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[emielaen]

Eh. Seems like wait and see to find out. When actual stuff comes out, we'll know what's going on because it'll be the actual thing lol that is how this should all work. Canon is about what happens within the world and seeing is believing. When Waller or Peacemaker S2 comes out and does or doesn't address certain things, we'll know then. Like he said, canon starts with CC. There is no canon bc nothing exists yet.

I'm also not mad at his shared universe reply, but the comment he's replying to is so weird. Do people really not get that they just don't want to build on old ****? How are we still beating that drum?

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Eh. Seems like wait and see to find out. When actual stuff comes out, we'll know what's going on because it'll be the actual thing lol that is how this should all work. Canon is about what happens within the world and seeing is believing. When Waller or Peacemaker S2 comes out and does or doesn't address certain things, we'll know then. Like he said, canon starts with CC. There is no canon bc nothing exists yet.

I'm also not mad at his shared universe reply, but the comment he's replying to is so weird. Do people really not get that they just don't want to build on old ****? How are we still beating that drum?

Yeah, I don't get how Gunn picks which comments he chooses to reply to, more so when some are very troll-ish comments or ones that have nothing to do with DC. That's just feeding the trolls right there, and yet often those are the ones he chooses that he figures are worth a reply.

Granted, he could just not reply to anyone at all, and I will admit that this communication is better than anything we got from the likes of Emmerich, Kilar, Sarnoff, Hamada and so on, but still. Pick your battles, James. It does feel like the more Gunn tries to clarify, the more confusing it gets.

 

[emielaen]

Yeah, I don't get how Gunn picks which comments he chooses to reply to, more so when some are very troll-ish comments or ones that have nothing to do with DC. That's just feeding the trolls right there, and yet often those are the ones he chooses that he figures are worth a reply.

Granted, he could just not reply to anyone at all, and I will admit that this communication is better than anything we got from the likes of Emmerich, Kilar, Sarnoff, Hamada and so on, but still. Pick your battles, James. It does feel like the more Gunn tries to clarify, the more confusing it gets.

I don't have a problem with him replying to that message. He only really replied to the first half of it anyway while I was referring to the latter half. His answer was fine. That part of the question is just dumb lol

But Idk. I'm not very confused lol feels straightforward in my mind; some actors will reprise their roles and canon doesn't start til CC

If you're talking about how the general audience responds, we won't know til it happens. When its time to actually sell this stuff, I imagine they'll make it clear that its all a brand new story

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

I don't have a problem with him replying to that message. He only really replied to the first half of it anyway while I was referring to the latter half. His answer was fine. That part of the question is just dumb lol

But Idk. I'm not very confused lol feels straightforward in my mind; some actors will reprise their roles and canon doesn't start til CC

If you're talking about how the general audience responds, we won't know til it happens. When its time to actually sell this stuff, I imagine they'll make it clear that its all a brand new story

No, I don't mean that one specifically, I mean in general, more so when he did on Twitter too when he'd respond to tweets that really weren't worth his time or asking anything of substance.

Then again, it'd probably just be simpler to say the DCU is a soft reboot from the start, more so now that some actors from the DCEU are reprising their roles.

 

[emielaen]

No, I don't mean that one specifically, I mean in general, more so when he did on Twitter too when he'd respond to tweets that really weren't worth his time or asking anything of substance.

Then again, it'd probably just be simpler to say the DCU is a soft reboot from the start, more so now that some actors from the DCEU are reprising their roles.

Oh sure, sure. I think his sarcasm gets lost in some of that stuff sometimes lol but I digress. And yeah, you could call it a soft reboot outright, but that is more or less what he's saying, he just isn't using the term for whatever reason. It'll be the hardest soft reboot ever. More new faces in Legacy alone than those reprising their roles.

 

[Arachnerd]

I'm gonna take Gunn at face value with this and hope there's no confusion in watching Creature Commando and Superman Legacy as ground zero for a new cinematic universe. That being said, I'm still confused on why he and Safran couldn't just re-integrate Blue Beetle as the first DCU movie.

