The Flash The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 3

[Charlie Boy]

Jeff Bridges, Steve Buscemi, John Goodman.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Comic book artists would probably be the first to say that designs created by them or even the legends of the industry (Carmine, The King, Adams ect.) cannot be all translated 100% into live action for a variety of practical reasons and limitations. I also think that they'd be the first to admit whatever similarities the design process for characters and costuming there exists between illustrating comics and actual nuts and bolts designing for tv/movies there's far greater difference than certain fans, even ones familiar with graphic design would know or care to admit.

I myself was pooping on this suit just this morning. After seeing it in different pictures I'm now okay with it. Was I a "better" fan this morning? I don't know, mostly because I'm not sure anyone can really ever judge that, and no matter how you word it, when somebody does that they come off real ugly.

And Zod don't like ugly brothas and sistas! Can I get an Amen?

Very true but The Flash is one of those that, like Spider-Man, needs very little if no tweaking when being brought into live action.

 

[Charlie Boy]

Very true but The Flash is one of those that, like Spider-Man, needs very little if no tweaking when being brought into live action.

According to who?

 

[Rorschach2012]

If they would have done a more comic accurate costume, I would have liked it more. I personally think most creative changes they made were for the worse. The most praised element is the cowl, which is basically a straight adaptation of the comics cowl

 

[Kevin Smith]

The ways in which real life clashes with comics are innumerable, the people, the physics, the materials, the physiques, the social dynamics... I could go on and on about the ways in which real life clashes with comics. If comics are perfect, then adapting things to real life is detrimental, based on your logic.

Case in point: Has there been a real life adaptation of comics that didn't make detrimental changes, in your opinion?



The source material was written by men, has been changed by men before. It's just a set of ideas, that can be improved upon like virtually every other set of ideas.

You are (almost?) literally worshiping it as perfect, which is absurd, and you refusing to see that, putting your opinion of the source material as the standard for goodness, for 'true fanship,' as though this is fact, is insulting and annoying. And that's not counting when you're actually insulting people. After a point, it becomes a point of ridicule, since there's no point in hanging around being annoyed with your condescension, and we want to talk about the Flash too. To me it makes sense to satirically echo your worship of the source material.

There are plenty of ideas, designs, and storyarcs in the comics that are perfect for live action and need little to no tweaking, the only things that should be changed are the things that were silly on paper. Based on what you just said a perfect script shouldn't be verbalized and shot in live action because it's not supposed to be because it's in a written format on paper, which is bogus and not at all what I'm saying and you know that.

 

[Shikamaru]

Very true but The Flash is one of those that, like Spider-Man, needs very little if no tweaking when being brought into live action.

Here's an idea: ever thought of the possibility this might be a first draft? You know, as in the sense that he won't produce a "perfect" suit off his first try? It's called character development and character progression. There is no reason why he can't "upgrade" to a better suit in the future. The current Spider-Man movies did the same thing.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Pretty much perfect!

 

[Kevin Smith]

You haven't been "defending your opinion", you've been condescending towards anyone who dare say they like the costume.

No I haven't. I've presented logical and reasonable arguments for why I disagree.

Multiple times you've taken people's posts about aspects they liked in the costume, and responded with several random, unrelated images

Unrelated images? They were the same aspects they claimed to like on the new suit just on old suits and equally as ridiculous, all of them were on topic and in relation to the matter at hand.

to try to insult their opinion and belittle them for being "wrong" and not "true fans". Usually you follow that up with a smiley, just to really get the point across that you find their very opinions laughable.

Yes, I do find that someone who professes to be a longtime fan of the character prefers the new TV show suit to the overall design that's been used in the comics for nearly 60 years.

If you can't see the difference between the above, and "defending your opinion", then you truly are arrogant beyond all belief.

All I see is that you took out of context and tried go twist and distort what I've done in my posts to suit your assessment of me.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Hey hunter thanks for posting that and reminding me of how much better it looks when properly photographed and lit... It's going to look better in the show obviously, but I still hope they decide to make some adjustments as the show progresses

 

[DrCosmic]

There are plenty of ideas, designs, and storyarcs in the comics that are perfect for live action and need little to no tweaking, the only things that should be changed are the things that were silly on paper. Based on what you just said a perfect script shouldn't be verbalized and shot in live action because it's not supposed to be because it's in a written format on paper, which is bogus and not at all what I'm saying and you know that.

