The Clinton Thread II

[2kt09]

I love it. Let's not talk about how we can reach those new voters. We know our racist message won't work so let's just throw in the towel.

When you read this thinking Hillary

 

[Thundercrack85]

Because there are no better choices and I don't like Hillary's past history or her personality. Does that make me and my Asian, Hispanic, and Black friends who are able to keep clear, unemotional heads about him racists as well? What you're doing is painting everyone with a broad brush while overlooking the fact that many hard-working, law-abiding citizens who are none of the things you say they are support someone they don't see as all those things you claim. Also, I'm not one who's quick to label someone as overtly racist just because they don't toe the PC/liberal line of what is and isn't right to say about certain groups of people.

If someone tells me Trump is the better candidate than I have to either question their intelligence or their prejudice. Take your pick.

Donald Trump is a petty, vindictive, childish bigot. I used to think it was an act he put on to entice the far-right. But I am fairly convinced that he truly is just a racist manchild who talks like a 6th-grader, and thinks he is God's greatest gift to man.

If you can't see that in light of all the stupid, outrageous and offensive things this man has done and said (some of which I have enumerated), I don't really know what to tell you.

I dislike Hillary more than most, but good God, unless Adolf Hitler is running for president, I am going to have to go with anyone other than Trump.

The only "sane" reason I can see for someone supporting Trump is if they are highly uneducated (those he loves), comically prejudiced, or if they want to take this country down.

 

[DeadPresident]

"I'm afraid Hillary might be bad for the country, so I'm going to vote for the guy that will be bad for the country" seems quite a common sentiment from Trump advocates.

Ditto for "I'm afraid I can't get past Hillary's sordid past, so I'm going to vote for the guy with the even more sordid past".

 

[samsnee]

Because there are no better choices and I don't like Hillary's past history or her personality. Does that make me and my Asian, Hispanic, and Black friends who are able to keep clear, unemotional heads about him racists as well? What you're doing is painting everyone with a broad brush while overlooking the fact that many hard-working, law-abiding citizens who are none of the things you say they are support someone they don't see as all those things you claim. Also, I'm not one who's quick to label someone as overtly racist just because they don't toe the PC/liberal line of what is and isn't right to say about certain groups of people.

Then you're the one who is misreading her comments. She didn't say all of his supporters. She said she is grossly generalizing and said half.

 

[Sithborg]

"I'm afraid Hillary might be bad for the country, so I'm going to vote for the guy that will be bad for the country" seems quite a common sentiment from Trump advocates.

Ditto for "I'm afraid I can't get past Hillary's sordid past, so I'm going to vote for the guy with the even more sordid past".

My brother is trying to justify it by that he will be "controlled". And my mom sadly likes Pence.

 

[Marvolo]

My brother is trying to justify it by that he will be "controlled". And my mom sadly likes Pence.

Never mind. I misread your post.

 

[DeadPresident]

My brother is trying to justify it by that he will be "controlled". And my mom sadly likes Pence.

Unfortunately that's not how national and international leadership works. It's also a massive red flag if someone thinks the president of the USA needs to be "controlled", with the implicit presupposition that if he isn't controlled he'll do damage instead of...his job. But, if this election build up has shown us anything it's that logic and reason have never been more dead among the average person than they are now.

On the left and right emotional irrationality has taken full effect and the country will just have to wait for this little roller coaster to subside and hope there's still a governable country left afterwards.

 

[2kt09]

"I'm afraid Hillary might be bad for the country, so I'm going to vote for the guy that will be bad for the country" seems quite a common sentiment from Trump advocates.

Ditto for "I'm afraid I can't get past Hillary's sordid past, so I'm going to vote for the guy with the even more sordid past".

Those sound like they came from Hillary advocates who think that's the way Trump advocates operate OR anarchists.

The common sentiment from Trump and Hillary advocates is that their opposing nominee is unequivocally worse, online and irl.

Opponents of both who are forced to settle make the confirmation bias for why one is worse than the other.

 

[Kelly]

Actually those voting for Hillary can actually talk about policy....big difference.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Actually those voting for Hillary can actually talk about policy....big difference.

Ms. Kelly you forgot to drop the mic with that one. Let me Help you....

*Ms. Kelly drops the mic*

 

[Kelly]

I have this thing about breaking things that cost money....lol

 

[DeadPresident]

Numerous sources seem to be reporting Clinton had to leave a 9/11 memorial early because of a dizzy spell where she was apparently disoriented and may have fainted? Not sure if this a red herring considering the sources reporting it or if she's genuinely got some kind of health concern?

