Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 52

[Vartha]

I just hate that it was chopped to bits

 

[First Avenger]

I'll never get people calling Ultron a comedian for,what?4 one-liners?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I laughed at the one week of Ultron jab. It's profoundly true. Not just the fact that it's not much of an age, but also the fact that other than Sokovia and South Korea, other nations did not even feel Ultron's so called age. An age should be all encompassing or something. When Skynet takes over and destroys almost all of humanity, that is an age. An age should be a change in status quo, not limited to weeks in a small city somewhere.

 

[superboy13]

I laughed at the one week of Ultron jab. It's profoundly true. Not just the fact that it's not much of an age, but also the fact that other than Sokovia and South Korea, other nations did not even feel Ultron's so called age. An age should be all encompassing or something. When Skynet takes over and destroys almost all of humanity, that is an age. An age should be a change in status quo, not limited to weeks in a small city somewhere.

But that's exactly what Ultron was set on doing. Hence, the title. That it didn't came about is irrelevant.

 

[Iceman]

It never happened so it's not an age. If I try and do the same thing and get clobbered by the cops 5 minutes later that also is not an age, it's 5 minutes and a failed attempted at creating an age.

 

[superboy13]

It never happened so it's not an age. If I try and do the same thing and get clobbered by the cops 5 minutes later that also is not an age, it's 5 minutes and a failed attempted at creating an age.

It wasn't, but the "Age of Ultron" was his plan. Where is it written that the title of the movie has to be literally what happens during the film?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

But Skynet actually did it. Then the rest of the movie was a chase to undo it. Why would you name the title after something that did not happen? Imagine if the Assassination of Jesse James was called the befriending of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford? Because that was his initial goal. Or The Dark Knight was Batman Ends. Because Batman was trying to retire by giving all his responsibilites to Harvey Dent

 

[superboy13]

But Skynet actually did it. Then the rest of the movie was a chase to undo it. Why would you name the title after something that did not happen? Imagine if the Assassination of Jesse James was called the befriending of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford? Because that was his initial goal. Or The Dark Knight was Batman Ends. Because Batman was trying to retire by giving all his responsibilites to Harvey Dent.

Your logic does not resemble our Earth logic.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Your logic does not resemble our Earth logic.

But if this were a movie it would be the Earth Logic of Tacit Ronin, not the non-earth logic of Tacit Ronin, because that was my intent, the fact that it did not transpire is irrelevant.

 

[TeeKay]

I'll never get people calling Ultron a comedian for,what?4 one-liners?

Its over exaggerated. Ultron acted or said things that were funny (sometimes even unintentional). As to regards actual jokes? Let's see:

"Clearly you've never made an omelette.
I can't physically throw up in my mouth.
With the benefit of hindsight"

 

[Fosterson]

I laughed at the one week of Ultron jab. It's profoundly true. Not just the fact that it's not much of an age, but also the fact that other than Sokovia and South Korea, other nations did not even feel Ultron's so called age. An age should be all encompassing or something. When Skynet takes over and destroys almost all of humanity, that is an age. An age should be a change in status quo, not limited to weeks in a small city somewhere.

Well, Johannesburg was virtually levelled and Stark Tower sustained some damage. Also the whole world was affected by the events of the film through the news coverage that Maria Hill mentioned. It's not like they could have physically visited every country in the world, anyway...

 

[superboy13]

But if this were a movie it would be the Earth Logic of Tacit Ronin, not the non-earth logic of Tacit Ronin, because that was my intent, the fact that it did not transpire is irrelevant.

Since you're so fond of your Skynet: during Terminator 2, did Judgement Day actually happen or was it averted? -ponders-

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I'll never get people calling Ultron a comedian for,what?4 one-liners?

It's because he didn't do more lethal things to offset his comedic things. Take Hans Landa, after he smoked a comically large pipe, he massacred two dozen jews, after he was laughing uncontrollably at Bridget Hammersmark's story, he choked her to death. For every moment of comedy, there should've been an equal moment of horror.

