The Dark Knight Rises The Dark Knight Rises Info Hunters Thread - - - - - Part 1

[TheToker87]

Hi guys and gals,

Been a lurker on these boards since after BB re-ignited my love of all things caped and cowled, finally decided to sign up today.

Re: The lazarus pit debate, I've seen the following idea mentioned before but I'd like to expand upon it if I may:

The lazarus pit is simply a 'gimmick' that Ra's uses to enhance his 'legendary' status amongst the LoS members (i.e. his minions/the LoS 'infantry'). So whilst we, the viewer, know it's not actually a supernatural pit of goo, everyone but Ra's thinks it genuinely has some healing/mystical properties.

Spoiler

Think Lord Blackwood in Sherlock Holmes, and the way he makes it appear that he has mystical powers to frighten people into joining his cause

I think this way Nolan has covered the more fantastic elements from the comics and kept it within his 'heightened realism' framework, whilst also making Ra's look even more of a mastermind than he did in BB

EDIT: Also, apologies to whoever I stole/slightly altered the above idea from lol

 

[Travesty]

We don't even know if that is a Lazarus Pit or not. It could be anything.

 

[Kane52630]

Well, the thing I don't understand, is that some threads have a "part #", and others are in roman numerals(ie. Tom Hardy as Bane VI).

The mods change the titles of the thread, thread manager does the part #. If you guys like to complain just simply ask a moderator to change the title of this thread.

 

[Travesty]

If you guys like to complain just simply ask a moderator to change the title of this thread.

I really don't care, I was just confused by the "system".

 

[Alex Logan]

Wow... this thread manager crap seems really stupid.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks so.

 

[Alex Logan]

I thought CBM was banned from here?

If not, they should be.

Well, that's what Bane is known for so I think it's a really good possibility. I'm not sure though if it will be a complete back break or it will just be a total beat down.

Dear lord, not this crap again. CBM reports stories from "reliable sources" only to have them rebunked a few says later.

That explains the 'I-know-what-happens-but-can't-tell-you' crap.

Yeah, tired of this crap myself.

I swear to god I'll walk out of the theater if Nolan tosses his whole vision down the $h*tter by introducing magic goo into his "world as we know it"!

Don't worry, he won't do that. And this garbage about breaking Batman's back is just that, garbage.

So desperate for news that we start believing **************.

Unbelievable.

Seconded.

 

[Alex Logan]

Can we stop with the realism thing?

No, we can't stop with the realism thing until people start "getting it".

These movies have a sense of realism, that's it.

Excactly, you said it yourself.

If these movies were realistic, Two-Face wouldn't have been able to speak properly.

This is ONE example of Nolan streaching his "realistic" world.

If these movies were realistic, Ra's Al Ghul wouldn't have been introduced as a character. His immortality was strongly hinted at in Batman Begins... now, that's not realistic, is it?

Clearly, you didn't understand that scene. His immortality was hinted at because he used doubles. A fake one would die and a new Ra's would rise up again. Everyone would believe he could resurrect himself, which would make him immotal.

There's no reason why the lazurus pit couldn't be used.

A bubbling pit what can heal any wound or make anyone young again? Yeah, there's no mystic or magic involved in that.

 

[QueenChaos]

Hi guys and gals,

Been a lurker on these boards since after BB re-ignited my love of all things caped and cowled, finally decided to sign up today.

Re: The lazarus pit debate, I've seen the following idea mentioned before but I'd like to expand upon it if I may:

The lazarus pit is simply a 'gimmick' that Ra's uses to enhance his 'legendary' status amongst the LoS members (i.e. his minions/the LoS 'infantry'). So whilst we, the viewer, know it's not actually a supernatural pit of goo, everyone but Ra's thinks it genuinely has some healing/mystical properties.

Spoiler

Think Lord Blackwood in Sherlock Holmes, and the way he makes it appear that he has mystical powers to frighten people into joining his cause

I think this way Nolan has covered the more fantastic elements from the comics and kept it within his 'heightened realism' framework, whilst also making Ra's look even more of a mastermind than he did in BB

EDIT: Also, apologies to whoever I stole/slightly altered the above idea from lol

We can't be sure the LoS will have a significant part, if showing up too much at all aside from possible flashback sequences due to the apparent inclusion of a "young Ra's". However, this is a very interesting application of the lazarus pit idea, something I hadn't thought of.