 

[mclay18]

Numerous sources seem to be reporting Clinton had to leave a 9/11 memorial early because of a dizzy spell where she was apparently disoriented and may have fainted? Not sure if this a red herring considering the sources reporting it or if she's genuinely got some kind of health concern?

The media and the GOP will spin it for all its worth, especially Trump. Sometimes, you can't just predict when you'll get sick.

 

[DeadPresident]

The media and the GOP will spin it for all its worth, especially Trump. Sometimes, you can't just predict when you'll get sick.

I'm not the GOP though. This has been reported multiple times, usually where there's smoke there's fire. Is it necessarily as bad as some people might try and make it out to be? Not necessarily, but if Trump, Obama, Al Gore or GWB had fainted (perhaps repeatedly over a several month period), would people have been right to inquire?

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The authenticity of the footage seems dubious since we can't see her face, but several authorized reporters are sharing the same footage on twitter right now. It's possible it's fake, it's also possible she had to be bodily carried to a vehicle.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

Numerous sources seem to be reporting Clinton had to leave a 9/11 memorial early because of a dizzy spell where she was apparently disoriented and may have fainted? Not sure if this a red herring considering the sources reporting it or if she's genuinely got some kind of health concern?

Call me cynical but this smells like a set up to get the "deplorable" comments out of the news cycle. I wonder if the Trump campaign takes the bait and goes after her health again.

 

[DeadPresident]

Call me cynical but this smells like a set up to get the "deplorable" comments out of the news cycle. I wonder if the Trump campaign takes the bait and goes after her health again.

Yeah, for sure, it could definitely be a ploy to try and redirect attention. It's becoming really annoying that as a member of the public there's almost no way to confirm what the hell is actually going on. Is it an elaborately staged fake? Did Hillary actually faint and she is ill? Is it actually her but they're dramatizing it to get flak off her from the deplorables comment? All three are possible

 

[Matt Mortem]

I think the next step is for Clinton to have a Doctor or two sign off on a clean bill of health for her. Get it all out in the open. And if she is sick then she should have a Doctor say what it is.

 

[Schlosser85]

I'd be lying if I said I'm not a little concerned that something might actually be wrong with her. And talk about handing the conspiracy theorists ammunition.

I think she needs to address the questions.

 

[DeadPresident]

At this stage I think anyone that isn't slightly perturbed by this is likely biased. A presidential candidate appearing to need to be carried to a van, everyone seeming to try and play it off nonchalantly comes off as suspicious.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I plan on voting for her, but I am concerned. Could it have been a heat related thing? Most probably, but I think it's important she gets out in front of this health stuff.

 

[DeadPresident]

I plan on voting for her, but I am concerned. Could it have been a heat related thing? Most probably, but I think it's important she gets out in front of this health stuff.

Lots of folks are bringing up the heat but several journalists on Twitter have said the temperature was in the low 80s. It could be completely innocuous, but there's a decent amount of evidence that points in the other direction too. It'll be a cold day in hell before her camp is honest about it IMO, ditto for the Republican camp not blowing it out of proportion completely.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

I plan on voting for her, but I am concerned. Could it have been a heat related thing? Most probably, but I think it's important she gets out in front of this health stuff.

Or she lets it marinate in the news cycle for awhile, have the press (and maybe Trump surrogates) spin it anyway they want and hope "deplorable-gate" isn't the hot topic that everyone is talking about on Monday morning. Maybe this is a legit issue but I'm finding the timing to be too convenient.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Or she lets it marinate in the news cycle for awhile, have the press (and maybe Trump surrogates) spin it anyway they want and hope "deplorable-gate" isn't the hot topic that everyone is talking about on Monday morning. Maybe this is a legit issue but I'm finding the timing to be too convenient.

That's true. Her "deplorable" comment, while true, was going to damage her. The alt right nuts already think she's knocking on deaths door so maybe she did do it on purpose to change the story. I do hate that this is something that could legitimately be the case.

 

[DeadPresident]

Both possibilities are equally concerning. Either the American political landscape has descended into day-time soap opera farce completely, or she legitimately has a health issue that she's doing her best to hide from the public.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

That's true. Her "deplorable" comment, while true, was going to damage her. The alt right nuts already think she's knocking on deaths door so maybe she did do it on purpose to change the story. I do hate that this is something that could legitimately be the case.

Yeah, which is why I think Hillary could be taking a page out of the Trump playbook. He's the master at deflection. If something is in the news cycle that he doesn't like he finds a way to pull a stunt that will overshadow a blunder and play the media like a fiddle.