Civil War The Civil War "ANYTHING GOES" Thread - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK - NO SPOILER TAGS REQ.! - Part 3

[Mike Murdock]

He wasn't even a big supporter of the accords as they were....People are conflating Stark's stance from the comics with his stance in the film.

Tony knew there needed to be SOME degree of oversight over the Avengers, but he acknowledge to Steve that safeguards would have to be in place. He just wanted to be involved, he wanted to do it rather than have it done to them.

Uh, that was exactly his stance in the comics too.

 

[chromehorn]

Spider-Man mentioned ESB during the scene with Giant-Man. I felt like the end was similar to ESB. There was a big battle, it was intense, but it felt like no one really won.

These are not criticism. I really enjoyed this movie. I like that it didn't end with a happy ending.

 

[sportjames23]

Just imagine if there was a Superman with 24/7 media cycle with a lot of people hating his existence.

It's like he wouldn't happy all the time or something.

I see what you did there.

 

[Supernova]

I think the writers did a good job giving reason as to why they didn't kill anyone off. But, I thought about this recently the MCU is getting packed with heroes especially now with the introduction of Ant-Man, Wasp (soon), Dr. Strange, Spidey, Capt Marvel and of course Black Panther. Kinda awesome!

I think they missed a golden moment though where it would have been acceptible for rhodes to bite it especially with how far and hard he fell from the sky.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Say that Team Cap hadn't ran into Team Iron Man and had gone on to fight the "psycho assassins", like Scott and Clint were recruited to do. Think Team Cap could've taken down those 6 beefed up Winter Soldiers?

Based on what we saw in the movie I see those guys less as Winter Soldiers 2.0 and more as a crazed team of Soviet Captain America's, and that to me is a scary prospect. Yes, Wanda would most likely have put them all down but it would've been one helluva fight. Actually, its a shame what happened to them in the story. I know it made sense for Zemo to do what he did [like he said, the last thing he wanted was for more enhanced beings to be out and about] but it would have been awesome to see them running amok and for Steve to have to take them down - would've been the closet thing to seeing Cap taking down 1950's Cap.

To be honest killing off Rhodes would be really transparent in "we need to kill someone off but nobody too important"

Ala Quicksilver in AoU.

 

[javonstokess]

Why do people want characters killed off? We just GOT this guys on screen and you want them to be murdered? Weird.

Anywho, I think people miss the point. Cap, for like 10 seconds agreed to sign the Accords with the agreement that safeguards be put in place. He only disagreed again because of Tony's treatment of Scarlet Witch.

Keep in mind folks that neither Cap nor Tony were on stable emotional ground when the Accords dropped. Cap just lost Peggy and his best friend is wanted for assassination, while Tony lost Pepper and was dealing with the guilt of Ultron's actions in Sokovia. Also, in regards to Cap, remember that he's already been "betrayed" by "Government sponsored" organizations including SHIELD and the WSC at this point. It totally makes sense that he wouldn't jump to put his trust in a 3rd organization.

 

[SirThomasSharpe]

So, do you guys think the Black Panther solo flick will revolve around T'Challa protecting Bucky? If the mid credit scene is anything to go by... I think that may be the case.

 

[javonstokess]

So, do you guys think the Black Panther solo flick will revolve around T'Challa protecting Bucky? If the mid credit scene is anything to go by... I think that may be the case.

It'll probably involve Klaw from AOU.

 

[Kanon]

Yeah, Winter Soldier in Wakanda was just a way to close the arc, in a location that relates to the overall CW story. It's over for now.

 

[javonstokess]

Yeah, Winter Soldier in Wakanda was just a way to close the arc, in a location that relates to the overall CW story. It's over for now.

I wouldn't put it past Marvel to unthaw him in the BP movie to help whatever big battle happens.

Seems like most of the next Marvel movies coming out are essentially "Marvel Team-Ups". I'm not complaining though

 

[Wylie Times]

So, do you guys think the Black Panther solo flick will revolve around T'Challa protecting Bucky? If the mid credit scene is anything to go by... I think that may be the case.

I hope not, I want the Black Panther film to focus on T'Challa, his family, and Wakanda.

Bucky might be that important to Steve, but he sure as hell shouldn't be that important to T'Challa.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Why do people want characters killed off? We just GOT this guys on screen and you want them to be murdered? Weird.

Have to agree; there seems to be a school of thought that you can only have real tension and danger through raising the stakes and having someone die but I dont really subscribe to that.

 

[JOE]

I hope not, I want the Black Panther film to focus on T'Challa, his family, and Wakanda.

Bucky might be that important to Steve, but he sure as hell shouldn't be that important to T'Challa.

"Let them try" seems very inviting to that story arc... Just saying.

 

[Havok83]

So, do you guys think the Black Panther solo flick will revolve around T'Challa protecting Bucky? If the mid credit scene is anything to go by... I think that may be the case.

No, and i dont see why it would.

 

[kane9321]

this is how you make a movie dc..TAKE NOTE
Tom Holland's Peter Parker/Spidey...was amazing..he knocked it outta the park

 

[Wylie Times]

I wouldn't put it past Marvel to unthaw him in the BP movie to help whatever big battle happens.

Except that would completely undercut Black Panther and Wakanda.

The Black Panther's entire job is to protect Wakanda, and the Wakandan military is supposed to be one of the strongest on the planet. It does't make T'Challa or Wakanda's military look that formidable if they need to thaw out the Winter Soldier to protect their homeland.