Ultron should've had more scenes of him doing what he did to Andy Serkis. But he spent most of his running time caring for Wanda and talking.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I don't remember, during Terminator 2, did Judgement Day actually happen or was it averted? -ponders-

It happened right at the beginning of the movie. I know the pre-titles are long, but don't fast forward too hard.

But due to it being a time travel movie, it both happened and didn't. AOU is not that movie.

 

[Iceman]

It wasn't, but the "Age of Ultron" was his plan. Where is it written that the title of the movie has to be literally what happens during the film?

The title implies we are seeing the Age of Ultron which is something they actually could have shown. If Ultron had got a bit further and had a sustained impact on the Earth, won the initial battles against the world's armies and Avengers, maybe dropped Sokovia (but not from a great enough height to cause an extinction event) and nuked a few major countries. Then the new world order with Ultron temporarily in control with all his drones would resemble an Age of Ultron, even if it was just months rather than eons, with the resistance movements of Avengers and remnants of SHIELD or whatever trying to fight back after going underground. I don't have a problem with the title Age of Ultron at all but it doesn't seem right with what he had in the film and how long it lasted.

 

[superboy13]

It happened right at the beginning of the movie. I know the pre-titles are long, but don't fast forward too hard.

But due to it being a time travel movie, it both happened and didn't. AOU is not that movie.

If things that don't count, count, then let's count Ultron's imagination and call it a day. Good talk!

The title implies we are seeing the Age of Ultron

Wrong. That's how you chose to interpret it. All nice and shiny, but it's not effectively so.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Well, Johannesburg was virtually levelled and Stark Tower sustained some damage. Also the whole world was affected by the events of the film through the news coverage that Maria Hill mentioned. It's not like they could have physically visited every country in the world, anyway...

Johannesburg was leveled by the Hulk. It does not matter how much he was mind controlled, the people that are gonna be traumatized by that are gonna be thinking of Banner.

I doubt any of the damage of Stark Tower could even be visibly seen by the people unless they are looking up with binoculars. Most of it was interiors.

Sure, the world was affected by the news coverage, just like we are by the troubles of the middle east, but that does not signify a new age.

And yes Ultron could've affected the world, he was in the internet for God's sake. But that angle was disappointingly downplayed.

 

[superboy13]

I bet Tacit Ronin really hated that the world didn't actually end during Apocalypse Now. What a waste of a perfectly good title.

 

[Fosterson]

As for the whole "It wasn't an actual age" argument, it doesn't hold much water IMO. I mean, for a movie called "The Winter Soldier", Cap 2 sure didn't have much of Bucky in it. And X-Men: Days of Future Past was really "X-Men: Largely set in the 1970s with some cool post-apocalyptic shots of the future to put in the trailers". And nobody criticised those movies for doing that.

If you have legitimate problems with AoU, then that's fine. But don't come up with BS arguments that can be applied to other movies as well.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I don't hate, I love.

There is a difference between a metaphoric title and a literal one, except that literal one did not happen. Apocalypse Now DID transpire, symbolically, in the heart of Martin Sheen and Colonel Kurtz' horrific followers. The so called Age was never an age either symbolically or literally.

 

[I Am The Knight]

This "n0t an actual agezz!" thing has got to be one of the dumbest complaints yet

 

[Tacit Ronin]

As for the whole "It wasn't an actual age" argument, it doesn't hold much water IMO. I mean, for a movie called "The Winter Soldier", Cap 2 sure didn't have much of Bucky in it. And X-Men: Days of Future Past was really "X-Men: Largely set in the 1970s with some cool post-apocalyptic shots of the future to put in the trailers". And nobody criticised those movies for doing that

I do have a problem with the Winter Soldier title. Didn't have much to do with the plot or themes. And I have heard ample complaints on the internet about people who were disappointed that Bucky had so little screentime (not me).

