The Election Night Thread - Part 2

It's funny. Minorities are constantly told by conservatives that only they control their own destiny but guess who's terrified of becoming a minority?

This is hilarious cause it's this election in a nutshell. The majority has been telling minorities that we are being coddled and given handout after handout so the second the majority stopped getting coddled and centered they threw a fit and dumped the country into the garbage.
 
Only white people are labeled as racist in this country.

I've heard white parents complaining that their kids are teased and bullied by black kids at a school where whites are the minority.

I have no problem saying that this is racism and needs to be eradicated immediately.

But that's just a microcosm.

The nation as a whole is 63% white so they have the numbers and their racism has more sway.
 
Not voting is just as terrible. You for sure have LGBTQ people around you telling you they are scared they are going to lose their marriage rights, you for sure have Latino/Hispanic friends telling you they are scared of being harassed and deported, you have to have Muslim friends telling you they are scared to be profiled and watched, you have African-American friends telling you they are afraid of stop & frisk or being profiled more by police.

Yet through all of that, you still said to yourself "Meh, doesn't affect me, I'm don't need to vote." Yikes. Wish I could have done that!

Did I say I didn't vote in my statement? I did not vote, I'll outright admit that, but I did not do it out of apathy. My daughter has special needs and was required a long trip to a hospital far from us on Election Day, and I was not in a place to vote early either. That said I'd never have voted for Trump.

I was stating that there was a majority that didn't vote. Even then, I doubt every person of every race except white people voted either.
 
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It's funny. Minorities are constantly told by conservatives that only they control their own destiny but guess who's terrified of becoming a minority?

Every dominant group wants to stay dominant the world over, lets not be surprised by basic human instinct. Minorities are vying to become the de facto majority, since everyone is so dead set on lumping all non-whites together for some reason. So when minorities want to become the status quo it's a noble endeavor, when the current status quo wants to maintain it it's a racist agenda?

And again, using less than half or even a quarter of voters to make an assertion of a population?
 
This is hilarious cause it's this election in a nutshell. The majority has been telling minorities that we are being coddled and given handout after handout so the second the majority stopped getting coddled and centered they threw a fit and dumped the country into the garbage.

Yeah Trump won because uneducated whites feel they don't have the status and wealth their entitled to.

I'm like, "welcome to the real world where those with no college education have little prospects for careers and upward mobility".
 
So let's keep reminding them that their feelings don't count, then protest against them when they don't embrace our chosen leader.
 
Every dominant group wants to stay dominant the world over, lets not be surprised by basic human instinct. Minorities are vying to become the de facto majority, since everyone is so dead set on lumping all non-whites together for some reason. So when minorities want to become the status quo it's a noble endeavor, when the current status quo wants to maintain it it's a racist agenda?

And again, using less than half or even a quarter of voters to make an assertion of a population?

The thing is even if the white population fell to 49% they would be the biggest and most powerful minority by a wide margin but that's not good enough for conservatives.
 
The thing is even if the white population fell to 49% they would be the biggest and most powerful minority by a wide margin but that's not good enough for conservatives.

That's a very presumptuous statement, especially considering how many white millennials have adopted the minority cause.

And at 49% I doubt they're the biggest and most powerful minority. You see how people like SuperT talk, quickly mentioning homosexual, black, Hispanic and Muslim in the same breath. This election has solidified even further that on both sides of the aisle, at least at a grass roots level, it's become about the white heterosexual male vs everyone else. If you want to know why they have their hackles up it's because from a social perspective it seems like everyone is turning on that trifecta, in some cases justified in others not.

The minority groups want to pretend there's this mass unity and solidarity beteeen them for as long as they've identified the common mythical enemy, the white male. This narrative is going to keep community relations deteriorating until people have the maturity to abandon identity politics as their favored method of engaging with one another.
 
So let's keep reminding them that their feelings don't count, then protest against them when they don't embrace our chosen leader.

