The Election Night Thread - Part 2

[TheCommissioner]

CNN made something like an extra 45-50 million on Trump because he drove ratings

NO ONE took him seriously, even after he got the nomination

 

[DeadPresident]

The problem with society is if enough people agree on something then any concept can become "normal" or "acceptable". It might seem like some kind of Orwellian hyperbole but I don't think we fully respect the ability of digital and social media in their current forms to accelerate and proliferate changes in common discourse. I mean, for Trump to go from household joke to American president in essentially a calendar year is absolutely astounding.

If CNN ran a concerted campaign for 6 months about how car tyres made out of styrofoam are a good idea you'd have 20 companies making supernormal profits off it within a year. The irresponsibility of media coverage is something that needs to be looked at, when any loudmouth can guarantee a platform for his nonsense because he knows media outlets will pick it up there's a problem.

 

[hellified]

what trump was was what hillary just could never be.. a change agent. trump isn't a decades old politician..hillary is...its the exact SAME reason a jr senator with a weird name beat her in 2008.. Obama represented new blood where hillary was the same old same old.

The calculation the dems made was that they could get hillary on on Obama's coattails as a third term candidate but what they didn't factor in was that over 2 terms a portion of those who voted for him in 08 and 12 were severely disappointed it was THAT faction that didn't vote for her. They didn't want an Obama 3rd term by Hillary who offered nothing new. All the states Obama either flipped or held she couldn't.

As much as I hate trump on a personal level. Much like a heist you have to morbidly admire the way he decapitated blow parties.

At this point if things keep going the way they are Kanye West JUST MIGHT win in 2020.

 

[2kt09]

this is why actors need to stick to acting

Robert De Niro on Donald Trump's Election: "I Feel Like I Did After 9/11"
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...trumps-election-i-feel-like-i-did-9-11-946672

Gotta love those offensive twitter tags and various other ironic expressions of protest.

The problem with society is if enough people agree on something then any concept can become "normal" or "acceptable". It might seem like some kind of Orwellian hyperbole but I don't think we fully respect the ability of digital and social media in their current forms to accelerate and proliferate changes in common discourse. I mean, for Trump to go from household joke to American president in essentially a calendar year is absolutely astounding.

Enough people seemed to have agreed his soundbites have no bite to them and the media insisted that those mattered more than policy proposals.
The media sure did milk Hillary for what she was worth and without her being out there as often and letting a lot more resources including the media do the work for her, well...

irresponsibility of media coverage is something that needs to be looked at

I've seen nothing but from both sides, even from Donald Trump's own insistence

 

[Shikamaru]

I'm curious, what do people think would have happened if Hillary won?

There was still gonna be another Trump. The Establishment was never going to address the problems that lead to the rise of someone like Trump. They would have continued their mistakes and another opportunist would have come in. If not in 2020, then 2024. If not then, then 2028....

So even if she won, assuming the system continued to subdue populist candidates, you would have just postponed the inevitable. It wasn't unpredictable. It's not a mystery. It's actually something many intellectuals saw coming, if you do a bit of research.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

this is why actors need to stick to acting

Robert De Niro on Donald Drumpf's Election: "I Feel Like I Did After 9/11"
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...trumps-election-i-feel-like-i-did-9-11-946672

Poor form on his part.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I'm curious, what do people think would have happened if Hillary won?

There was still gonna be another Trump. The Establishment was never going to address the problems that lead to the rise of someone like Trump. They would have continued their mistakes and another opportunist would have come in. If not in 2020, then 2024. If not then, then 2028....

So even if she won, assuming the system continued to subdue populist candidates, you would have just postponed the inevitable. It wasn't unpredictable. It's not a mystery. It's actually something many intellectuals saw coming, if you do a bit of research.

If it had been a really well disguised Manchurian Candidate situation I can see how people could fall for it. But Trump? Looking at the anti-progressive platform of the Republicans he beat, there's something to be said for exactly how rudimentary his voters wanted him to be.

 

[2kt09]

I'm curious, what do people think would have happened if Hillary won?

In the immediate sense, my colleagues would not be so moody to not commit to this bet we agreed upon.

Actually in Office Can Assume She Gets Some Good Done
1) Due to several alarming scenarios that have come up during this campaign Tim Kaine takes over the remainder of her term.
2) Everything (wars/economic decline/social unrest) that have been suggested to be problematic under her presidency persists,
yet nothing impeachment worthy.
3) No significant contribution/change

There was still gonna be another Trump. The Establishment was never going to address the problems that lead to the rise of someone like Trump. They would have continued their mistakes and another opportunist would have come in. If not in 2020, then 2024. If not then, then 2028....

So even if she won, assuming the system continued to subdue populist candidates, you would have just postponed the inevitable. It wasn't unpredictable. It's not a mystery. It's actually something many intellectuals saw coming, if you do a bit of research.

Wasn't Obama considered a populist back in 2008?
A familiar concern without the hyperboles => Trump succumbs to what he promised to overcome.

 

[mclay18]

Yeah, I don't see Trump making a second term unless he surprises everyone in an good way. The man has been all-over-the-place unpredictable since he announced his candidacy. First, he's spouting ridiculously unconstitutional GOP promises, insults women the next, and then he sounds like a Democrat.

