The Flash The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 3

[KRYPTON INC.]

The loose nature of the costume may also be about the shooting schedule a tv show has and the ease of getting the actor in and out of it. For a film you can have the luxury of having an extra hour, or two to get your lead into some form fitting, second skin suit and then deal with all the practical things that happen with such a suit (overheating, long bathroom breaks to get it on an off, costume fitting touch ups, ect.) that slow a production down. These are all considerations I feel many fans give short shrift to.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I don't think form fitting works on a TV budget, it always looks cheap and people don't stay in form fitting shape year round.

Lucky that he won't be filming all year round. Amell manages it for Arrow, keep in mind he's also being paid to look like the character.

 

[Nathan]

The loose nature of the costume may also be about the shooting schedule a tv show has and the ease of getting the actor in and out of it. For a film you can have the luxury of having an extra hour, or two to get your lead into some form fitting, second skin suit and then deal with all the practical things that happen with such a suit (overheating, long bathroom breaks to get it on an off, costume fitting touch ups, ect.) that slow a production down. These are all considerations I feel many fans give short shrift to.

But didn't the 90's series have to consider all these parts as well? And I'm not even saying make it a difficult one piece suit, that takes like 30 minutes to get into. But there must still be a way to make it more form fitting, and not give it the obvious pants and jacket look.

Would something like this take too long to get into?

 

[C. Lee]

Stop the petty arguing.....now.

 

[Shikamaru]

edit

 

[Midnight Black]

So how bout them Mets?!

 

[Paradox1]

But didn't the 90's series have to consider all these parts as well? And I'm not even saying make it a difficult one piece suit, that takes like 30 minutes to get into. But there must still be a way to make it more form fitting, and not give it the obvious pants and jacket look.

Would something like this take too long to get into?

Don't think it's hard to get into but the cost of materials maybe out of their budget. Even though form fitting is nice but flash has appendages that I don't think lend well to said material.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I agree to wear a red suit is an attention grabber, but having a huge white circle when it's your first time out fighting crime does paint a bullseye on your chest for criminals and snipers to aim for.

No more than being in a big red suit. Not one bit. And either way - faster than bullets and can dodge/catch them/ let them pass through him.

Not saying I don't like the traditional emblem, but having a dark red or black background is not a deal breaker IMO and may look cool on television given the lighting and angles.

It's unnecessary and the white in the logo looks just as good if not better. We know the white looks good, regardless of angle.

In the tv show he is just becoming the flash, so just because he is fast doesn't mean that he has any fighting skills or crime fighting abilities whatsoever. Give it a season or two, and maybe we will see him evolve into traditional flash.

Right but there's no guarantee that it will become anymore than what it already is and having the small white circle on his chest doesn't make him anymore or less vulnerable from snipers.

Heck maybe old flash won't be Jay Garrick or his dad, but will be him from the future.

Would be cool. He can help him fix his suit. LOL

 

[Rorschach2012]

I don't think form fitting works on a TV budget, it always looks cheap and people don't stay in form fitting shape year round.

Well it can't look any cheaper than it already does

the budget shows

 

[Midnight Black]

They could baggy the crotch a bit.

IMHO they just "CW'd" the suit up to be a mixture of what the flash fans know, sexy, leather (cause leather is sexy), and geared towards the CW target audience which is not superhero fans and/or fanboys first, but preteens/tweens/teens, females then men and lastly comic fans.

My biggest gripe about the suit after looking at it over and over is how big the cowl's mouth area is cut. They should've closed it a bit.

 

[Kevin Smith]

They could baggy the crotch a bit.

IMHO they just "CW'd" the suit up to be a mixture of the flash fans know, sexy, leather (cause leather is sexy), and geared towards the CW target audience which is not superhero fans and/or fanboys first, but preteens/tweens/teens, females then men and lastly comic fans.

Mike biggest gripe about the suit after looking at it over and over is how big the cowl's mouth area is cut. They should've closed it a bit.

Everybody I've showed it to has been unimpressed. :-/

 

[Kevin Smith]

Well who knows....it may not even get picked up. That's not guaranteed yet, either.

 

[Midnight Black]

No more than being in a big red suit. Not one bit. And either way - faster than bullets and can dodge/catch them/ let them pass through him.

Well the suit is dark red and at night will show up really dark, so yeah having white on a suit this dark will stand out a bit. Plus he doesn't know all of his powers yet nor have we been given any indication of his power levels. He may not be able to phase or dodge bullets that easily.

He might be Wally West fast as opposed to Barry Allen fast sans via Young Justice.

It's unnecessary and the white in the logo looks just as good if not better. We know the white looks good, regardless of angle.