 

[starkresilient]

Why do people want characters killed off? We just GOT this guys on screen and you want them to be murdered? Weird.

Anywho, I think people miss the point. Cap, for like 10 seconds agreed to sign the Accords with the agreement that safeguards be put in place. He only disagreed again because of Tony's treatment of Scarlet Witch.

Keep in mind folks that neither Cap nor Tony were on stable emotional ground when the Accords dropped. Cap just lost Peggy and his best friend is wanted for assassination, while Tony lost Pepper and was dealing with the guilt of Ultron's actions in Sokovia. Also, in regards to Cap, remember that he's already been "betrayed" by "Government sponsored" organizations including SHIELD and the WSC at this point. It totally makes sense that he wouldn't jump to put his trust in a 3rd organization.

But what Tony did was the best option for Wanda. Het face was all over the news and instead of giving her to government he made sure she was at the compound with vision. What if the same thing happened to tony at the MIT conference happens to Wanda when she was at the supermarket? She was safe at the house till Tony was making arrangements since she is not a USA citizen.

 

[javonstokess]

But what Tony did was the best option for Wanda. Het face was all over the news and instead of giving her to government he made sure she was at the compound with vision. What if the same thing happened to tony at the MIT conference happens to Wanda when she was at the supermarket? She was safe at the house till Tony was making arrangements since she is not a USA citizen.

I'm not disagreeing with Stark's choice. I'm just saying that's why Cap backed off signing the Accords.

It's simple: Stark looks at the big picture while Cap looks at things on a personal level.

Stark looks at the damage done in Lagos and looks to "fix" it. Cap looks at the person responsible and wants to help her. Stark sees Bucky as a dangerous weapon that needs to be arrested/killed. Cap looks at Bucky and sees a guy who was used against his will.

Civil War is a fascinating movie in that it reveals things about viewers who side with one or the other (for more reasons than "I like Iron Man").

For what it's worth, I'm Team Cap

 

[Wylie Times]

"Let them try" seems very inviting to that story arc... Just saying.

I'd say it's more about showing how confident T'Challa is about Wakanda's ability to repel outside forces.

You don't need Bucky as a plot device to have a story of Wakanda fending off invaders.

 

[captainrogers]

But what Tony did was the best option for Wanda. Het face was all over the news and instead of giving her to government he made sure she was at the compound with vision. What if the same thing happened to tony at the MIT conference happens to Wanda when she was at the supermarket? She was safe at the house till Tony was making arrangements since she is not a USA citizen.

But from Caps point of view, the confining of Wanda was tantamount to Internment.
Which, regardless of where she was being held, is a violation of basic human rights.
Cap was about to sign, up until Tony let that slip.
This is Cap.
A WW2 veteran.
So I understand his trepidation about that being Tony's First choice on handling Wanda.

 

[starkresilient]

I'm not disagreeing with Stark's choice. I'm just saying that's why Cap backed off signing the Accords.

It's simple: Stark looks at the big picture while Cap looks at things on a personal level.

Stark looks at the damage done in Lagos and looks to "fix" it. Cap looks at the person responsible and wants to help her. Stark sees Bucky as a dangerous weapon that needs to be arrested/killed. Cap looks at Bucky and sees a guy who was used against his will.

Civil War is a fascinating movie in that it reveals things about viewers who side with one or the other (for more reasons than "I like Iron Man").

For what it's worth, I'm Team Cap

Tony never wanted to kill Bucky at first, they even arranged someone to evaluate him and Tony said instead of giving him to Wakanda they can keep him here.

But Cap never offered an alternate to help Wanda? He was just angry she was in a safe house with Vision and he thought bringing Hawkeye to rescue her where she was fine

 

[MarvelMayhem]

"Let them try" seems very inviting to that story arc... Just saying.

Had that feeling too but not so much thawing him out storyline. Feel like there will be some major crisis for Wakanda and in the background someone is trying to steal Bucky. Like maybe even the crisis is a diversion to get to Bucky for some reason. And BP is going to have to not only protect his country but Barnes as well. Maybe some cameos but nothing significant. But possibly figuring out a way to free Bucky from mind control by the end of the movie.

 

[captainrogers]

"Let them try" seems very inviting to that story arc... Just saying.

They don't neccaessarily need to involve Bucky in the BP film.
There could be a mention, sure, but I'm sure we'll get an invasion angle having more to do with Klaue and/or M'Baku, for his country's Vibranium and his throne.
It's like assuming Thor 2 would have involved the Tesseract as its main plot point, just because Thor took it to Asguard at the end of Avengers.

 

[javonstokess]

Tony never wanted to kill Bucky at first, they even arranged someone to evaluate him and Tony said instead of giving him to Wakanda they can keep him here.

But Cap never offered an alternate to help Wanda? He was just angry she was in a safe house with Vision and he thought bringing Hawkeye to rescue her where she was fine

Put it wasn't just that was after Bucky. Remember, Sharon said they were told to shoot on sight when they see WS.

If you recall, when Cap voiced his disagreement with Wanda being on "house arrest", Stark just yelled about trying to help. Neither really wanted to compromise, but, let's be honest, the government didn't want to compromise either. Remember Ross telling Widow that they'd have to retire if they disagreed.

 

[SirThomasSharpe]

Klau will definitely play some sort of part in the BP solo film. It would be such a waste if he doesn't.