The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[Dr.]

But this gag looks to be a masterpiece next to have Superman say "no one stays good in this world".

NO ONE STAYS GOOD IN THIS WORLD is a thing Snyderman said.

Ugh.

Believe it or not I actually got up and walked out at that very moment... For Superman (the symbol of "hope" according to the movie itself) to spit out such a nihilistic statement is so contradictory...

It surprises me that this line elicits the reaction described. Surprising because it’s rather clear from the narrative that Superman is at his lowest point of anguish and disillusionment due to Lex’s machinations and manipulations. So his response seems entirely appropriate and entirely human, given the dramatic context. (After all, even Jesus — in his darkest moment — succumbed to an uncharacteristic expression of despair: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”)

Moreover, and just prior to his self-sacrifice, Superman tells Lois: “This is my world. You are my world.” This would appear to indicate a reassessment and repudiation of his prior statement. (Typically, you don’t fight for a cause you don’t believe in.) Thus, the apposition of the two sentiments — especially given the similar phrasing — seems quite deliberate.

 

[DorkyFresh]

It surprises me that this line elicits the reaction described. Surprising because it’s rather clear from the narrative that Superman is at his lowest point of anguish and disillusionment due to Lex’s machinations and manipulations. So his response seems entirely appropriate and entirely human, given the dramatic context. (After all, even Jesus — in his darkest moment — succumbed to an uncharacteristic expression of despair: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”)

I can't put my finger on why it made me cringe, but I think it's a number of things. The main one being that it's jarring to hear Superman say something so negative, regardless of the circumstance but I can get behind Superman being uncharacteristic if the story is done well. It also feels like it was written by an edgy teenager trying to copy "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

But ultimately I think the line would've landed better if we got to see the quintessential optimistic, hopeful Superman to provide a contrast to his hopeless feelings in that moment. As it stands, Supes is a wet paper towel throughout 95% of the movie, spouting more hopeless, uncharacteristic lines like "Superman was never real. Just the dream of a farmer from Kansas." If he were truly portrayed as a beacon of hope and prosperity earlier in the film then when he said "No one stays good in this world" it would've had more weight and impact and wouldn't have been as triggering.

 

[dhandler01]

It surprises me that this line elicits the reaction described. Surprising because it’s rather clear from the narrative that Superman is at his lowest point of anguish and disillusionment due to Lex’s machinations and manipulations. So his response seems entirely appropriate and entirely human, given the dramatic context. (After all, even Jesus — in his darkest moment — succumbed to an uncharacteristic expression of despair: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”)

Moreover, and just prior to his self-sacrifice, Superman tells Lois: “This is my world. You are my world.” This would appear to indicate a reassessment and repudiation of his prior statement. (Typically, you don’t fight for a cause you don’t believe in.) Thus, the apposition of the two sentiments — especially given the similar phrasing — seems quite deliberate.

Yeah that would work if any of it was earned...it wasn't. Superman at his lowest only works if you see him at his highest...we never do. We never get to see Superman not distrustful of society so his lowest is just one step lower than normal. He is never idealistic so the doubt is closer to nihilism than anything else.

Solid idea, terrible execution in literally every way.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Still love Man of Steel and BvS so-

Is it what everyone would want in Superman? No, not even Donner could achieve that, but I still like a Superman who isn't 100 percent wedded to the world. Even Hoechlin's Superman touches on that.

 

[Babillygunn]

Even Hoechlin's Superman touches on that.

It’s one thing to touch on a subject. That’s effective and provides depth.

It’s something else entirely to get mired in it and poop on the character as a result.

 

[antsman41]

Speaking of getting crazy emotional...

Posting gifs of Batman & Robin because I want to fit in even though this is a Superman thread until we get an official look at David as Superman (day 2)

Alicia as Batgirl >> Cavill as Superman

 

[Lily Adler]

Alicia as Batgirl >> Cavill as Superman

Barbara isn't Alfred's niece!

 

[Kane52630]

Oh yeah? then explain how Alfred knows her outfit size for her new batsuit in the most uncreepy way possible?

 

[Lily Adler]

Oh yeah? then explain how Aflred knows her outfit size for her new batsuit in the most uncreepy way possible?