First, you're dodging the question: Has there been a real life adaptation of comics that didn't make detrimental changes, in your opinion?

Second, I said real life clashes with comics. I didn't say anything about clashing with all things written on paper. Real life doesn't clash with my grocery list, either, in case you were wondering. And just for the record, no one worships movie scripts, even the best ones, enough to put them on a pedestal. They get changed in a heartbeat when the filmmakers find out that something clashes with real life, even if it was "perfect on paper." In fact, the saying "perfect on paper" is a direct reference to the fact that (all?) things are not perfect in real life.

 

[Perfect Cell]

In regards to being called condescending:

No I haven't. I've presented logical and reasonable arguments for why I disagree.

And then:

Yes, I do find that someone who professes to be a longtime fan of the character prefers the new TV show suit to the overall design that's been used in the comics for nearly 60 years.

All in the same one post. Amazing.

 

[Kevin Smith]

According to who?

Anyone with a functioning brain and is even the least bit artistic.

 

[Paradox1]

I do find it very interesting that they changed the symbol from red to white...

The symbol is quite iconic. Isn't it like every episode of Big Bang Theory? I've seen a lot of people wearing Flash t-shirts over the years as well.

Imagine if they changed the colors of Superman's symbol.

They have changed the color of superman symbols a lot of times. He's been around a long time do you think he's stayed the same

 

[Perfect Cell]

Anyone with a functioning brain and is even the least bit artistic.

Nope, you haven't been condescending AT ALL. My mistake.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Here's an idea: ever thought of the possibility this might be a first draft? You know, as in the sense that he won't produce a "perfect" suit off his first try? It's called character development and character progression. There is no reason why he can't "upgrade" to a better suit in the future. The current Spider-Man movies did the same thing.

Yes I have. Granted, we have no guarantee of that, but that is all I'm hoping for at this point. I think that'd be a great way to go and would be very happy with that. I'm just not sure if CW would be capable of such a thought.

 

[Kevin Smith]

First, you're dodging the question: Has there been a real life adaptation of comics that didn't make detrimental changes, in your opinion?

Yes plenty.

Second, I said real life clashes with comics. I didn't say anything about clashing with all things written on paper. And just for the record, no one worships movie scripts enough to put them on a pedestal, they get improved upon in a heartbeat when the filmmakers find out that something clashes with real life, even if it was "perfect on paper."

The same thing happens in comics, they're improvised time to time often in the editing room. There's no reason why many of the things that are mainstays in the comics could not work in live action. Comics are just scripts with storyboards.

 

[MrsKent26]

Anyone with a functioning brain and is even the least bit artistic.

Good grief. Don't you think saying that is a bit much?

 

[Kevin Smith]

Nope, you haven't been condescending AT ALL. My mistake.

It's not arrogance. It's fact.

 

[Kevin Smith]

In regards to being called condescending:


And then:



All in the same one post. Amazing.

Not a damn thing wrong with any of that. All consistent and makes sense. Not sure what your problem is.

 

[Rorschach2012]

After seeing The Flash suit, do you guys want Arrow and The Flash in the MOS universe

 

[Perfect Cell]

It's not arrogance. It's fact.

Haha, wow. You truly are something impressive, I'll give you that. I wish I was as confident my own opinions were indisputable as you are of your's.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Very true but The Flash is one of those that, like Spider-Man, needs very little if no tweaking when being brought into live action.

While I agree that Flash's costume could be translated almost directly to live action and fairly easily these days and look fantastic, I also am more than willing to accept other peoples designs for the costume, the costume designers here have an opportunity to provide their take on The Flash that isn't tied to one design by continuity with the comics or forced to be unrecognizable as Flash due to some weird story arc, I have some issues with the design the costume designers came up with, but I also like quite a few things about it, and I'm not gonna condemn it just because the costume designers used some creative freedom and make their addition to The Flash's history something recognizable as their own while still definitely The Flash.

 

[Perfect Cell]

Not a damn thing wrong with any of that. All consistent and makes sense. Not sure what your problem is.

You admitted that you find other people's opinions laughable, and you don't see why people have an issue with that?

 

[KillerMcQueen]

After seeing The Flash suit, do you guys want Arrow and The Flash in the MOS universe

Still do, they'd undoubtedly design a new costume for his movie appearance anyways so I don't see the issue even if you dislike the current outfit.

 

[Hunter Rider]

It's not arrogance. It's fact.

The only fact in here is that you are digging yourself in deeper with the attitude, dial it back.