The Burton Films Batman and Batman Returns.

[Two-Face]

Ok then, it's Untitled Batman Begins Sequel.

 

[Morgoth]

I agree, I like Batman Begins, but Batman and Batman Returns are even better, and seem to capture the right mood and feeling of Batman.

Agreed.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Batman Begins is a superbly assembled movie, but lacks two things; mystery and atmosphere. The Burton movies are not as proficient as Begins in terms of storytelling, but they do have both those ingredients in abundance.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Batman Begins is a superbly assembled movie, but lacks two things; mystery and atmosphere. The Burton movies are not as proficient as Begins in terms of storytelling, but they do have both those ingredients in abundance.

Couldn't have said it better, myself.

And I'll call it Batman 2 until an official name is out. Calling it "Untitled Batman Begins Sequel", doesn't sound good. lol

 

[Morgoth]

I just watched BATMAN again, I can never get enough of it. It truly captures the spirit of Batman.

I don't care what any newbies say, the Burton film feels more like the comic than Begins.

That scene of Joker in Grissom's office after killing Carl is so evil, I love it.

And the way the Joker looks when he's first revealed looks like a page right out of the comic book.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Batman Begins virtually is a comic book, so how can the two Burton films capture the spirit of Batman more...when BEGINS represents multiple eras of the character and mythos, where as B89 and Returns are narrower in its source history. Batman Begins is damn near a straight mix of 3 graphic novels: Man Who Falls, Year One, and Long Halloween. It doesn't get "closer to the spirit" than that!!

B89 feels like a legitimate Batman story, Returns however does not. In terms of story and storytelling, the Burton films are rather lackluster. Being a "newbie" has nothing to do with those analyzations.

 

[El Payaso]

Batman Begins virtually is a comic book, so how can the two Burton films capture the spirit of Batman more...when BEGINS represents multiple eras of the character and mythos, where as B89 and Returns are narrower in its source history. Batman Begins is damn near a straight mix of 3 graphic novels: Man Who Falls, Year One, and Long Halloween. It doesn't get "closer to the spirit" than that!!

The answer is simple: Faithfulness means nothing in the quality dept. It means way too much in the fans dept, but not in the quality one.

And 'spirit' of anything is just a great-sounding concept. Everyone gets the spirit in a different way.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

The answer is simple: Faithfulness means nothing in the quality dept. It means way too much in the fans dept, but not in the quality one.

And 'spirit' of anything is just a great-sounding concept. Everyone gets the spirit in a different way.

This is true too, I was just giving this kid, Morgoth, a "point, counter-point" to him saying Batman Begins or any other movie doesn't represent or is as "faithful' as the Burton movies were. To be honest, all of the fimls were really faithful in most aspects. Returns deviates quite a bit off the feel of any Batman comic, but it still captures some good stuff. The only other HUGE divergence in 'faithfulness" is making Joker the killer of the Wayne family.

 

[CFlash]

I thought Burton's Batman was done quite well. It was more of an *experience* than a regular movie. The first scene on the rooftop when Batman floats down in the background was fantastic... oh so subtle.... that's movie making!

However, sadly, the story was very lame. And while Nicholson was great as The Joker, he received way TOO MUCH screen time. His scenes needed some serious editing.

Keaton. Well, despite his stature, I thought Keaton *acting-wise* made a good Batman. Sure Bale is better. I love Bale. But I wouldn't knock Keaton's Batman. He played Batman "dark" and "intellectual" even if not quite the physical Crusader we all know.

Batman is the first and only movie I where I saw the audience actually stand up and cheer *enthusiastically* (not the polite contagious hand-clapping) at the end. I'll never forget that experience.

P.S.
Am I the only one who sees parallels with Batman Begin's "toxin" story and Batman 1's "toxin" story? I really wish the Batman movies would move away from the "doomesday" poison-the-whole-city stories and do more subtle "detective" crime stories. That's just my opinion.

 

[JoeBoxer]

you know i think Tim Burton's was a lot darker there were alot more deaths.

 

[Morgoth]

I just got the Batman score yesterday. It is so awesome. It truly captures the darkness and the adventure of Batman.

I love listening to it while reading.

 

[CFlash]

I just got the Batman score yesterday. It is so awesome. It truly captures the darkness and the adventure of Batman.

I love listening to it while reading.