 

[antsman41]

...just don't post a TKJ (movie) gifs lol

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Superchan]

It surprises me that this line elicits the reaction described. Surprising because it’s rather clear from the narrative that Superman is at his lowest point of anguish and disillusionment due to Lex’s machinations and manipulations. So his response seems entirely appropriate and entirely human, given the dramatic context. (After all, even Jesus — in his darkest moment — succumbed to an uncharacteristic expression of despair: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”)

Moreover, and just prior to his self-sacrifice, Superman tells Lois: “This is my world. You are my world.” This would appear to indicate a reassessment and repudiation of his prior statement. (Typically, you don’t fight for a cause you don’t believe in.) Thus, the apposition of the two sentiments — especially given the similar phrasing — seems quite deliberate.

Listen, nothing against you personally but I have no intention what so ever in getting into yet another discussion about BvS and it's sh**y handling of Superman because Lord knows I wasted enough time doing so back in 2016 when so many Snyder cult nutcases were infesting this forum.
I will say this one thing and then move on: In that abomination of a movie Superman starts out moody and it gets worse and worse culminating in his self-isolation on that mountain where he ends up having his 'acid-trip' conversation with pa Kent and one would think that after having to complete this long, arduous arc of self-descovery we will finally get the 'real' hopeful Superman that we've been teased with at the end of MOS but NO, certainly not in a Snyder movie. Instead of a proper arc we get a full circle where Clark starts out down and moody and ends up down and moody right before getting killed by cave-troll wannabe Doomsday.
The result of all of this is a movie that was derided by fans and critics (received a mighty 29% on RT) and absolutely loathed by the general public (BvS had the lowest multiplier of any movie with a 100 mill + opening in Hollywood history). It's truly an accomplishment for a movie that has Superman and Batman on screen together for the first time to not manage to crack 900 mill in an era where Capt America, Ironman, Cap Marvel and Black Panther were breaking the billion dollar mark.

 

[Adrian Chase]

One of the best CBMs ever

 

[Lily Adler]

...just don't post a TKJ (movie) gifs lol

 

[Lily Adler]

One of the best CBMs ever

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[jetage]

Please James Gunn, you have the ability to make this STOP, make it so

 

[Kane52630]

Does anyone remember that ep of STAS where Lana Lang was all about that Superman S?

 

[Lily Adler]

Does anyone remember that ep of STAS where Lana Lang was all about that Superman S?

Engineer Lana >>>>>>>> Fashion Designer Lana

 

[Boom]

Please James Gunn, you have the ability to make this STOP, make it so

If it's not Thursday I might become unmoored.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Please James Gunn, you have the ability to make this STOP, make it so

Seriously. My greatest hope is that James Gunn’s Superman movie is so good that I don’t ever again have to read pages and pages of debates over Snyder’s Superman, Singer’s Superman, or Lois & Clark. It will be lovely to never have to think about any of those things again.

 

[Lily Adler]

Engineer Lana >>>>>>>> Fashion Designer Lana

My Superman reboot would have focused on Clark using his investigating journalism skills in college to help track down what would become the Fortress and his origins as the alien who crashed near Smallville. Lana would have been the main love interest, but they break up in the end because she'd rather remain his friend and fears for her safety with any enemies Clark makes due to his powers and leaves for MIT for her engineering degree. He also begins trying to get a job in Metropolis and learn Star Labs may have more info on the origins of his ship. Intergang are the main antagonist and Clark tries to use his powers to get a major scoop on them to get a job at the Planet. We get Kalibak in the end who tells Bruno Mannheim that his lord is disappointed in his latest investment on Earth and wants to know more about this Superman.

 

[Adrian Chase]

Seriously. My greatest hope is that James Gunn’s Superman movie is so good that I don’t ever again have to read pages and pages of debates over Snyder’s Superman, Singer’s Superman, or Lois & Clark. It will be lovely to never have to think about any of those things again.

I believe in Gunn

 

[Captain Tired]

Seriously. My greatest hope is that James Gunn’s Superman movie is so good that I don’t ever again have to read pages and pages of debates over Snyder’s Superman, Singer’s Superman, or Lois & Clark. It will be lovely to never have to think about any of those things again.

You're asking a lot of the Hype there tbh

 

[SwordOfMorning]

The gravity of Snyder's interpretations is so powerful and so intrinsically linked to DC as a property in fandom and pop culture that I doubt it'll go away at any point in the near future. It's a massive, defining event in the history of these characters - it sucks, but it is. The DCU's very existence is linked to a chain of events started by Snyder and will probably be primarily discussed in conversation with those movies.

 

[flickchick85]

Seriously. My greatest hope is that James Gunn’s Superman movie is so good that I don’t ever again have to read pages and pages of debates over Snyder’s Superman, Singer’s Superman, or Lois & Clark. It will be lovely to never have to think about any of those things again.

There’s no movie that could achieve this.