I don't have a problem with the Days of The Future Past title. They did travel back and forth, regardless of the relative brevity of the future scenes.

BTW, the title for either TWS or AOS do not impact my assessment of the films at all. They are simply minor oddities that slightly bother me.

 

[TeeKay]

Johannesburg was leveled by the Hulk. It does not matter how much he was mind controlled, the people that are gonna be traumatized by that are gonna be thinking of Banner.

I doubt any of the damage of Stark Tower could even be visibly seen by the people unless they are looking up with binoculars. Most of it was interiors.

Sure, the world was affected by the news coverage, just like we are by the troubles of the middle east, but that does not signify a new age.

And yes Ultron could've affected the world, he was in the internet for God's sake. But that angle was disappointingly downplayed.

What angle would you have preferred? Ultron hack into peoples emails? Come on. This is an A.I that's hell bent on destroying humanity not cause chaos. The first thing he was trying to do was access the nuke codes but he was shut off so he went with an entirely different plan. It was all about his end game.

 

[Silvermoon]

As for the whole "It wasn't an actual age" argument, it doesn't hold much water IMO. I mean, for a movie called "The Winter Soldier", Cap 2 sure didn't have much of Bucky in it. And X-Men: Days of Future Past was really "X-Men: Largely set in the 1970s with some cool post-apocalyptic shots of the future to put in the trailers". And nobody criticised those movies for doing that.

If you have legitimate problems with AoU, then that's fine. But don't come up with BS arguments that can be applied to other movies as well.

I do have a problem with the Winter Soldier title. Didn't have much to do with the plot or themes. And I have heard ample complaints on the internet about people who were disappointed that Bucky had so little screentime (not me).

I don't have a problem with the Days of The Future Past title. They did travel back and forth, regardless of the relative brevity of the future scenes.

BTW, the title for either TWS or AOS do not impact my assessment of the films at all. They are simply minor oddities that slightly bother me.

Just to dip my toe into this debate briefly. The character of the Winter Soldier is not necessarily the sole reason for the title. Mr. Brubaker noted that when he wrote Winter Soldier (which of course the movie was based off of) he was partly inspired Thomas Paine's "summer soldier" quote.

THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country;

Conversely the "winter soldier" will stand on the front lines even in the most difficult of conditions. Which can speak just as much to Steve Rogers and his ideals. So the way I see it, it's a dual meaning title.

As for the Age of Ultron title. I have no problem with it. the "Age" is what Ultron was striving for and the Avengers worked to prevent it (not unlike the "Age of Extinction" from transformers - I know - not the greatest of films - I mean, the inhabitants of Earth didn't go extinct in that movie, right?). Also, I've seen a lot of people (on other boards) bring up how the 'age of ultron' is still ongoing. There's the fallout from those events (the "Sokovia accords" that will play a part in Civil War, last night's Agents of SHIELD premiere Quake (sorry, I refuse to call her Daisy) talked about how the world was 'twitchy' after Sokovia fell from the sky). It might not have been the type of "Age" that Ultron was intending.... but his actions may have long lasting effects (resulting in an 'age' of sorts) regardless.

Anywho... just my opinion

 

[Iceman]

I bet Tacit Ronin really hated that the world didn't actually end during Apocalypse Now. What a waste of a perfectly good title.

As for the whole "It wasn't an actual age" argument, it doesn't hold much water IMO. I mean, for a movie called "The Winter Soldier", Cap 2 sure didn't have much of Bucky in it. And X-Men: Days of Future Past was really "X-Men: Largely set in the 1970s with some cool post-apocalyptic shots of the future to put in the trailers". And nobody criticised those movies for doing that.

If you have legitimate problems with AoU, then that's fine. But don't come up with BS arguments that can be applied to other movies as well.

You understand critiquing a title says nothing about someone's views on a film right? If Goodfellas changed name to Age of Care Bears it would still be one of my all time favourite films but I'd be commenting on the title.