I agree the white does look good....IMO better than the non-dark red background. However, this is CW's Flash and not the comic flash that we know in all honesty. Plus what is wrong with a little change. Heck it would be cool if he had several suits IMO.

It has already been established that this Flash is a superhero/comic fan so it would be cool if he plays with the costume and creates more than one look.

Right but there's no guarantee that it will become anymore than what it already is and having the small white circle on his chest doesn't make him anymore or less vulnerable from snipers.

You're right there is no guarantee that it will, but there is also no guarantee that it won't. Plus, it could always be said as an easy explanation that having a white background would paint a target. I remember reading a batman page someone posted on here about why Batman made his symbol big and yellow which was to draw focus away from his mouth (the only vulnerable area really) and to his chest. Now was that explanation needed? No. But since it was stated it just gave a reason...a simple reason as to why having a yellow bat signal on a dark grey, blue or black suit was used.

A simple reason may be made in the series.

Would be cool. He can help him fix his suit. LOL

I highly doubt we will see a true representation. However, I would like to see a speed skater red suit, or something textured like the one piece suits in hunger games or ender's game.

Just give it up....the white does look better than the red background, but I'm sure there is some reason (no matter how stupid) the writers and/or costume designers have come up with as to forgo it for the red.

 

[Midnight Black]

This can stay and I'm not allowed to defend myself to it? Lovely.

Dude let it go before you get banned for awhile.... like C. Lee said it's petty....forget it.

Everybody I've showed it to has been unimpressed. :-/

I'm not surprised. Then again...youre avi is of Flash so you miiiight have a bit of a biased as you probably are a pretty big fan lol. Even if they got it 99.9% right I'm sure you would say why not go the full 100% lol. Give the show and suit a chance. I agree it's not perfect, but hey it's better than goggles or a hoodie.

Well who knows....it may not even get picked up. That's not guaranteed yet, either.

True, but that's not what we want. We want a flash show...right???

 

[Rorschach2012]

Everybody I've showed it to has been unimpressed. :-/

I showed the suit to my parents, my siblings, and all my best friends (all are non comic book fans) they all were unimpressed. Every single one of them noted how cheap the suit looks.

Let's hope the writing/acting is good

 

[The Guard]

I don't see how this looks "cheap".

 

[Kevin Smith]

Well the suit is dark red and at night will show up really dark, so yeah having white on a suit this dark will stand out a bit. Plus he doesn't know all of his powers yet nor have we been given any indication of his power levels. He may not be able to phase or dodge bullets that easily.

Spider-Man's eyes never gave him any trouble, neither did Rorschach's silk like mask. I find this reasoning bogus.

He might be Wally West fast as opposed to Barry Allen fast sans via Young Justice.

The old tv show Barry was post crisis Wally fast for most of the show and it never presented a problem for him...this argument is ridiculous to me.

I agree the white does look good....IMO better than the non-dark red background. However, this is CW's Flash and not the comic flash that we know in all honesty. Plus what is wrong with a little change. Heck it would be cool if he had several suits IMO.

When it doesn't look as good as what it was before is when a little change is wrong, IMO.

It has already been established that this Flash is a superhero/comic fan so it would be cool if he plays with the costume and creates more than one look.

True, just like the Barry in the comics, but the red doesn't do anything the white can't do for this aspect either way.

You're right there is no guarantee that it will, but there is also no guarantee that it won't.

True, and I hope the former is true.

Plus, it could always be said as an easy explanation that having a white background would paint a target.

When your costume is red and gold all over, your argument is invalid. Also when you can move at speeds invisible to the naked eye.

I remember reading a batman page someone posted on here about why Batman made his symbol big and yellow which was to draw focus away from his mouth (the only vulnerable area really) and to his chest. Now was that explanation needed? No. But since it was stated it just gave a reason...a simple reason as to why having a yellow bat signal on a dark grey, blue or black suit was used.

Batman wears dark colors and has no superpowers, this explanation at least makes sense somewhat for him. The Flash is not trying to be Batman (or even Arrow), despite everyone wanting all the characters to be Batman-lite in all aspects these days.

A simple reason may be made in the series.

I highly doubt we will see a true representation. However, I would like to see a speed skater red suit, or something textured like the one piece suits in hunger games or ender's game.

Perhaps but I hope we will see a trust representation than what we've got. It's not expensive, it's not hard to do, and it's not a lot to ask.

Just give it up....the white does look better than the red background, but I'm sure there is some reason (no matter how stupid) the writers and/or costume designers have come up with as to forgo it for the red.

The stupid reason being they just wanted to put their own flair on it because they don't feel like artists if they just adapt it the way it looks, they have to change it in some way, even if it's a small and nonsensical one, to feel like they've left their mark.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I don't see how this looks "cheap".