It does work into the mysterious presence he manifests - much is left vague, so this would depict him as being a master of "illusion" in many ways including the utilization of psychological manipulation on those around him.. which would have a dual purpose in upholding that mysterious persona - of clouding their minds from the truth as well as directly coming across (to the believers) as that sort of figure through his strange "powers".

 

[Troy_Parker]

No, we can't stop with the realism thing until people start "getting it".



Excactly, you said it yourself.



This is ONE example of Nolan streaching his "realistic" world.



Clearly, you didn't understand that scene. His immortality was hinted at because he used doubles. A fake one would die and a new Ra's would rise up again. Everyone would believe he could resurrect himself, which would make him immotal.



A bubbling pit what can heal any wound or make anyone young again? Yeah, there's no mystic or magic involved in that.

I said there's no reason why it couldn't be used. I'm neither against nor for the use of magic and mysticism in these movies... as long as it makes for a good movie, I'm cool with it.

Did you even read the whole post? I mentioned if Nolan has some way of explaining it by scientific methods, it fits in his world perfectly.

He doesn't even need to specify what the chemical is.

 

[Knight Rise]

no. Batman and science together equals a big no no. big headache for Knight Rise

 

[Troy_Parker]

...Science and scientific methods (well, pseudo-science) are something that's involved in Nolan's Batman.

 

[vanson]

the thread number is important, i wanna flame some people who start posting in a year from now...

"shut it, what do you know, we were here first!! ...oh wait a sec, this is part 2 !?? "

 

[Knight Rise]

no scientific methods. i dont want anything past mentos and diet coke. thats enough science for me......and its teh hip special effect!

 

[Troy_Parker]

Lol.

I'm just saying, don't be surprised if we end up getting that. Whether it's for the lazarus pit or Bane's venom.

 

[Alex Logan]

I said there's no reason why it couldn't be used. I'm neither against nor for the use of magic and mysticism in these movies... as long as it makes for a good movie, I'm cool with it.

Did you even read the whole post? I mentioned if Nolan has some way of explaining it by scientific methods, it fits in his world perfectly.

He doesn't even need to specify what the chemical is.

Yes, there is a reason why it can't be used and it's the same reason Nolan didn't use a chemical to turn the Joker white. And it wouldn't make the good, it would throw the pseudo-realistic world that Nolan has created right out the window.

Yes, I did read your whole post and I get what you're saying. I'm telling you Nolan doesn't have some why of explaining it by scientific methods because there is no way. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Lol.

I'm just saying, don't be surprised if we end up getting that. Whether it's for the lazarus pit or Bane's venom.

And I'm saying, don't be surpised when you don't see those things. Nolan has a direction that he wants to take the film and I'll bet you anything that it doesn't invlove a lazarus pit or Batman getting his back broken.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Just out of curiousity, what's so unrealistic about a chemical turning a persons skin completely white? It doesn't sound so out there.

 

[Knight Rise]

Just out of curiousity, what's so unrealistic about a chemical turning a persons skin completely white? It doesn't sound so out there.

its not unrealistic. who said it was?

 

[kvz5]

About the Croydon shoot last week:

http://www.thisissurreytoday.co.uk/...-BT-building/story-12746785-detail/story.html

Hollywood blockbuster begins filming at former BT building

HOLY Croydon, Batfans! The town centre's high-rises have been transformed into Gotham City as filming for the latest instalment of the Batman saga began in the borough.

Cameras, lighting equipment and film sets have sprung up around Delta Point in Wellesley Road, for the latest big-screen production involving the caped crusader.

An American-style taxi bearing the words Gotham Cabs has been seen on set, while the former BT headquarters has been renamed Gotham General Hospital.

But actor Christian Bale – who plays the reclusive crime-fighting hero – has been kept well out of public view.

Film crew members have tried to throw passers-by off the scent by saying that they are filming a baked beans advert.

One onlooker said he saw a dramatic car chase being filmed on set along with several rooftop shots involving the action hero.

