The Flash The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 3

[Kevin Smith]

It's one of the best designs of all time because you say so. No room for differing opinions what so ever.

Not just me but several other artists and people in the comics industry who have seen more costume designs than most people will in their whole lifetime agree that it's easily in the top 5 best ever superhero designs as well.

But what do they know? It's just their "opinion", their expert opinion.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Kryp, I don't think you understand. This is Kevin Smith... Look, his avatar is The Flash. Not just any Flash. THE FLASH. Barry Effin' Allen. The most important Flash in the whole, wide world. I mean, if that doesn't mean he knows the most and his opinion is gospel, then I don't know what anything means anymore. Just look at that avatar whenever you even think about telling Mr. Smith off. Just look at it.

This guy gets it.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Don't forget his six part flash movie proposal linked in his signature. This guy's obviously going places. We should be asking him for references, honestly.

5 parts. Thanks for reading.

 

[Lord Valumart]

Not just me but several other artists and people in the comics industry who have seen more costume designs than most people will in their whole lifetime agree that it's easily in the top 5 best ever superhero designs as well.

But what do they know? It's just their "opinion", their expert opinion.

How can you not get it? I mean really are you that blinkered that you can't see the possibility that something can change, not be your thing, and still be liked and well recived?

 

[DrCosmic]

Anything that clashes with an otherwise perfect and fine costume in the comics, one of the best superhero designs of all time, is detrimental to the source material. It's simple.

Well, real life clashes with the comics. So, by your definition, real life is detrimental to the source material. Tough times.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Not just me but several other artists and people in the comics industry who have seen more costume designs than most people will in their whole lifetime agree that it's easily in the top 5 best ever superhero designs as well.

But what do they know? It's just their "opinion", their expert opinion.

You don't seem to get how opinions work. Just because someone is a comic book artist doesn't make their opinions more valid than somebody else's. Do you even know what 'subjective' means?

 

[Kevin Smith]

70% morbid curiosity, 30% there's nothing good on TV right now.

Doesn't sound like trolling at all, bunch of posters gang up to try and get a rise out of another poster...

 

[Boy Scout]

I wonder how much time they'll devote to the construction of the costume and the inspiration that'll go into the design elements.

EDIT: I feel like Barry is the type to add things because they look cool. That would explain the ear pieces (assuming they have no function).

 

[Kevin Smith]

They don't to me.

But I'm a heathen and not learned in the Order of the Flash.

Cute.

Maybe you just don't have that great attention to detail, or are willingly ignorant. I don't know. Other people who haven't interacted with me before seem to get it just fine, some even on their own.

 

[DrCosmic]

Not just me but several other artists and people in the comics industry who have seen more costume designs than most people will in their whole lifetime agree that it's easily in the top 5 best ever superhero designs as well.

But what do they know? It's just their "opinion", their expert opinion.

Wait, I thought it was perfect? Shouldn't that make it the Number 1 best ever superhero design? Isn't that their expert opinion, that it's perfect, and any change would be deterimental. I'm sure that's what the experts say.

Have you ever thought of publishing a Flash Bible? I know we have all this information about Flash, but clearly people aren't believing in Flash properly. Can you write something up to show confused souls the way they should walk run?

 

[Micromind]

Well, real life clashes with the comics. So, by your definition, real life is detrimental to the source material. Tough times.

 

[MrsKent26]

Doesn't sound like trolling at all, bunch of posters gang up to try and get a rise out of another poster...

Twas a joke, mostly. I'm just curious and trying to figure you out.

 

[Kevin Smith]

The problem is you put yourself up on a pedestal and try to shove your opinion on what's inferior down our throats on something that's as subjective as costume design. You think just because you feel strongly about something that it makes it a fact, it's not, never has been, and never will be. All it is is arrogance. But you'll never understand this, because you've placed yourself so high up that you can't even see that you're opinion isn't any more valid than ours.

Wrong. I've placed the source material, and all the wonderful things in it on a "pedestal" if anything. Exactly what the people in charge of these projects should be doing.

 

[Charlie Boy]

Don't forget his six part flash movie proposal linked in his signature. This guy's obviously going places. We should be asking him for references, honestly.

Also, his location says "Central City". I've been trying for hours to comprehend how amazing it is that he thought of that... I mean, do you guys see what he did there? DO YOU?! Bow in his presence!

 

[DrCosmic]

I wonder how much time they'll devote to the construction of the costume and the inspiration that'll go into the design elements.

