The Election Night Thread - Part 2

[SV Fan]

Horrible as it is, Trump supporters are passionate for him. They got out of their homes for him. Hillary didn't excite the voters.

It should be noted when all the votes are counted Trump most likely will have less Votes then Romney did. Did Romney excite the voters more then Trump?

Romney had 60.9M votes, Trump currently stands at 59.9M(with less then 1% less to count, and most of those are in big cities in Liberal states so don't expect him to gain that 1M voters)

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Historic Presidential Election Trends (1988-2012):


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Pending 2016 Election Results (not final):
Donald Trump (R): 60,051,402 votes / 47.19% / 306 electoral votes (if wins Michigan)
Hillary Clinton (D): 60,473,711 votes / 47.52% / 232 electoral votes (if wins New Hampshire)
all others: 6,724,359 votes / 5.29% / 0 electoral votes

 

[Fading]

It should be noted when all the votes are counted Trump most likely will have less Votes then Romney did. Did Romney excite the voters more then Trump?

Honestly, I think we'll see turn out lower this race than last as a whole. Trump gets less votes than Romney, Hillary still loses to him with a narrow lead in the popular vote, while Obama topped Romney. Even if it's a smaller voting pool, Trump brought more voters to the polls where it mattered. I don't like it, but he did. Trump spoke to a lot of special interest groups, racist, sexists, anti-Hillary, even people just afraid of change. They voted Trump because they were passionate about his pandering, and empty promises. He said things that would be career killers for any other politician, thus getting the vote of people who politicians normally would never pander too because they hold views that most of us deem socially and morally wrong. Palin is the only other president/vice-president candidate for the big 2 I can think of in modern times who unapologetically spoke to groups like the kkk like that (not directly of course). Hillary however didn't unify her party, let alone speak to many outside of it.


I think the only thing pro-Hillary I'll remember from this campaign is a commercial of Trump mocking a guy with disabilities, race baiting, and being a misogynist with kids watching the screen, and the tag line asking if we want that man as a role model for our children. Most of my memories of this election will be of Trump saying stupid, and awful things. Not of Hillary exciting me to vote for her. I have a feeling a lot of people feel the same way. For better of worse, this election was all eyes on Trump to see what he'd do or say next.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Total votes
2004: 122,303,590
2008: 131,473,705
2012: 129,237,642
2016: 127,249,472 (not all counted yet)

 

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Historic Presidential Election Trends (1988-2012):


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Pending 2016 Election Results (not final):
Donald Trump (R): 60,051,402 votes / 47.19% / 306 electoral votes (if wins Michigan)
Hillary Clinton (D): 60,473,711 votes / 47.52% / 232 electoral votes (if wins New Hampshire)
all others: 6,724,359 votes / 5.29% / 0 electoral votes

Should have waited for this as it shows what I was thinking. Obama trumps (no pun intended) Mitt by 5 million with 65.9 million, Hillary and Trump almost tie with barely over 60 million under Romney's 60.9 million . People didn't care as much to vote in this election. Both candidates were awful, IMO. So a 5 million + lower turn out for the 2 big parties. Seems like 3rd party votes shore up the count a bit, but still under 2012 by millions. Plus plenty of people vote to vote for things other than the presidency, like local elections, marijuana legalization, ect.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Third party vote and vote share went up - currently the highest since 1996.

 

[Marvel]

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[Shikamaru]

Apparently 65% of those who voted Trump in the northern Midwest states said their primary reason for voting him were his trade policies. Usually 90% of the people who favor protectionism vote Democratic.

That's where Hillary screwed up the most. There were some states like Wisconsin where she didn't even bother to campaign. She just assumed she had those states on lockup.

She was clearly deluded to think she could win against Trump so easily. It reminds me of something Adam Smith once said about the rich: that the richer they get, the more out of touch they get with the rest of the population. The more they look down on the workimg class and other groups. And that opens the perfect window for a con man like Trump to come in.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I hope they enjoy not having healthcare.

Hope they don't have any preexisting conditions.

 

[SV Fan]

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I don't get why Trump supporters are making a big deal out of this map, looks at the 2012 or 2008 maps they relatively the same

 

[Thundercrack85]

Because Trump supporters don't understand complex things like population density. Probably why they elected a conman.

 

[Shikamaru]

Anyone else see the irony here?

The DNC conspired against a candidate who wanted to make the US more like Europe...and it lead to the election of the US' first European-styled Nationalist.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The biggest irony is Trump railing against the Electoral College, and then it gets him elected.

 

[SV Fan]

The biggest irony is Trump railing against the Electoral College, and then it gets him elected.

I could only imagine if the situation was reversed how he would cry "rigged"

At some point in time I wish the Republicans would win the popular vote and lose the electoral vote and then we might be able to do something about the electoral vote.

