're not going to see eye-to-eye on this based on our conversation so far but I do think it bears pointing out that your idea of how all films should be made is not the only way.

Fiege has been the number one most important creative force in the MCU and he's a producer. They are mindful of both the business and the creative side, and when you get someone who's as good as it as Fiege, it shows in the final product.

All this anti-Whedon hate... I can't even begin to understand. I hope he knows that he is loved. No matter what, he has given so much to the MCU and I will always be grateful to him.

Most of the "hate" aimed his way is against the tea-party equivalent of the left-winged, as Patton Oswalt described it. No one should take it seriously. They are mad about whatever he did to BW.

 

[Picard Stewart]

Fiege has been the number one most important creative force in the MCU and he's a producer. They are mindful of both the business and the creative side, and when you get someone who's as good as it as Fiege, it shows in the final product.

You think Feige is the #1 creative force in this franchise? He's a producer, dude. He couldn't direct a trailer for Avengers.

Favreau, Whedon, Gunn, The Russos... every filmmaker who gave it his all to adapt these Marvel characters is #1. Not some producer who drove off Norton, Favreau Jenkins, Wright and now Whedon.

People forget Feige is the #1 suit at Marvel Studios. When Whedon says "they had me so beaten down" he means Feige and co.

 

[galmorzu]

https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/age-of-ultron
"You know what Marvel should have done? They should have let Natasha be a strong female character without throwing in a damn romance we didn’t even want. If they didn’t want to give us Clintasha they should have just let her keep holding her own as she was, without resorting to a dagblasted love story. That’s what makes me the most angry about this film. Natasha was doing just fine as a compelling character when she was a single lady assassin in the last three films. If they gave us some Clintasha and kept her character none of us would have minded. But instead they re- wrote her character and threw her after Banner. "

Is this really a thing now? If a female character is in any kind of relationship it's, by default, the greatest affront to feminism? Are people going too far with this now, to say that proper feminism is saying "real" women don't have relationships or any kind of desire for partnership or intimate, physical contact with another? Because I know plenty of very strong, inspiring women who, by their very own admission, love their relationships with others, whether deep, loving romantic ones or fun, brief ones...

Or is it sexist because the writer "forced" the female character into a relationship instead of letting the fictional character choose one for themselves?

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Is this really a thing now? If a female character is in any kind of relationship it's, by default, the greatest affront to feminism? Are people going too far with this now, to say that proper feminism is saying "real" women don't have relationships or any kind of desire for partnership or intimate, physical contact with another? Because I know plenty of very strong, inspiring women who, by their very own admission, love their relationships with others, whether deep, loving romantic ones or fun, brief ones...

Or is it sexist because the writer "forced" the female character into a relationship instead of letting the fictional character choose one for themselves?

I'm willing to bet that they don't even fully know why they're complaining. To me, this sounds like people saying or thinking out loud before fully understanding what they're railing for or against.

 

[hafizbat]

First of all Joss has said on more than one occasion that this movie is "his baby" and that is extremely evident in the final product. He came in sort of late in the game in the first one, and had a pre-existing script and made what was already there work. This second go-round has Whedon's finger prints all over it, much more so than the first one. Marvel meddles in their movies, sure, but most film makers that have worked with them have said they are easy to work with and receptive to ideas as long as certain check marks have been met. This "incessant meddling" amounted to a coherent universe that makes billions of dollars every year since 2012. I get that people want to paint Marvel as the bad guy, and I'm not going to defend them too hard, but it's what you have to do to set up a universe. Someone has to make some tough calls every now and then.

All this anti-Whedon hate... I can't even begin to understand. I hope he knows that he is loved. No matter what, he has given so much to the MCU and I will always be grateful to him.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Mysteryman]

Is this really a thing now? If a female character is in any kind of relationship it's, by default, the greatest affront to feminism? Are people going too far with this now, to say that proper feminism is saying "real" women don't have relationships or any kind of desire for partnership or intimate, physical contact with another? Because I know plenty of very strong, inspiring women who, by their very own admission, love their relationships with others, whether deep, loving romantic ones or fun, brief ones...

Or is it sexist because the writer "forced" the female character into a relationship instead of letting the fictional character choose one for themselves?

I think some people thought that Natasha was dependent on Bruce.
Personally, I didn't get that impression at all.

 

[Raiden]

Film is an art form made possible by artists - not by the businessmen who make millions off the artists.

An artist can make millions without the suits. The suits can't.

If MCU is being run by a bunch of filmmakers who all have their own vision of the direction of this cinematic universe, their movies will inevitably clashed and became disjointed into a hot mess. But I guess you just want the MCU movies to be stand alone rather than part of an ongoing saga, right?

 

[Picard Stewart]

If MCU is being run by a bunch of filmmakers who all have their own vision of the direction of this cinematic universe, their movies will inevitably clashed became disjointed into a hot mess. But I guess you just want the MCU movies to be stand alone rather than part of an ongoing saga, right?

No, I want the suits to let the artists create art. When The Russos are up let them work. When Derrickson is up let Derrickson work. When Gunn is up let Gunn work.

You hire these people because they're good at what they do so let them do it.

 

[hafizbat]

All this talk of execs vs artists and Marvel not letting Whedon do his thing are completely silly. This quote from Joss should say it all.

"I’m now coming out the other side, realizing that once again, for all its many varied and soon to be heralded flaws, it’s my movie,” he said. “It’s the movie I set out to make. And I have the honor of saying, it’s ******* bonkers. So there’s that."

In fact, people should read the whole article.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/j...ing-soul-crushing-marvel-adventure#.brbw8NNv1

 

[Flint Marko]

All this talk of execs vs artists and Marvel not letting Whedon do his thing are completely silly. This quote from Joss should say it all.



In fact, people should read the whole article.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/j...ing-soul-crushing-marvel-adventure#.brbw8NNv1

 

[Webfoot Hero]

All this talk of execs vs artists and Marvel not letting Whedon do his thing are completely silly. This quote from Joss should say it all.



In fact, people should read the whole article.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/j...ing-soul-crushing-marvel-adventure#.brbw8NNv1

I've posted this article and a couple more like it before but I think it bears repeating that for all the talk about it not being his movie, he's admitted that AoU is him as a filmmaker in a nutshell.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

No, I want the suits to let the artists create art. When The Russos are up let them work. When Derrickson is up let Derrickson work. When Gunn is up let Gunn work.

You hire these people because they're good at what they do so let them do it.

And for the most part, they have. It's not exactly like Feige is micromanaging them to death while they're filming, which what you're making it seem like he's done on every film.