 

[dhandler01]

Eh. Seems like wait and see to find out. When actual stuff comes out, we'll know what's going on because it'll be the actual thing lol that is how this should all work. Canon is about what happens within the world and seeing is believing. When Waller or Peacemaker S2 comes out and does or doesn't address certain things, we'll know then. Like he said, canon starts with CC. There is no canon bc nothing exists yet.

I'm also not mad at his shared universe reply, but the comment he's replying to is so weird. Do people really not get that they just don't want to build on old ****? How are we still beating that drum?

This. Just wait and see trying to piece together everything when literally nothing has come out yet is ridiculous.

The shared universe reply was great...because I would bet the person who asked the question has a specific agenda and it isn't worth getting in fights with them. They can go watch Grace Randolph videos and bad Netflix movies.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I'm gonna take Gunn at face value with this and hope there's no confusion in watching Creature Commando and Superman Legacy as ground zero for a new cinematic universe. That being said, I'm still confused on why he and Safran couldn't just re-integrate Blue Beetle as the first DCU movie.

Honestly? Because it was DOA. Getting the DCU off to a start with Creature Commandos which is a bit niche but has a good shot at being well-received and then Superman: Legacy which they've got everything riding on is a much safer bet.

 

[flickchick85]

That being said, I'm still confused on why he and Safran couldn't just re-integrate Blue Beetle as the first DCU movie.

Because they had no input on the movie or the world it’s set in. It was already made when they took over. That’s the reason.

 

[Frodo]

I'm just gonna wait and see who stays and who goes.

At this point, I just care about them telling great individual stories with the journeys, of these individual characters.

I'm not all that concerned about how they all relate in an interconnected universe.

I get alot of fans do care about that , but at this point, I just want DC Studios to churn out good individual stories first and foremost.

If the new stories mean the return of old actors, from the previous continuities, then that's just how it is, as far as I'm concerned.

Ultimately, the product has to be good, regardless of what is canon , how it is canon, or what continuity it's a part of.

 

[TheScarecrow]

Am I the only one that doesn’t find this confusing at all? He clarified it pretty well as soon as he announced the reboot.

Some characters will be played by the same actors from the DCEU, and the events of TSS and Peacemaker S1 will be a “vague history” in the DCU but not canon.

 

[Eddie Dean]

It ultimately makes sense but he said it in an incredibly confusing way

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I've decided my attitude to all this is just 'We'll see when we see'. I'm not gonna burst a blood vessel trying to second guess it.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

But Idk. I'm not very confused lol feels straightforward in my mind; some actors will reprise their roles and canon doesn't start til CC.

I think it's the "some plot points might be consistent with plot points from ..." the old DCEU part that's causing a bit of confusion for some. But ultimately, Gunn's just saying that any events which coincide with his new plans on a really fundamental level will be preserved. For instance, Peacemaker having connections to Waller's SS is a major plot point that will obviously carry over, but a lot of other stuff that occurs in TSS or even the first season of Peacemaker (e.g., the Aquaman and Flash cameos) should be treated as non-canon unless otherwise stated. I guess you could say the new DCU's a bit like a parallel universe in that regard.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

He already decided Aquaman 2 is trash and ain’t pretending to spend time trying to answer questions about its place.

 

[emielaen]

I think it's the "some plot points might be consistent with plot points from ..." the old DCEU part that's causing a bit of confusion for some. But ultimately, Gunn's just saying that any events which coincide with his new plans on a really fundamental level will be preserved. For instance, Peacemaker having connections to Waller's SS is a major plot point that will obviously carry over, but a lot of other stuff that occurs in TSS or even the first season of Peacemaker (e.g., the Aquaman and Flash cameos) should be treated as non-canon unless otherwise stated. I guess you could say the new DCU's a bit like a parallel universe in that regard.

