Dark Phoenix $ The DARK PHOENIX Box Office Speculation ThreaD $

[SomeOldGuy]

Movie dropped 83%.

I think you can safely upgrade from “dropped” to “cratered” here. What a mess.

 

[JimThompson]

Well...this had the misfortune of coming out after Avengers: Endgame. Might be tough for any superhero movie to do well right then. People had just had their fill of that kind of film.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

In this case, I think a lot of things added up to create this mess and taken together it just crushed any sort of interest with the final dagger being the bad reviews. It had many, many problems. Far too many to say any one thing was dominant.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

So much for casual audiences finding it decent. As the damage control crew kept warning us about.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

So much for casual audiences finding it decent. As the damage control crew kept warning us about.

I think you can make that argument for The Last Stand. Definitely not for Dark Phoenix.

 

[Maestro216]

Well...this had the misfortune of coming out after Avengers: Endgame. Might be tough for any superhero movie to do well right then. People had just had their fill of that kind of film.

It can out in a crowded month.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

So did Aladdin. Not a good excuse.

 

[Detective Conan]

So did Aladdin. Not a good excuse.

Gotta agree here. And both Far From Home and Lion King are looking to do big bank at the box office in the crowded market. The simple reality was that this installment just wasn't piquing enough of the audience interest. It always looked small and kind of bland with none of the big event feel of Days Of Future Past had to draw people to see it. To the average audience member this just looked like any other X-Film therefore a lot of people skipped it. Which us why the MCU X-Men film has to feel fresh and new in order to renew audience interest which makes me think we won't see Magneto for awhile(though they might set him up down the line for a third film).

 

[Detective Conan]

This is what I wrote five months ago.

The fact that Aquaman, Black Panther are billion dollar grossers and while superhero movies which had well-known characters like BvS and Justice League couldn't join the billion dollar club tells you something. The X-Men need a fresh take if they are to stay relevant. The first MCU X-film needs to give audiences something new and explore different facets of the comics never touched upon by Fox. Of course, one shouldn't expect an MCU X-film to hit the billion dollar finish line right out the gate. Since obviously you need to build the brand back up but soon the potential for X-Men to be the biggest franchise in Marvel will become apparent and the only way to realize that potential is to evolve and change things up because (as the underperformance of 'Apocalypse' has shown) audiences don't want to see the same stuff over and over again. You gotta stay one step ahead of your audience and give them a dish they've never been served before or else they'll feel things are getting stale. This is exactly where we are with the current main series after 'Apocalypse' with 'Dark Phoenix'.
I'm willing to bet my entire comic collection that a film based on a B-lister like Captain Marvel will easily outgross Dark Phoenix because Captain Marvel is taking Marvel to uncharted territory with a female protagonist that subverts the origin story formula while Dark Phoenix looks like any other X-Men movie -- How can any audience member look at that abysmal excuse for a trailer not be like "Boring! Been there! Done That!"

 

[JimThompson]

So did Aladdin. Not a good excuse.

Not an excuse. Just a potentially contributing factor.

 

[FunkMiller]

Maybe, just maybe, remaking a movie that nobody liked in 2005, after releasing a movie that nobody liked in 2017, is not the best way to appeal to an audience.

 

[Zarex]

Gotta agree here. And both Far From Home and Lion King are looking to do big bank at the box office in the crowded market. The simple reality was that this installment just wasn't piquing enough of the audience interest. It always looked small and kind of bland with none of the big event feel of Days Of Future Past had to draw people to see it. To the average audience member this just looked like any other X-Film therefore a lot of people skipped it. Which us why the MCU X-Men film has to feel fresh and new in order to renew audience interest which makes me think we won't see Magneto for awhile(though they might set him up down the line for a third film).

If I were in charge of the MCU reboot I'd have BOTH Erik and Chuck "Missing and Presumed Dead" for at least the first two installments.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

My God Dark Phoenix will end up making less then 80M in America and nobody voted for that option up until now. I voted long time ago that would make over 700m worldwide.

 

[Detective Conan]

My God Dark Phoenix will end up making less then 80M in America and nobody voted for that option up until now. I voted long time ago that would make over 700m worldwide.

Really? Even most of the people who were optimistic about the film would be skeptical of anything that approaches DOFP’s box office after Apocalypse couldn’t reach that mark.

 

[psylockolussus]

I was thinking 110 million in North America with mid to low 40s ow. And a 350 to 400 million worldwide. I also eXpected a 40 something rating in RT. Wow. And people said I was negative, but my predictions weren't even that bad compare to the actual results. And the cinemascore rating of B- when no one X-Men even got a rating lower than B+ before 2019.

People just don’t care about this cast.

People just don't care about replacement cast that much when it comes to Marvel cb films. There's definitely a pattern here. Nobody wanted a reboot/replacement cast from foX yet they insisted in shoving the First Class cast in our throats. Its like with Andrew Garfield with Spider-Man and the Fant4stic cast. A Spider-Man 4 movie and Fantastic Four Three would have been more successful just like a X-Men 5 and X-Men siX. There's only few eXceptions that I could think of that worked (they are characters appearing in the MCU). In hindsight the first two films just with the First Class cast comparing to this Dark PhoeniX flop, still had okay numbers, but Dark PhoeniX is really dropping like a rock. And its crazy that its not even gonna outgross the first two Fantastic Four films (worldwide and domestic) Xpecially after years of inflation, China, IMAX, premium cinemas, 3D and 4DX.