The reaction if Hillary won would be very jubilant, but short-lived. The Senate and House would be hell-bent to deny every bill she tries to get signed. It's funny how this works since Trump will have the same problem in reverse.

 

[Victarion]

I was prepared to hit rotations, hit the gym, hit the bed and repeat regardless of the victory tbh. Regardless of whichever side won, I figured the apocalypse would be overhyped/over-feared. I had no dog in either side of the fight, but I went ahead and went with her.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I'll say this, Trump's supporters scare me more than the man. I mean at least Trump is trying to be somewhat conciliatory. Trump's supporters act like they own the country now.

 

[The Overlord]

I'll say this, Trump's supporters scare me more than the man. I mean at least Trump is trying to be somewhat conciliatory. Trump's supporters act like they own the country now.

I can't stand Trump's surrogates, in some ways those grinning ghouls are worse then Trump, Trump is more capable of humility then them.

Corey Lewandowski trying to humiliate Van Jones after the Trump victory just shows what kind of person he is and he is going to be part of Trump's staff now. The fact that CNN hired him to be an commentator on their network is to their shame.

 

[Thundercrack85]

CNN is a disgrace to journalism.

 

[The Overlord]

CNN is a disgrace to journalism.

It was kinda funny watching Trump's ring wraiths say stupid things and other more intelligent commentators smack them down, but frankly they were right in one key area, saying Trump would win and the logic they presented for that did ultimately held up.

These people quickly became tiresome before the election, now they are just smug and full of themselves and I never want to see them again.

I will stick to watching CBC News over any American channel in the near future.

 

[regwec]

Yeah, I don't see Trump making a second term unless he surprises everyone in an good way.

I think that expectations are low enough for this to amount to a virtual certainty.

 

[Victarion]

I can't stand Trump's surrogates, in some ways those grinning ghouls are worse then Trump, Trump is more capable of humility then them.

Corey Lewandowski trying to humiliate Van Jones after the Trump victory just shows what kind of person he is and he is going to be part of Trump's staff now. The fact that CNN hired him to be an commentator on their network is to their shame.

I felt like Van's reaction was on the same spectrum as the Trumpkins' in terms of being overblown, especially when the electoral college can still give Clinton the presidency.

 

[The Overlord]

I felt like Van's reaction was on the same spectrum as the Trumpkins' in terms of being overblown, especially when the electoral college can still give Clinton the presidency.

That is fair, but I think Van Jones is an intellectual level above the Trump trolls (which is not saying much) but is still on something as sound bite driven and sensationalist as CNN, which means he is limited by the format he is on.

Still there is no reason for Corey Lewandowski to be rude to him in that way, that is just mean.

 

[2kt09]

[YT]SHG0ezLiVGc[/YT]

 

[TheCommissioner]

Still there is no reason for Corey Lewandowski to be rude to him in that way, that is just mean.

when you're in that camp, being rude to minorities is ok because its not like they are your equal

or so the thinking goes

 

[Shikamaru]

In the immediate sense, my colleagues would not be so moody to not commit to this bet we agreed upon.

Actually in Office Can Assume She Gets Some Good Done
1) Due to several alarming scenarios that have come up during this campaign Tim Kaine takes over the remainder of her term.
2) Everything (wars/economic decline/social unrest) that have been suggested to be problematic under her presidency persists,
yet nothing impeachment worthy.
3) No significant contribution/change

That's why I didn't think she was gonna win. When people are desperate for change, they'll take bad reckless change (like with Trump) than maintain the status quo. The American people reached their limit. Them electing a Trump-esque figure was unfortunately bound to happen.

Wasn't Obama considered a populist back in 2008?
A familiar concern without the hyperboles => Trump succumbs to what he promised to overcome.

He ran on a very Progressive platform but was still an Establishment Democrat. So this time the people craved for an actual outsider.

 

[2kt09]

That's why I didn't think she was gonna win. When people are desperate for change, they'll take bad reckless change (like with Trump) than maintain the status quo. The American people reached their limit. Them electing a Trump-esque figure was unfortunately bound to happen.

It was definitely this election campaign and the various systems + events that played into it.
I didn't think she was going to win because she relied on rote practically detached tactics and didn't nearly have the genuine support Trump had.
In the "lesser of 2 evils" category, it also seemed obvious more people voted against Trump let alone against both than they actually wanted to vote for her.

 

[chaseter]

Saw a funny comment on Facebook:

All those celebrities threatening to move to Canada are racist against Mexicans because they won't threaten to move to Mexico...lol

 

[childeroland]

Have to admit, that is pretty funny.

 

[Marvolo]

Saw a funny comment on Facebook:

All those celebrities threatening to move to Canada are racist against Mexicans because they won't threaten to move to Mexico...lol

Or they just prefer Canada which in most places has English as a first language and is more like America and I assume doesn't have as many extremely deadly cartels. And there is more career opportunities with better pay in Canada. Canada also produces a lot of tv shows and works with the American entertainment industry regularly which is good for celebrities. Also preferring Canada to Mexico isn't racist. You can't be racist against a country or even it's government.

Personally I'd choose Canada over Mexico just for its climate. Guess that makes me a climaticist.

 

[Greens]

Canada has deadly bears, though..