Then there's nothing i can do to show you what I see.

I see cheapness. The suit just looks low budg, low quality to me. I was expecting something on the level of work that Wilkinson did on the Superman suit. Or something on the quality level as the new Spider Man suit, but i think it's definitely quite a few steps down quality wise from those.

 

[The Guard]

You see "cheapness" in what regard, exactly?

"Cheap" seems to be just something that gets tossed out there when someone doesn't like a costume.

If you're expecting a film quality costume, yeah, you'd be disappointed regardless. TV budgets are considerably less.

So you have issues with this qualitywise in what sense?

What aspects of the design do you feel are lacking in quality?

 

[Kevin Smith]

Dude let it go before you get banned for awhile.... like C. Lee said it's petty....forget it.

Right.

I'm not surprised. Then again...youre avi is of Flash so you miiiight have a bit of a biased as you probably are a pretty big fan lol.

Lol yeah...I worry sometimes if the people I show it to have like a sixth sense and can sense I'm not happy with it but I'm pretty good at hiding my opinion of something before asking people or randoms theirs I feel, I ask them what they think before I say what I think, so I don't know really, lol...

Even if they got it 99.9% right I'm sure you would say why not go the full 100% lol.

Now that's not true, I'm not unpleasable like that you know..it's not an impossibility to have it deviate a little and still look satisfyingly good.

Give the show and suit a chance. I agree it's not perfect, but hey it's better than goggles or a hoodie.

Haha very very true...could be much better but it could be a lot worse than it could be better...

True, but that's not what we want. We want a flash show...right???

Yes we do. And hopefully of we get one we get the chance to see it improved as it goes along.

 

[Crimz]

Lots of things change from the pilots and this could just be the first of the evolution of Barry and the suit. It gives him a visual goal, which is a suit more in line with the comics, so he evolves both visually and personality wise as a character. So I am not worried, I just hope the writing and effects are good.

 

[Crimz]

The same evolution should be also with his powers, him getting faster as seasons progress.

 

[Primal Slayer]

If they plan on modifying the costume as the show goes on, then yeah it is a fine starter suit.

 

[Midnight Black]

Spider-Man's eyes never gave him any trouble, neither did Rorschach's silk like mask. I find this reasoning bogus.



The old tv show Barry was post crisis Wally fast for most of the show and it never presented a problem for him...this argument is ridiculous to me.



When it doesn't look as good as what it was before is when a little change is wrong, IMO.



True, just like the Barry in the comics, but the red doesn't do anything the white can't do for this aspect either way.




True, and I hope the former is true.



When your costume is red and gold all over, your argument is invalid. Also when you can move at speeds invisible to the naked eye.



Batman wears dark colors and has no superpowers, this explanation at least makes sense somewhat for him. The Flash is not trying to be Batman (or even Arrow), despite everyone wanting all the characters to be Batman-lite in all aspects these days.



Perhaps but I hope we will see a trust representation than what we've got. It's not expensive, it's not hard to do, and it's not a lot to ask.



The stupid reason being they just wanted to put their own flair on it because they don't feel like artists if they just adapt it the way it looks, they have to change it in some way, even if it's a small and nonsensical one, to feel like they've left their mark.

Like I said they may give a reason in the show, and that reason will be the reason for going with white and will be a justified explanation because it was simply stated.

Yeah spiderman and Rorschach's white didn't pose any problems, but in this series it might...depends on the writers. Flash may not be able to move at speeds of light or even sound in this series....time will tell.

I get your qualms, but at the end of the day this is CW's interpretation of Flash and not exactly DC's or the fans. 7 times out of 10 I would agree with you that suits don't need to be changed just cause...and this is obviously a just cause modification. However, I'm starting to accept the fact as with all superhero films, that the writers/directors NEED to put their spin on things whether it's the story or suit because seeing an exact translation would be redundant some times. Not necessarily saying that's the case here, but sometimes it is.

I agree the white looks better...hands down. Heck I think a matching dark red or black would look better. But they went with what they went with...all we can do is hope this won't be the final/only suit.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I showed the suit to my parents, my siblings, and all my best friends (all are non comic book fans) they all were unimpressed. Every single one of them noted how cheap the suit looks.

Same here. Some even used homosexual slanders that we'd probably get in trouble for posting to describe how they felt it looked when I showed it to them, in addition to "looks cheap, looks too dark, needs more yellow, looks like DareDevil ripoff, that's supposed to be The Flash?!"... not exactly the jaw dropping response I always hoped a new live action Flash suit would garner. Disappointing.

It's raining today...so that's fitting at least.

Let's hope the writing/acting is good

Yeah.