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[Comicbookguy339]

Gunn did say something to the effect of ''we'll be getting rid of what didn't work and keeping what did''. No doubt he'll be in the board room advocating for:

- Margot Robbie
- Viola Davis
- John Cena
- Whatever his wife wants to do

All of which will make it seem like he is serving himself and not the characters. Safran is a producer on Shazam: Fury of the Gods, Blue Beetle (the only one Gunn has actively promoted so far) and Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom. They are safe... The Flash they'll twist and manipulate to serve their vision, ending in a quasi reboot. They''ll protect what interests them and throw away what doesn't.

Working with Henry down the road sounded like PR fluff to take the sting out of the announcement. Cavill statement seemed to paint the picture much more clearly for me. Gunn wanted Superman and he wanted to do it his way, no baggage attached.

If Gunn really pulls this I'll definitely lose respect for him.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

If Gunn really pulls this I'll definitely lose respect for him.

I won't lose respect for him for not needlessly throwing away a good thing. Waller, Peacemaker, Harley are pretty much being executed the way they ought to be, not to mention they're so isolated anyways.

The Superman world however, Cavill, Amy Adams, etc, and the Justice League, arguably, not so much.

 

[Invader Joker]

Creatives have to let go of things they've worked on all the time.
Why people think he'd have such a hard time doing that when it comes to Peacemaker is beyond me. Peacemaker and TSS can and do stand on their own. They don't need to be connected to the wider DCU. And they both can end where he left them off quite nicely.

Peacemaker in particular there's pretty much no reason he'd keep it as part of canon because he referenced like a thousand DC things at random in that show (that he admitted himself he referenced pretty much randomnly, the Bat-Mite thing for example he just put for fun and said "well it's not my job to figure out how he fits in this universe so good luck!") that set up a very specific timeline in terms of heroes, how they're recognized in the public, etc. When he made Peacemaker by his own admission he wasn't thinking of world building or how it all connected in the universe, he just took advantage of the chaos that was DC at the time and how they let him say anything, so any info he set up there is useless because it was all quite literally a joke and I think he knows he can't build off random references he put that way.

Peacemaker Season 2 will get done and it'd probably be the last DCEU thing unless Shazam or Aquaman make a lot of money. And even those two I'm pretty sure won't be part of the DCU.

 

[Invader Joker]

Apparently, some of the main characters in the DCU will be older than Clark. Interesting.

He was referring to the core Superman cast. Lois, Perry White, etc.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

He was referring to the core Superman cast. Lois, Perry White, etc.

Ah, that makes more sense.

 

[Mani-Man]

Apparently, some of the main characters in the DCU will be older than Clark. Interesting.

What in gods name do people read into his comment to go with a younger Superman?

The man just said a younger Superman...how can people read all kinds of things into that?
Its quite possible that he just doesnt go with a 39 or 35 year old Superman and instead 30 or younger.
Nothing here indicates anything more than what he said...a younger Superman.
What that means and all, is absolutely unclear at this stage.

 

[Invader Joker]

What in gods name do people read into his comment to go with a younger Superman?

The man just said a younger Superman...how can people read all kinds of things into that?
Its quite possible that he just doesnt go with a 39 or 35 year old Superman and instead 30 or younger.
Nothing here indicates anything more than what he said...a younger Superman.
What that means and all, is absolutely unclear at this stage.

One of the trades said he's a cub reporter which I think would imply him to be in his 20s.

 

[Herolee10]

For anyone that's familiar with the Monday Night Wars, bringing Gunn on board as the new creative head in charge of DC feels akin to when WCW brought Vince Russo to help revitalize the company.

Like Vince Russo, most of Gunn's creative ideas are trashy and he only does well whenever someone is overseeing his work. I wouldn't be surprised if people end up wanting Zack Snyder back after they see Gunn's attempt at "fixing" the brand.

 

[LifesEnd]

I mean gunn when he adapts stories and characters is definitely not adapting it from page to screen 100 per cent in terms of proper characterisation etc...


But overall he still delivers great movies and episodes.

 

[king666]

For anyone that's familiar with the Monday Night Wars, bringing Gunn on boards as the new creative head in charge of DC feels akin to when WCW brought Vince Russo to help revitalize the company.