 

[LoganGambit87]

so anti trump protest groups are now rioting ,burning and trashing cities
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us/oregon-protest-riot/index.html

 

[Thundercrack85]

Thank God Obama is still in the White House. Who knows what Trump would do.

 

[Kyle]

so anti trump protest groups are now rioting ,burning and trashing cities
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us/oregon-protest-riot/index.html

Anti nazi protests are known to be very violent. Not a surprise at all.

No I'm not saying Trump and all his supporters are nazis. His rhetoric didn't help matters. Mistake or not, he inspired them and they rallied behind him. After he won we saw an increase in nazi symbols around the country. Not only did this attract nazis it obviously attracted anti nazi protestors who are also known for their violence.

In short, don't look at what's happening as a party line thing. It's undoutable those anti nazi violent protestors are mixed into these with everyone else. It fits the same M.O. It's just a further extension of the misguided nazi connection going on around the country just anti.

 

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Apparently 65% of those who voted Trump in the northern Midwest states said their primary reason for voting him were his trade policies. Usually 90% of the people who favor protectionism vote Democratic.

That's where Hillary screwed up the most. There were some states like Wisconsin where she didn't even bother to campaign. She just assumed she had those states on lockup.

She was clearly deluded to think she could win against Trump so easily. It reminds me of something Adam Smith once said about the rich: that the richer they get, the more out of touch they get with the rest of the population. The more they look down on the workimg class and other groups. And that opens the perfect window for a con man like Trump to come in.

A rich candidate who lives in a bubble will definitely be out of touch. You have candidates who start out well meaning, and passionate about politics turn to **** after 20 years in Washington. That's why Romney and Ryan worried me. Ryan turned his back on the very social support systems that helped him, and his father. While Romney looked down on the poor. Currently the cost of living has far outpaced wages. Places like Michigan are drowning more than ever. I honestly can see Trump turning down the minimum wage talks, and targeting food stamps instead. He doesn't get the people who struggle, so he's not going to champion them. He's far more likely to go with what he knows, and push ideas that bolster the largest businesses from the top down (aka his friends and business associates).

 

[DeadPresident]

Anti nazi protests are known to be very violent. Not a surprise at all.

No I'm not saying Trump and all his supporters are nazis. His rhetoric didn't help matters. Mistake or not, he inspired them and they rallied behind him. After he won we saw an increase in nazi symbols around the country. Not only did this attract nazis it obviously attracted anti nazi protestors who are also known for their violence.

In short, don't look at what's happening as a party line thing. It's undoutable those anti nazi violent protestors are mixed into these with everyone else. It fits the same M.O. It's just a further extension of the misguided nazi connection going on around the country just anti.

I don't think this is nearly as much about anti-Nazi protest as it is about Trump winning and the millennial crowd throwing their toys out of their collective cot. I'm sure they'll go after Trump supporters and neo-Nazis all the same.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

so anti trump protest groups are now rioting ,burning and trashing cities
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us/oregon-protest-riot/index.html

You know as much as I know when a private business, like a mom and pop shop, or a locally owned branch of a chain gets vandalized or destroyed, it should not happen, and those people were not involved with whatever happened and didn't deserve to have their business ruined, but I do think this is a time when protests need to more aggressive. I don't want people hurt or killed, I don't want the things of people destroyed, especially ones who do not deserve it. But without some force, I feel like it'll be like a lot of other protests that went nowhere.

 

[NHawk19]

Idiot protestor tries to smash a transformer.

https://***********/KATUNews/status/796965995260813312/video/1

The clash starts when people try to stop him. Protestors now fighting protestors. . .

 

[terry78]

So it begins.



And yeah, 3rd party candidates have been the red headed special needs stepchild for years as far as most of the country is concerned.

 

[DeadPresident]

Idiot protestor tries to smash a transformer.

https://***********/KATUNews/status/796965995260813312/video/1

The clash starts when people try to stop him. Protestors now fighting protestors. . .

Definitely a clever bunch, these. Protests generally tend to be futile, especially when you're protesting a president-elect just because he wasn't your candidate. A lot of democrats are now behaving the way they feared republicans would if Trump lost.

 

[Handsome Rob]

Hey, anyone remember when some on the left were saying they were worried that Trump supporters would riot and cause violence when Hillary won the election?

I wonder how many of those same people are now excusing or minimizing the riots going on now? More than are willing to admit, I'll bet . . .

 

[Handsome Rob]

Definitely a clever bunch, these. Protests generally tend to be futile, especially when you're protesting a president-elect just because he wasn't your candidate. A lot of democrats are now behaving the way they feared republicans would if Trump lost.

And . . . DP beat me to it.