Look if they chose McCain, Romney, Kasich or Rubio then I would sugar coat it but when they elect a neofascist authoritarian to be leader of the free world I think that deserves a smidgen more criticism.

And I'm not saying their feelings don't matter.

Most people don't have college degrees regardless of race (Asians are sitting at 50% in no small part due to the brain drain). Lots of people are struggling.

But this kind of populism and nihilism gave rise to nazism in Germany and the cultural revolution in China.
 
that explanation was an article written by an asian guy who deconstructed your points. you have no answer to that except "ignore the racists and they will go away" :whatever::whatever:

One Asian guy against decades of metrics and research...wow.
 
That's a very presumptuous statement, especially considering how many white millennials have adopted the minority cause.

And at 49% I doubt they're the biggest and most powerful minority. You see how people like SuperT talk, quickly mentioning homosexual, black, Hispanic and Muslim in the same breath. This election has solidified even further that on both sides of the aisle, at least at a grass roots level, it's become about the white heterosexual male vs everyone else. If you want to know why they have their hackles up it's because from a social perspective it seems like everyone is turning on that trifecta, in some cases justified in others not.

The minority groups want to pretend there's this mass unity and solidarity beteeen them for as long as they've identified the common mythical enemy, the white male. This narrative is going to keep community relations deteriorating until people have the maturity to abandon identity politics as their favored method of engaging with one another.

Saying minorities are teaming up against the white male isn't true for most people of color.

There's plenty of distrust and resentment among Liberal whites, blacks, gays, Jews, Muslims, Asians and Latinos. In many cases these groups segregate themselves.

When these groups unify it's usually not the bigoted and hateful members who do so. It's the thoughtful, the tolerant, and the pragmatic members of that group.

That's the difference between white nationalism and minorities who unify behind a common cause.

These people just want a free/open, just and tolerant society so their kids can have a better life.

White nationalist want a better life for their children and scrap the other stuff.
 
Saying minorities are teaming up against the white male isn't true for most people of color.

There's plenty of distrust and resentment among Liberal whites, blacks, gays, Jews, Muslims, Asians and Latinos. In many cases these groups segregate themselves.

When these groups unify it's usually not the bigoted and hateful members who do so. It's the thoughtful, the tolerant, and the pragmatic members of that group.

That's the difference between white nationalism and minorities who unify behind a common cause.

These people just want a free/open, just and tolerant society so their kids can have a better life.

White nationalist want a better life for their children and scrap the other stuff.

exactly
 
Every dominant group wants to stay dominant the world over, lets not be surprised by basic human instinct. Minorities are vying to become the de facto majority, since everyone is so dead set on lumping all non-whites together for some reason. So when minorities want to become the status quo it's a noble endeavor, when the current status quo wants to maintain it it's a racist agenda?

And again, using less than half or even a quarter of voters to make an assertion of a population?


The defacto majority isn't that bad as long as everyone agrees to the bill of rights, human rights, the golden rule and tolerance.

I guarantee a society that's comprised of 15% of every group (Asians, blacks, whites, Muslims, Jews, LBGT) will be more tolerant of different ideas and beliefs than a society that has 85% of a single group.

Lots of cities are more tolerant of differences than homogenous areas.

That's not a bad thing regardless of what the alt right says.
 
Let's all move into trump tower when the world is destroyed from global warming. Every time pleople say it doesn't exist I think of the African doctor with the hiv curing magic herbs.

My own country gave the Keys to the kingdom to some of the most (racist and bigot is not strong enough) anti human, anti life, anti earth people I've ever had the displeasure of knowing at our last election - so it's a trend I guess? :csad:
 
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Well after reading a lot of the tweets today about the rampant racism running about Trump supporters, I'm still wanting to stand by not all Trump voters are racist, but the racists sure did come out of the woodwork. Holy ****, so many vile, awful people acting like they just got the right to act like a bunch of animals.