Like Vince Russo, most of Gunn's creative heads are trashy and he only does well whenever someone is overseeing his work. I wouldn't be surprised if people end up wanting Zack Snyder back after they see Gunn's attempt at "fixing" the brand.

Welp, I liked all GOTG movies (including the christmas special), had tons of fun with The Suicide Squad and loved Peacemaker. IMO all those movies are miles and miles better than anything Snyder has ever made.

Is there a chance Gunn ****s this up? Absolutely. Would I tune down some of Gunn's crass humor? Yes, some of his jokes just don't land. Is this going to be worse than Snyder? Possible but unlikely imo.

Gunn understands basic character arcs. So even if his Superman movie is filled with dumb jokes, chances are we're finally getting a cinematic version of Superman that feels like an actual character.

 

[Lily Adler]

For anyone that's familiar with the Monday Night Wars, bringing Gunn on boards as the new creative head in charge of DC feels akin to when WCW brought Vince Russo to help revitalize the company.

Like Vince Russo, most of Gunn's creative heads are trashy and he only does well whenever someone is overseeing his work. I wouldn't be surprised if people end up wanting Zack Snyder back after they see Gunn's attempt at "fixing" the brand.

Dude, I need you to take my hand and step away from that ledge of terrible thoughts you're on about there.

 

[Nemeres]

I've no idea why Gunn would have to get rid of Cena, Robbie and other popular characters or well-reviewed actors just bc he used them in projects already, as if meritocracy has to be thrown out the window just bc they made practical cuts elsewhere. It's a weird rationale for sure.

 

[Madam-Shogun]

I don't get how that would work. It would be downright unreasonable and unrealistic to assume that GAs watching the next big screen DC film will have all already played a previous game - or watched a previous animated movie - in order for the film to make sense. I just don't see how that expanded stuff could really contain more than nods and maybe a few Easter Eggs. Certainly nothing essential plot-wise.

It's already been pointed out that Star Wars already tried the whole multimedia Canon thing to wildly mixed results. Even the Disney stuff don't mesh well together lol

 

[Madam-Shogun]

I won't lose respect for him for not needlessly throwing away a good thing. Waller, Peacemaker, Harley are pretty much being executed the way they ought to be, not to mention they're so isolated anyways.

The Superman world however, Cavill, Amy Adams, etc, and the Justice League, arguably, not so much.

I'd argue his take on Waller was totally off.

 

[Madam-Shogun]

I've no idea why Gunn would have to get rid of Cena, Robbie and other popular characters or well-reviewed actors just bc he used them in projects already, as if meritocracy has to be thrown out the window just bc they made practical cuts elsewhere. It's a weird rationale for sure.

It's perfectly reasonable, hard reboot or don't.

 

[Prison Mike]

I've no idea why Gunn would have to get rid of Cena, Robbie and other popular characters or well-reviewed actors just bc he used them in projects already, as if meritocracy has to be thrown out the window just bc they made practical cuts elsewhere. It's a weird rationale for sure.

Because it doesn’t make sense to reboot some characters and not the others. All those characters are linked to the Snyderverse. It will confuse people to see a new rebooted Superman but other characters are the same as before? I’m not saying to get rid of the actors, they can be brought back in different roles.

 

[TheGDBatman]

By far the most annoying question so far is "why should I go see The Flash, Blue Beetle, Shazam 2, and Aquaman 2 if none of it matters??".

I don't know, because if they're characters you like and the WOM is good then it's worth watching? Everyone's acting like there was this big, magnificent grand plan for DC in place prior to Gunn coming onboard. The DCEU had never felt more directionless, honestly. Now Gunn is (seemingly) cleaning house, so yes, there will be some messiness during the transition. It's just how it is. Doesn't mean you can't go enjoy the last remnants of the old continuity or whatever.