He kinda stumped me for a sec w that, but he said dozens of DC projects from the past across multiple mediums, so I took it as more than just the DCEU. I assumed he meant if something here resembles something from previous DC projects, its because those aspects are core to their respective characters. Like Batman being an orphan, for a hyperbolic example. But that also feels unnecessary to say. Your idea and examples make more sense lol

 

[B]

I'm gonna take Gunn at face value with this and hope there's no confusion in watching Creature Commando and Superman Legacy as ground zero for a new cinematic universe. That being said, I'm still confused on why he and Safran couldn't just re-integrate Blue Beetle as the first DCU movie.

I'm going to pretty much ignore everything he has to say about his DCU until the movies start rolling out, he's already said things that he's then had to backtrack or start sidestepping on.

 

[B]

He already decided Aquaman 2 is trash and ain’t pretending to spend time trying to answer questions about its place.

He's probably learned his lesson after how highly he spoke about Flash only to end up with egg on his face given it's BO performance.

 

[Babillygunn]

The funny part about the confusion around whether Peacemaker season 1 is cannon or how Waller’s previous appearances factor in as cannon is: do you really expect that Peacemaker I’m future projects will be so beholden in any way to the former appearances to make it confusing? And do you really expect a Walper appearence in the future to have a characterization of Amanda Waller that is in any way different than she has been portrayed across all media for the past several decades?

Peacekeeper is an ultra-patriotic goober with guns who is quite dangerous. It’s who he is and that won’t change despite continuity. Same with Waller: she’s an end justifies the means government bureaucrat who views Everything and everyone as expendable to the mission. That won’t change.

 

[flickchick85]

It’s not like Peacemaker was gonna be hanging out with Superman and the others anyway. That corner of the universe might as well be its own thing.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

The funny part about the confusion around whether Peacemaker season 1 is cannon or how Waller’s previous appearances factor in as cannon is: do you really expect that Peacemaker I’m future projects will be so beholden in any way to the former appearances to make it confusing? And do you really expect a Walper appearence in the future to have a characterization of Amanda Waller that is in any way different than she has been portrayed across all media for the past several decades?

Peacekeeper is an ultra-patriotic goober with guns who is quite dangerous. It’s who he is and that won’t change despite continuity. Same with Waller: she’s an end justifies the means government bureaucrat who views Everything and everyone as expendable to the mission. That won’t change.

Interestingly enough, Gunn's little corner of the DCEU (TSS, Peacemaker, etc.) always felt like its own thing in a way from the get-go. That bit [from TSS] about Bloodsport putting Superman in the hospital with a Kryptonite bullet, for instance, doesn't strike me as something that would happen in the Snyder-verse.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

It’s not like Peacemaker was gonna be hanging out with Superman and the others anyway. That corner of the universe might as well be its own thing.

I do hope that Waller plays a more prominent role in the larger DCU this time around, though.

 

[Babillygunn]

It’s not like Peacemaker was gonna be hanging out with Superman and the others anyway. That corner of the universe might as well be its own thing.

I wish that Peacemaker and Peacewrecker weren’t hanging out with the rest of DC’s heroes in the comics. They are obnoxious and annoying in the comics

 

[TheScarecrow]

Remember when Casino Royale's success was impacted because Judi Dench carried over in the reboot?

Or when no one understood that the Tom Holland Spider-man was in a separate universe to the Toby Maguire Spider-man even though JK Simmons played Jameson in both?

 

[Arachnerd]

Pretty sure absolutely no one was confused by JK Simmons popping up playing Jonah again in the MCU. Fairly easy to deduce that he was playing an MCU version of the character, it's not exactly a fair comparison here and not sure where you got that impression from. As for Judi Dench, she was the only returning actor to come back from a previous Bond run.

Too early to say how this will be handled, but I think Gunn's wording not being that straight and into the point is what's making a lot of folks confused. As for me, I'm just taking Creature Commando as step 1 of this universe and onward without having the need to see Peacemaker or revisiting TSS and Blue Beetle.