Again, I did not, and would have never voted for Trump, and I'm going to put my voice out there, for all my friends of color, who are LGBT, and for myself, but this will tear America apart if it continues.
 
At this point, it's only going to get worse - once this administration has full control and starts passing laws this stuff is going to hit the fan big time.
 
Saying minorities are teaming up against the white male isn't true for most people of color.

There's plenty of distrust and resentment among Liberal whites, blacks, gays, Jews, Muslims, Asians and Latinos. In many cases these groups segregate themselves.

When these groups unify it's usually not the bigoted and hateful members who do so. It's the thoughtful, the tolerant, and the pragmatic members of that group.

That's the difference between white nationalism and minorities who unify behind a common cause.

These people just want a free/open, just and tolerant society so their kids can have a better life.

White nationalist want a better life for their children and scrap the other stuff.

I kind of agree with this, but I feel that there's a good point to be made about a slight evolution in both bigotry and "white" culture. And the numbers that came out for Trump may have allied with a white nationalist cause while not being white nationalist themselves, but rather a culturally separate demographic that was repelled by Hillary Clinton.

First off, I think I can make a strong argument that the traditional American view of racism may actually have died out, but in its place the more complex (though no more morally acceptable) ethnocentrism has come. In the traditional American mind, racism is very closely ties to eugenics; we associate racism with an art director's limited knowledge of genetics and blood. If your ancestors hailed from a specific continent, that defined your identity, and no matter who you were, your blood would tell.

It's incredibly stupid, and to our nation's credit, I think that idea has mostly died out.

However, that just means we've fallen back on the ancient tradition of evaluating each other's cultures while still trying to prop up our own. In medieval Europe, a Frenchmen and an Englishmen were different "races" because they didn't speak the same language. In the Middle East, nomadic tribesmen went to war over monotheism and polytheism. And now in America, economic classes have slowly been evolving into a totally different subcultures, possibly all the way into truly different cultures. Country and city folk are growing even farther apart; urban flight has made suburban areas vastly different from urban areas, and even more different from rural areas, and almost entirely different cultures once you get to the coasts versus the Midwest.

Not that it's total, mind you; my family probably still fits into the traditional and expected "white American" category. But my family has been developing over a century to keep pace with that category: we're a middle class Protestant clan that started educating at least one of their kids to the college level three generations back and now expects every single member to graduate college. We're the people the education system evolved around. Heck, I find myself struggling sometimes to understand the priorities and believes of my own students, even when I speak the same language and go to the same church. But that's because my family has been taken care of by the government.

Families like the ones some of my kids hail from have no one educated past high school in their history, and not necessarily because of a lack of interest. The system simply developed beyond them in a manner similar to the way it sometimes does to racial minorities. These kids will immediately decry racism based off blood and genetics; they have no problem seeing the absolute moral repugnancy and stupidity of the Nazis and even the classic KKK. But they also have internalized opinions and beliefs based off the behavior of other cultures and their own. They can defend someone who looks different and hails from a different bloodline as long as they fit in among them. These kids would never believe the concept behind such things as the "single drop" law... but they ar convinced that city folk want to take their guns and move their jobs away entirely.

And at some point, possibly tied to the rise of the Clinton Democrats, the Democratic Party lost their connection to these people, these guys who go beyond "redneck" and get the derogatory name "white trash." And without the Democratic Party to focus them into Progressive policies, they succumbed to the "us vs. them" rhetoric that once powered the Dixiecrats and joined with single issue voters who don't care beyond that single issue and other such demographics to swing the swing states red for a repugnant candidate. That's how a family like mine that voted solidly Republican in the last two elections could mostly flip for Hillary, and yet have others fill up our place. We're conservative in that the status quo is already working for us, and these new guys are looking for something- anything- that can make the status quo work for them.
 
Trump got almost 10% of the black vote. Are they racist white people trapped in black bodies?