 

[kguillou]

Agreed @TheGDBatman . You know, i think in the aftermath of the Marvel Cinematic Universe's success, there's this popular notion of movies "mattering" now. like, we cant just watch films anymore as singular entities and just appreciate them for being good movies. They have to "matter" and be part of some grand scheme. And look, i wont be hypocritical, I am guilty of that as well, but this is what this franchise mentality engineered by Marvel has done. Now a bunch of the fanbase is going to consider the 4 DC movies coming out next year as "wastes of time" because they dont "matter" anymore.

Maybe if they're (hopefully) good movies we need to just enjoy them as good movies. Thats how it used to be. lol

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

By far the most annoying question so far is "why should I go see The Flash, Blue Beetle, Shazam 2, and Aquaman 2 if none of it matters??".

I don't know, because if they're characters you like and the WOM is good then it's worth watching? Everyone's acting like there was this big, magnificent grand plan for DC in place prior to Gunn coming onboard. The DCEU had never felt more directionless, honestly. Now Gunn is (seemingly) cleaning house, so yes, there will be some messiness during the transition. It's just how it is. Doesn't mean you can't go enjoy the last remnants of the old continuity or whatever.

Agreed @TheGDBatman . You know, i think in the aftermath of the Marvel Cinematic Universe's success, there's this popular notion of movies "mattering" now. like, we cant just watch films anymore as singular entities and just appreciate them for being good movies. They have to "matter" and be part of some grand scheme. And look, i wont be hypocritical, I am guilty of that as well, but this is what this franchise mentality engineered by Marvel has done. Now a bunch of the fanbase is going to consider the 4 DC movies coming out next year as "wastes of time" because they dont "matter" anymore.

Maybe if they're (hopefully) good movies we need to just enjoy them as good movies. Thats how it used to be. lol

 

[antsman41]

You know what's even more exciting and will be a better form of storytelling... The Batman Cinematic Universe.

Again, leave Batman alone.

The Batman > The Penguin > The Batman 2 > Arkham(?) > The Batman 3 > ______(?) will be better than anything Gunn [no offense] makes with the whole lot of non-Batman DC characters.

Let alone who knows how much Reeves grows beyond Bruce and his villains.

Imagine a Robin film spawned out of The Batman 2 or 3... which maybe leads to Nightwing after that. They're not going to sleep on Kravitz' Selina either.

Heaven.

 

[Frodo]

At the end of the day , everyone's gonna make their own choices about which films they want to see or not .

I don't know which of those films I'll see ,but the end of the DC film universe as it stands isn't a deterrent for me to seeing one film or another.

I'm not obligated to see them just because I may be a fan of the characters.

If the film looks interesting to me, I'll see it.
If it looks awful ,I won't.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Imagine a Robin film spawned out of The Batman 2 or 3... which maybe leads to Nightwing after that. They're not going to sleep on Kravitz' Selina either.

Although Catwoman has obviously had a high profile over the years since Julie Newmar in 1966, in both live-action and animation, she's only had three solo ventures;

Catwoman (2004) -- with Halle Berry
DC Showcase: Catwoman (2011) -- animated short, voiced by Eliza Dushku
Catwoman: Hunted (2022) -- animated movie, voiced by Elizabeth Gillies

I'd love another Catwoman solo (Kravitz really surprised me).

 

[Prison Mike]

In the grand scheme of things, the shared universe concept is very new. The vast majority of movies, including comic book movies, have been stand alone.

 

[Iceman]

By far the most annoying question so far is "why should I go see The Flash, Blue Beetle, Shazam 2, and Aquaman 2 if none of it matters??".

I don't know, because if they're characters you like and the WOM is good then it's worth watching? Everyone's acting like there was this big, magnificent grand plan for DC in place prior to Gunn coming onboard. The DCEU had never felt more directionless, honestly. Now Gunn is (seemingly) cleaning house, so yes, there will be some messiness during the transition. It's just how it is. Doesn't mean you can't go enjoy the last remnants of the old continuity or whatever.

I have retroactively decided that TDK trilogy was an utter waste of time as it didn’t matter for further projects after it concluded. Wish I’d have known at the time so I could have got some gardening done instead or returned some library books.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I have retroactively decided that TDK trilogy was an utter waste of time as it didn’t matter for further projects after it concluded. Wish I’d have known at the time so I could have got some gardening done instead or returned some library books.