I just hope, when Marvel Studios reboot both the Fantastic Four and the X-Men, they would recover quickly just like Spider-Man and get the public's interest. Its almost unbelievable to me that Kinberg managed to screw up my top two Marvel ips in the movies and both of them get/got disastrous/flop numbers. Geez. FoX could have learned a lot more of previous cbm fails and the success of the MCUbut here we are in 2019, a X-Men film flopping so hard.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well...this had the misfortune of coming out after Avengers: Endgame. Might be tough for any superhero movie to do well right then. People had just had their fill of that kind of film.

Yeah, I am sure no one is going to go see Spider-Man in a couple of weeks.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was thinking 110 million in North America with mid to low 40s ow. And a 350 to 400 million worldwide. I also eXpected a 40 something rating in RT. Wow. And people said I was negative, but my predictions weren't even that bad compare to the actual results. And the cinemascore rating of B- when no one X-Men even got a rating lower than B+ before 2019.


People just don't care about replacement cast that much when it comes to Marvel cb films. There's definitely a pattern here. Nobody wanted a reboot/replacement cast from foX yet they insisted in shoving the First Class cast in our throats. Its like with Andrew Garfield with Spider-Man and the Fant4stic cast. A Spider-Man 4 movie and Fantastic Four Three would have been more successful just like a X-Men 5 and X-Men siX. There's only few eXceptions that I could think of that worked (they are characters appearing in the MCU). In hindsight the first two films just with the First Class cast comparing to this Dark PhoeniX flop, still had okay numbers, but Dark PhoeniX is really dropping like a rock. And its crazy that its not even gonna outgross the first two Fantastic Four films (worldwide and domestic) Xpecially after years of inflation, China, IMAX, premium cinemas, 3D and 4DX.

I just hope, when Marvel Studios reboot both the Fantastic Four and the X-Men, they would recover quickly just like Spider-Man and get the public's interest. Its almost unbelievable to me that Kinberg managed to screw up my top two Marvel ips in the movies and both of them get/got disastrous/flop numbers. Geez. FoX could have learned a lot more of previous cbm fails and the success of the MCUbut here we are in 2019, a X-Men film flopping so hard.

You are confusing Fox crapping the bed with Last Stand and Origins, with the cast. First Class had to save the series.

 

[imbruglia]

this would make much more money(+350~500m) If they didn't do reshoot and stick with original version and release date. lol

 

[EnDz0n3]

First Class had to save the series.

Although I know what you mean, it still didn’t though. FC still “boasts” the franchise’s lowest domestic total, even unadjusted for inflation.

Well lowest until DPh.

 

[psylockolussus]

Box Office: 'X-Men: Dark Phoenix' Plunges Record 83% On Friday



Jesus.... the bolded part. Dark Phoenix may not be a disaster from a quality standpoint but its undeniably a disaster from a box office standpoint.

75 million... thats just 19million higher than Fant4stic's domestic gross. Yikes!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Although I know what you mean, it still didn’t though. FC still “boasts” the franchise’s lowest domestic total, even unadjusted for inflation.

Well lowest until DPh.

It had to show they could still make decent movies. That is basically the legacy of First Class and The Wolverine. Can DoFP happen without them? Probably not.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

Really? Even most of the people who were optimistic about the film would be skeptical of anything that approaches DOFP’s box office after Apocalypse couldn’t reach that mark.

Really. I really thought that because I thought this movie was going to be awesome and surpass Apocalypse in every way. And yet, I got say. X-Men Apocalypse have better action scenes than this movie but this movie got the character on the title better.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

I think that X-Men First Class doomed the series and X-Men Days of Future Past only made a lot of money because of the old cast in that movie. People never really connected with the characters introduced in First Class. Come on, First Class was the movie that made Mystique an original X-Men and now she's the leader of the X-Men in Dark Phoenix. First Class is really the movie that ruined everything. I'd have liked first class if they'd have used the original x-men instead of the characters that they used. They should have used Jean, Scott, Iceman, Beast and Angel as the first class because they were Charles first students, come on people it's in the comics.

Mistakes from X-Men First Class that doomed the series.

-> Mystique being Charles sister and one of the original X-Men
Most casual moviegoers knows Mystique as an villain from the first 3 x-men movies. To make the 5th x-men movie about her being the hero was something that did not sit right.

-> The whole plot about Magneto and Sebastian never happened in the comics. Everything wrong about that.

-> Cyclops is the older brother not Havok.

-> Beast transformation in a blue cat was terrible. I'm glad they fixed that on the next movie which was Days of Future past.

-> Emma Frost looked nothing like her. That scene when she's in jail she clearly could use her powers since she turned into diamond to break the glass. So, how were they keeping here there? She could have used her telepathy to make those men do whatever she wanted. In Uncanny X-Men in the comics, when the X-Men were living in San Francisco there was a issue where Emma Frost even overpower Charles and teach him a lesson of humility, that's how powerful she is.

I could go on because my list is very big about the flaws of X-Men First Class but I'll stop now because hardly nobody reads here. Let me just say to all that I hated X-Men Fist Class, in my opinion is the worse X-Men movie and even movies like X-Men Origins Wolverine and X-Men Last Stand are way better.

 

[Detective Conan]

^^ Worst than Origins? I don’t care much for First Class myself but I wouldn’t go that far. It’s at best a pseudo spy thriller with the X-Men thrown in the middle. Interestingly enough, the movie started off as a Magneto origin film before it evolved into a X-Men prequel film.

I still maintain that First Class should’ve been a hard reboot of the X-Men franchise. It was always a mistake to tie it to the previous X-Men films.

 

[Maestro216]

If I were in charge of the MCU reboot I'd have BOTH Erik and Chuck "Missing and Presumed Dead" for at least the first two installments.

Magneto yes, but Xavier is a founding cornerstone. Like Cyclops he must be in the film.