The Clinton Thread II

[SV Fan]

I've got to agree with this. The painful lack of self-awareness from a lot of liberals at the moment is almost hilarious in its contradiction. The level of thoughtlessly partisan "input'' from both sides is rather tiresome.

So you think we should tolerate racists, that is your choice.

 

[DeadPresident]

So you think we should tolerate racists, that is your choice.

Point out he part where I said that...? This is also what pop-liberalism has become, instead of dealing in complex and individual thought just brand any opposition in thought as some kind of faux pas behavior. You're all caught up in this narrative that liberals are the heroic saviors coming to save the village folk from the evils of conservatism. News flash; they are one and the same, two sides of the same coin, both have picked their identity groups that they pander to and they're squaring off, neither is inherently "good".

The way you and a lot of people on this forum like to whitewash and romanticize your political ideology is pathetic, coming from someone that has no time for liberals or conservatives or the moronically oversimplified political landscape America is currently "enjoying". You're all just repeating rhetoric and passing it off as critical thought.

 

[SV Fan]

Point out he part where I said that...? This is also what pop-liberalism has become, instead of dealing in complex and individual thought just brand any opposition in thought as some kind of faux pas behavior. You're all caught up on this narrative that liberals are the heroic saviors coming to save the village folk from the evils of conservatism. News flash; they are one and the same, two sides of the same coin, both have picked their identity groups that they pander to and they're squaring off, neither is inherently "good".

The way you and a lot of people on this forum like to whitewash and romanticize your political ideology is pathetic, coming from someone that has no time for liberals or conservatives or the moronically oversimplified political landscape America is currently "enjoying". You're all just repeating rhetoric and passing it off as critical thought.

Hillary was basically going after the bigoted supporters of Trump. Now one could argue that 50% might be to high a number(to which she came out with a statement she regrets using 50%) or what exactly a Trump supporter is(ie is it the 42% who support him in polls? 14M who voted for him in the Primary? etc?) but let's not act like these elements don't exist in the Trump's support group and we should tolerate them and not call them out.

 

[2kt09]

How is it freaking guilt by association when you hire god damn Ailes and Bannon for your campaign?

You suddenly forgot what guilt by association is within the same sentence.

Neoconservatives have given Hillary their seal of approval.
Trump attempts to pander to them, but surely they know Hillary has more experience in their ideology.
We found out that her administration & lawyers abetted this email scandal.
Would you not shutter to think if those bigoted rally rioters NOT protesters and anyone who condones or excuses their behavior, support Hillary?

^ For example.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Too bad she doesn't take her own advice.

 

[SV Fan]

Too bad she doesn't take her own advice.

She showed the 50% of the 14M who voted for him in the primary the respect they deserve so I don't see your point

 

[Thundercrack85]

Really, the headline should be "Hillary apologizes to racists for calling them racist".

Amazing how she has managed to both look and be depicted as divisive, inarticulate, weak willed, and incompetent, all in the course of a few days over an accurate observation.

I think it's charitable to say that only half of Trump's supporters are racists, xenophobic, homophobic, etc. She should have stood her ground, or simply not said it.

 

[Schlosser85]

Much as I don't think she should have to apologize for calling people things they've blatantly been showing themselves to be for months......she probably shouldn't have said it in the first place.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Really, the headline should be "Hillary apologizes to racists for calling them racist".

Amazing how she has managed to both look and be depicted as divisive, inarticulate, weak willed, and incompetent, all in the course of a few days over an accurate observation.

I think it's charitable to say that only half of Trump's supporters are racists, xenophobic, homophobic, etc. She should have stood her ground, or simply not said it.

Still, the point remains that this is not the time to make such statements. When Trump is using fear-mongering tactics to try and divide the electorate while hitting nerves that strike a chord with many people you don't stoop to his level. if she wins and he tries to cause a ruckus after that, that would be the time to point out such a thing.

Unfortunately, in the GE 60 days out one has to focus on trying to be as inclusive as possible. There could be those on the fence that may think one or two things Trump says is vaguely accurate and then she risks alienating them because of blanket statement.

 

[Iceman]

It was a mistake. I think everyone knows that whatever underlying truths there might be to the statement. Being president involves knowing when and when not to make even correct statements.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Much as I don't think she should have to apologize for calling people things they've blatantly been showing themselves to be for months......she probably shouldn't have said it in the first place.

If she would have just said "some" or "there are those".

He might just win if she keeps this up.

 

[2kt09]

Ostracize the bigots, Hillary! Liberals and Conservatives alike.
I guarantee you'll do better.

 

[samsnee]

If she would have just said "some" or "there are those".

He might just win if she keeps this up.

Which is sad since as mentioned, Trump says things equally if not more so offensive EVERY DAY. But everyone just says that's Trump being Trump which somehow makes it ok.

 

[Thundercrack85]

It's easy when half your supporters are the worst people in society.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

It's easy when half your supporters are the worst people in society.

And from the other perspective, people supporting Hillary are the worst. Those supporting her are not without their faults either.

 

[Thundercrack85]

And from the other perspective, people supporting Hillary are the worst. Those supporting her are not without their faults either.