The spectator also got a sneak peek of one of the characters crashing through a window of the building.

The onlooker said: "It's nice that Croydon is put on the map for the Batman film. Everything has been shot on the roof.

"They have great big cameras on the corner of Wellesley Road – and lights to light up the roof."

George Driver, 24, assistant manager of West Croydon comic shop Forbidden Planet, said the filming was great publicity for the town.

And the store has been feeling the impact of a Hollywood blockbuster coming to town. Mr Driver added: "We stock a lot of Batman masks and toys, so I think it's brought more people into this store and it's had a bit of an effect on our sales figures. Once fans knew the filming was in London they started playing detective like Batman, and came to Croydon to try to find the film set."

The new Batman film is not the first movie to be shot in Croydon. Fairfield Halls was used in the opening scenes of the 2005 movie The Da Vinci Code, starring Tom Hanks.

And scenes from the recent British drama Made In Dagenham were filmed in Croydon.

Cinema-goers may have recognised St George's Walk and George Street as settings in the film, while Fairfield Halls was used for the film's office scenes.

 

[Troy_Parker]

its not unrealistic. who said it was?

Yes, there is a reason why it can't be used and it's the same reason Nolan didn't use a chemical to turn the Joker white. And it wouldn't make the good, it would throw the pseudo-realistic world that Nolan has created right out the window.

Yes, I did read your whole post and I get what you're saying. I'm telling you Nolan doesn't have some why of explaining it by scientific methods because there is no way. You're comparing apples and oranges.



And I'm saying, don't be surpised when you don't see those things. Nolan has a direction that he wants to take the film and I'll bet you anything that it doesn't invlove a lazarus pit or Batman getting his back broken.

...

 

[Octoberist]

car chase?

 

[Mr. Earle]

Why were they filming there anyway? Does Croydon have a Gotham look to it?

 

[Octoberist]

from the pictures I've seen, no

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

Yay, some news! Thanks for posting. Car chase eh?

 

[kvz5]

I think most of the stuff they posted were accounts of what people saw or thought they saw so take it with a grain of salt. I do remember someone saying though that there seems to be some action happening at the parking lots so that might be it.

 

[Rocketman]

I personally don't understand why The Anti-Lazarus Pit Movement has any credible argument regarding it "not being realistic." It's quite simple AND realistic in Nolan's world. It's not like it has to be some swimming pool filled with magical green goo from Planet X.

There are plenty of herbs in reality that have healing properties, for example. This is basic science. Eucalyptus oils and leaves improve concentration and reduce stress. Elders repel colds, fevers, rashes, burns, and teething. Lemon Balms stop insomnia and anxiety.

It's based on fact. Herbs weren't an important key to the Resident Evil games just for the hell of it. They were scattered throughout the mansion and city because doctors were hopeful that they would help cure zombie test subjects. They help you heal as you play the game as well. Not the best example, but it's relevant in the world of fiction.

The Elder for example is part blueberry. Blueberries, spinach, and onions, just to name a few, are linked to cancer prevention. Green Teas have antioxidants that are linked to cancer prevention, and longer life expectancy. These cancer fighting agents come from plants, and can be purchased at your local grocery store. It's been proven to help the process.

I don't see why it's so unreasonable to link any of these things to the rare blue poppy flowers from Batman Begins. The Blue Poppy could be one of the herbs that has healing properties in addition to hallucinogenic properties. Why is it so ridiculous to have the League of Shadows create some kind of thick, green soup that combines herbs into a pit that helps heal someone through therapeutic means?

Women go to the spa and have a mud bath. They pay big bucks to have the herbs and vitamins in liquid dirt soak into their pores. They freakin' put slices of cucumbers over their eyelids. How is that any less ridiculous than a pit in the desert filled with medicinal herbs?

I personally see a possible storyline involving:

1. Bane and Ra's use the Pit for healing and rejuvenating qualities.
2. Flashbacks of Bane being trained by Ra's involving the formation of the Pit.
3. Bane breaks Bruce's back in Gotham.
4. Bruce hears of the Pit and travels to India.
5. Bruce uses the Lazarus Pit to help his broken back while he re-trains.
6. Bruce comes back to Gotham.
... Why is this so ridiculous?