EDIT: I feel like Barry is the type to add things because they look cool. That would explain the ear pieces (assuming they have no function).

Yeah, Barry's a nerd, the lightning bolt is SO his idea. It would be cool if the ear bits acted as a sort of energy exhaust system as he's running or something like that.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Thats a nice opinion, but you didn't answer the question.

There was no question. I addressed all the points and fleshed everything out very well.

 

[MrsKent26]

Cute.

Maybe you just don't have that great attention to detail, or are willingly ignorant. I don't know. Other people who haven't interacted with me before seem to get it just fine, some even on their own.

Wasn't trying to be cute. They look similar to me. I'm not saying they look exactly the same. I'm saying they look close enough that it's not that big of a deal to me. And my attention to detail is fine. I can describe every contour on Henry Cavill's face. I notice many a thing.

 

[Kevin Smith]

How can you not get it? I mean really are you that blinkered that you can't see the possibility that something can change, not be your thing, and still be liked and well recived?

Not when what's been changed isn't as good as what was. You guys are out of your minds if you think this travesty is superior to the simplistic yet stylistic sleek design of the comics.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Well, real life clashes with the comics. So, by your definition, real life is detrimental to the source material. Tough times.

Because comics are inanimate objects and people are living moving things? Yeah nice strawman.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I can't believe this exact same argument has been going on for 20 pages just because *SOME* people (hint hint) can't seem to grasp the idea that it's okay for different opinions to exist other than their own.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I do find it very interesting that they changed the symbol from red to white...

The symbol is quite iconic. Isn't it like every episode of Big Bang Theory? I've seen a lot of people wearing Flash t-shirts over the years as well.

Imagine if they changed the colors of Superman's symbol.

 

[DrCosmic]

Because comics are inanimate objects and people are living moving things? Yeah nice strawman.

The ways in which real life clashes with comics are innumerable, the people, the physics, the materials, the physiques, the social dynamics... I could go on and on about the ways in which real life clashes with comics. If comics are perfect, then adapting things to real life is detrimental, based on your logic.

Case in point: Has there been a real life adaptation of comics that didn't make detrimental changes, in your opinion?

Wrong. I've placed the source material, and all the wonderful things in it on a "pedestal" if anything. Exactly what the people in charge of these projects should be doing.

The source material was written by men, has been changed by men before. It's just a set of ideas, that can be improved upon like virtually every other set of ideas.

You are (almost?) literally worshiping it as perfect, which is absurd, and you refusing to see that, putting your opinion of the source material as the standard for goodness, for 'true fanship,' as though this is fact, is insulting and annoying. And that's not counting when you're actually insulting people. After a point, it becomes a point of ridicule, since there's no point in hanging around being annoyed with your condescension, and we want to talk about the Flash too. To me it makes sense to satirically echo your worship of the source material.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Comic book artists would probably be the first to say that designs created by them or even the legends of the industry (Carmine, The King, Adams ect.) cannot be all translated 100% into live action for a variety of practical reasons and limitations. I also think that they'd be the first to admit whatever similarities the design process for characters and costuming there exists between illustrating comics and actual nuts and bolts designing for tv/movies there's far greater difference than certain fans, even ones familiar with graphic design would know or care to admit.

I myself was pooping on this suit just this morning. After seeing it in different pictures I'm now okay with it. Was I a "better" fan this morning? I don't know, mostly because I'm not sure anyone can really ever judge that, and no matter how you word it, when somebody does that they come off real ugly.

And Zod don't like ugly brothas and sistas! Can I get an Amen?

 

[Kevin Smith]

Also, his location says "Central City". I've been trying for hours to comprehend how amazing it is that he thought of that... I mean, do you guys see what he did there? DO YOU?! Bow in his presence!

 

[Rorschach2012]

What I don't like:
The belt and giant UGLY belt buckle. The leather band that serves as his belt is a very weak replacement for the waist lightning bolts. Probably the worst aspect of the costume
The loose fit of the suit makes it look cheap. A more form fitting suit definitely would've been better.
Multiple materials on one costume can work well, but the way they Chose to break up the materials is not aesthetically pleasing to me
The symbol is awful. The bottom of the bolt is way too short, and the bright red circle instead if the white was a bad move
The materials used weren't bad, but they'd look a bit better if they were more form fitting
If the material on his chest defined his musculature a little bit more, I think that'd look better.
The knees look weird
Not a fan of the leather forearm pieces replacing the wrist bolts

I really like the cowl though