You mean from the perspective of the racists, xenophobes and homophobes supporting Trump? Yeah. I guess they have a pretty low opinion of minorities, foreigners and gay people.

 

[mclay18]

And from the other perspective, people supporting Hillary are the worst. Those supporting her are not without their faults either.

So does that make it okay for the double standards we have going on here? Hillary makes an observation about Trump, and conservatives demonize her. But when Trump says things that are equally offensive (and more often), it's brushed aside because "it's what Trump usually says" and he's not held accountable.

 

[Thundercrack85]

You expect decency from people who support a man who insults POWs, attacks the parents of a dead war hero and mocks a disabled reporter's disability?

These are vile people who support a vile man.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

You mean from the perspective of the racists, xenophobes and homophobes supporting Trump? Yeah. I guess they have a pretty low opinion of minorities, foreigners and gay people.

And there you go name-calling again. The age-old tactic of people negatively labeling those they disagree with so they think they have the moral high ground to mercilessly attack those supposedly beneath them. Just because that's what you say and think they are, it doesn't make it completely true.

 

[DeadPresident]

And there you go name-calling again. The age-old tactic of people negatively labeling those they disagree with so they think they have the moral high ground to mercilessly attack those supposedly beneath them. Just because that's what you say and think they are, it doesn't make it completely true.

What about in cases where people have actually acted in ways that make them bigoted and racist, then that's what they are, right? He specified, it's not like he said "All Trump supporters are...".

People avoiding intellectual honesty in 2016 like it's a plague. It's not "negatively labeling" someone when they exhibit a certain behavior and you call them out on that behavior. You're busy doing the same semantic gymnastics regressive liberals have popularized over the last couple of years.

 

[Thundercrack85]

And there you go name-calling again. The age-old tactic of people negatively labeling those they disagree with so they think they have the moral high ground to mercilessly attack those supposedly beneath them. Just because that's what you say and think they are, it doesn't make it completely true.

Hard to not have the moral high ground when these people rally around a racist crook. How do you support this horrible man, and expect people to not think you are as indecent as he is?

I disliked Bush, but he comes across as a worldly statesman, next to this bigoted clown.

What does someone have to before you see them as racist? Wear a hood, and burn a cross?

 

[Webfoot Hero]

You expect decency from people who support a man who insults POWs, attacks the parents of a dead war hero and mocks a disabled reporter's disability?

These are vile people who support a vile man.

And now I'm seeing supposedly decent people support a woman who's lied, cheated, and wormed her way into position to be President while despising a good majority of the country because they dare to have views different from the supposed "good people."

The amount of vileness that comes out of liberal circles is definitely not being seen by those on here. But of course that stuff isn't vile because conservatives and Republicans are sub-humans that deserve no respect or courtesy.

 

[Thundercrack85]

And now I'm seeing supposedly decent people support a woman who's lied, cheated, and wormed her way into position to be President while despising a good majority of the country because they dare to have views different from the supposed "good people."

The amount of vileness that comes out of liberal circles is definitely not being seen by those on here. But of course that stuff isn't vile because conservatives and Republicans are sub-humans that deserve no respect or courtesy.

Even if everything you say is true, she is still better than Trump. At the very least she feels the need to maintain some kind of decency. Now if she starts mocking the disabled, make racist comments about judges, or fights with the parents of a dead soldier, I might be able to see some kind of equivalency.

The kind who support Trump deserve no respect, that I would agree on. There are still some conservatives around who stand for something other than hatred, and fear mongering. But it does seem to be a dying breed.

My disgust is aimed at the people who demonize immigrants, and minorities. People with the most simple minded prejudices. Virtually all of whom identify with Trump.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Hard to not have the moral high ground when these people rally around a racist crook. How do you support this horrible man, and expect people to not think you are as indecent as he is?

I disliked Bush, but he comes across as a worldly statesman, next to this bigoted clown.

What does someone have to before you see them as racist? Wear a hood, and burn a cross?

Because there are no better choices and I don't like Hillary's past history or her personality. Does that make me and my Asian, Hispanic, and Black friends who are able to keep clear, unemotional heads about him racists as well? What you're doing is painting everyone with a broad brush while overlooking the fact that many hard-working, law-abiding citizens who are none of the things you say they are support someone they don't see as all those things you claim. Also, I'm not one who's quick to label someone as overtly racist just because they don't toe the PC/liberal line of what is and isn't right to say about certain groups of people.

 

[Alex Murphy]

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on Saturday said she regretted saying "half" of Republican rival Donald Trump's supporters belonged in a "basket of deplorables," but made no apologies for calling out "prejudice and paranoia" among Trump's campaign and supporters.

"Last night I was 'grossly generalistic', and that's never a good idea. I regret saying 'half' - that was wrong," Clinton said in a statement, the day after comments at a fundraiser in New York.

But "Trump has built his campaign largely on prejudice and paranoia," she said, adding: "I won't stop calling out bigotry and racist rhetoric in this campaign."

Clinton sorry for 'deplorable' jibe but insists she will call out racists