Just the stupid 10% who took their right to vote for granted and treated it as a joke much like those who chose it to vote. Even the one (& I'm Black myself), shouting at me from the passenger seat to "grab her by the *****"
 
I've been trying very hard to process this election. I, like Van Jones and so many others, am trying to figure out how to explain it to my daughter. I am trying to figure out how to explain to her that despite being more qualified and better suited for a job, Hillary Clinton was passed over by a misogynistic, bigoted, rich white man. I am trying to figure out how to explain to her that this is the reality she will live in. I am trying to figure out how to explain to her that she will have to work twice as hard for everything and even then, if a white man wants it, she won't get it, because even 100 years after suffrage, that is still the America she lives in. I am trying to figure out how to explain that she lives in an America where the President views her as little more than a living and breathing sex toy.

Fortunately, I have time. She is too young to truly understand this stuff right now. But she won't be forever. Before Trump's first four years end, she will be old enough to ask questions about this election, about the things that the President has said...and I really don't know how to explain it.

Sadly I came to this thread tonight to bring up something similar. I have a co-worker who always brags on his young daughter, and admits he's not a Trump fan. He said during lunch today that the main reason he didn't vote Hillary was he thought being a woman made her too weak to handle the presidency. I just overheard him, and won't go over his whole conversation. I just wonder if everytime he tells his daughter she can do, or be anything she sets her heart on, if he's thinking, "well except president, or any other man job that requires tough talking, or is important nationally". It makes you realize that no matter how far we've come, even seemingly reasonable people hold these kind of thoughts under the surface.
 
Yeah, see, I don't buy that argument at all. Thought the same when a loudmouth like Rachel Maddow said that third party voters don't care who becomes President. You can be upset that your side lost and look for ways to process it, but that's just playing the blame game and going after people for voting the way they chose. You don't like the results, that's fine, but don't use it as an excuse to use third party voters as a scapegoat when they could have voted for either Clinton OR Trump, not just one of them.

Fact is you're always gonna have people dissatisfied with the two main choices and will vote for someone else. That's their decision. You may consider it a bad one, but that's their choice and they at least have the right to that decision just as much as you have the right to disagree. But to debase them? That does no one any favors anymore than the Trump and Clinton supporters still resorting to name-calling even though the election is done.

Agreed. The reason we're still a 2 party system, and have elections where it HAS to be Trump or Hillary is because we've convinced ourselves 3rd party votes are useless. I don't want to become the type of voter who votes along party lines for the lesser of two ego's...err evils. I strongly dislike Trump, but i also didn't want to give Hillary the office as I'm not a fan of her politically either. So I vote Hillary because I dislike Trump more? I vote because I agree with a candidate.

If more people did the same I think we'd see 3rd parties actually be viable. However, that will never happen as long as we mock voting 3rd party. I may side with Democrats more often than Republicans anymore, but that doesn't mean I'm going to vote whoever has a "D" by their name just because I dislike the opponent with an "R" by their name even more. I'll vote my conscience, even if it doesn't get me on the winning side. Plus IMO the more choices are better.
 
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We can't have common sense like that round these parts.
 
I'll put it this way. Less than 50%of the country voted. There are a LOT of voters to pull from. Horrible as it is, Trump supporters are passionate for him. They got out of their homes for him. Hillary didn't excite the voters. People voted just to vote against her, people voted 3rd party to avoid voting Hillary or Trump, she didn't unify the party, and didn't even unify women voters. The last part is even more amazing given she's a female candidate up against a sexist who brags about hitting on married women, touching them inappropriately and unwantingly due to status, and insults them like a 3rd grader. Hillary didn't win because she was drawing from a fragmented pool, and didn't excite or make them passionate enough to vote for her. Trump spoke to the worst of America, but he did speak to, excite, and unify them. Trump got enough people to want to vote for him (or atleast against Hillary), Hillary didn't. People wouldn't have went 3rd party, or not voted at all if Hillary had been a better candidate.
 

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