The Elfman score from 89? If so, I agree. And, I kinda missed it in Batman Begins... which left me feeling a bit indifferent to the movie (I like it, don't get me wrong... there was just a WOW factor missing).

And I said in my post... watching Batman 89 in the theater was an *experience* (gripes with the story notwithstanding).

 

[captain_jimbo]

I just watched BATMAN again, I can never get enough of it. It truly captures the spirit of Batman.

I don't care what any newbies say, the Burton film feels more like the comic than Begins.

That scene of Joker in Grissom's office after killing Carl is so evil, I love it.

And the way the Joker looks when he's first revealed looks like a page right out of the comic book.

I totally agree, I love Batman, I can never get enough. It's just such an iconic movie, Keaton was the best Batman ever and Jack Nicholson's performance as The Joker is just sublime. No one will ever top it!

 

[Dr. Weir]

Batman Returns is the best

 

[CFlash]

Batman Returns is the best

I haven't seen Returns in a long time... but the other day I caught the scene where he's taking of his mask to expose himself to Christopher Walken and Pfiefer. It was so badly done. In one edit, he has the black makup underneath the mask... and in the next he has the mask with no makeup underneath.

Maybe I looked away and missed an edit... I dunno.... but it was corny as hell.

P.S. I still liked Burton's Batman... A LOT.

 

[Proximo]

I haven't seen Returns in a long time... but the other day I caught the scene where he's taking of his mask to expose himself to Christopher Walken and Pfiefer. It was so badly done. In one edit, he has the black makup underneath the mask... and in the next he has the mask with no makeup underneath.

Maybe I looked away and missed an edit... I dunno.... but it was corny as hell.

P.S. I still liked Burton's Batman... A LOT.

hehe that scene is pretty funny, But its simply because Bruce wouldnt look good whit black makeup smeared around his eyes whit mask taken off
Thats why its edited that way.

Batman & Batman returns are my favorite batman movies still.
Im still not happy whit Batman begins, its a good popcorn movie .. but it felt more like a normal action movie then a Batman movie.

 

[CFlash]

hehe that scene is pretty funny, But its simply because Bruce wouldnt look good whit black makeup smeared around his eyes whit mask taken off
Thats why its edited that way.

Yeah.. but correct me if I'm wrong, but the black makeup is magically gone BEFORE he takes off the mask. Am I wrong?

He could have at least look down, taken off the mask, cut scene, and then looked up sans makeup.... that way the black makup "appears" to have been part of the mask. I dunno. It's been a while.

 

[Proximo]

Yeah.. but correct me if I'm wrong, but the black makeup is magically gone BEFORE he takes off the mask. Am I wrong?

I think your right, its some time since i saw the movie but they might have do it that way so people who dont look close wont notice it or something.

Eitherway, i dont think we will ever see bruce whit black eyemake-up right after taking of the mask.

He could have at least look down, taken off the mask, cut scene, and then looked up sans makeup.... that way the black makup "appears" to have been part of the mask. I dunno. It's been a while.

Yeah that would been much better, But i still love the scene as is.
Batman maybe took out a bat tisue from his utility belt and wiped it off while catwoman talked to shrek or something, LOL

 

[Bat Attack]

Tim Burton's two Batman films are still my favorite Batman films (behind MOTP).

 

[Whack Arnolds]

^

AWESOME avvy. That is the SE dvd cover from Europe, correct? Lucky bastards...

 

[Sandman138]

Yeah.. but correct me if I'm wrong, but the black makeup is magically gone BEFORE he takes off the mask. Am I wrong?

He could have at least look down, taken off the mask, cut scene, and then looked up sans makeup.... that way the black makup "appears" to have been part of the mask. I dunno. It's been a while.

Or they could have shot it so that we're looking over his shoulder as he began to rip the mask off, and then cut on the action. It is rather annoying.

 

[batmaluco]

 

[Whack Arnolds]

That hand thing is pretty stupid though...

 

[captain_jimbo]

I think your right, its some time since i saw the movie but they might have do it that way so people who dont look close wont notice it or something.

Eitherway, i dont think we will ever see bruce whit black eyemake-up right after taking of the mask.


Yeah that would been much better, But i still love the scene as is.
Batman maybe took out a bat tisue from his utility belt and wiped it off while catwoman talked to shrek or something, LOL

Yeah, I couldn't care less, it's still an awesome film.

 

[El Payaso]

That hand thing is pretty stupid though...

Ask the guy who was stopped by it.