The Dark Knight Rises The End

[CaptainSpunk]

I really dont like the fact that Nolan thinks Batman is something that can be given up. Batman is eternal... Batman is forever... Batman should not just be a man in a suit. He's the symbol. He might end up not being the Batman we need right now.

 

[weezerspider]

I really dont like the fact that Nolan thinks Batman is something that can be given up. Batman is eternal... Batman is forever... Batman should not just be a man in a suit. He's the symbol. He might end up not being the Batman we need right now.

His films don't suggest he thinks that. Batman Begins ends with Rachel telling Bruce that his face is his mask and Batman his his true-self. In TDK Bruce sees Dent as his way to get out of being Batman, but Dent is destroyed, leaving Batman to once again patrol Gotham. Rachel tells Bruce a day won't come when he doesn't need Batman in her letter. By all means, it appears Nolan fully realizes Bruce can't simply give up being Batman. From the little info we know of TDKR, it appears Bruce may try to give it up, but I'm pretty sure at the end of the day, Bruce will either die as Batman, or still be Batman.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

I think its as simple as Nolan completing his project of showing the road of the Batman becoming the batman we know. He is a person that is very specific in detail and does not look ahead too much beyond his structured plan. He is done with Batman right now because he is finishing the story he wanted to tell which is great because it will give the viewers a certain sense of completion. Its the opposite of building a project on the fly which is basically what the xmen movies have suffered from.

I do not htink he will kill Batman. I think the last scene it will be Batman in the batcave getting signaled into action kind of thing maybe.

For the now Nolan is finished with this version of Batman and the complete trilogy will deliver a great story. However, I also think that its possible that somewhere down the line Nolan will get the Batman bug again and drop by for a movie or two when there are further developments in cinema technology etc. He is such a great storyteller that he may get inspired into soemthing great for batman in the future. At the very least we get a classic trilogy from him and we cant be thankful enough for that!

 

[MrWayne]

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I also would like to think that Bruce remains Batman after realizing that Crime/Evil is a global issue, not just an issue reserved for Gotham City. There will always be crime and it’s not just something you can eliminate over night.

I just still wonder if Nolan will show us that Gotham healed and became a beacon of light and hope for the world to mirror and hence the need for Batman was no more OR does he go with what I mentioned above and goes on to show us that Bruce realizes the need for Batman in Gotham and decides that this is who he is and will be for the rest of able life - A watchful Protector.

 

[Nevincer]

I think there are three major likely endings regarding Batman's fate at the end of the film:

1. He dies-This is the least likely, but with WB already all but confirming a reboot after Nolan, this would at least mean they MIGHT let Nolan kill him off if he wanted to. Sacrificing himself for the city makes Batman a legend and a symbol, which is what he set out to do in Begins.

2. He "dies"- Bruce survives but it appears to Gotham that Batman died sacrificing himself for the city. This has the same effect as scenario 1. Therefore Bruce retires allowing Batman to remain a symbol.

3. He lives- Batman becomes the legend and symbol at the end, regaining Gotham's love and trust, but Gotham still needs him. He has now reached the status as Gotham's Protecter that we know of from the comics. The film ends with a scene that makes it obvious that Bruce is still Batman and will be for a long time. This also could be a fitting end for Nolan's trilogy because the trilogy was about Batman's beginning. We've seen him reach his legendary status and now this chapter in Bruce's life is complete.

I honestly don't see it ending with Gotham knowing Batman is still alive, yet Bruce still retires.

From what I'm hearing, it's a different ballgame than what you're thinking. See, each of those endings would make sense if this film was going in a direction where it was trying to solidy Batman's status as a legend/symbol, but that doesn't appear to be the case... per the film's slogan "the legend ends", Wayne is outed as Batman, and the symbol ceases to be. Gotham reaches a point where it "no longer needs Batman" quite literally, both as a symbol and as a living protector, which is what allows him to retire. Gotham is inspired by Wayne's sacrifice and decides to 'pick itself up', no need for lies or dramatic examples.

 

[Nevincer]

I do not htink he will kill Batman. I think the last scene it will be Batman in the batcave getting signaled into action kind of thing maybe.

For the now Nolan is finished with this version of Batman and the complete trilogy will deliver a great story. However, I also think that its possible that somewhere down the line Nolan will get the Batman bug again and drop by for a movie or two when there are further developments in cinema technology etc. He is such a great storyteller that he may get inspired into soemthing great for batman in the future. At the very least we get a classic trilogy from him and we cant be thankful enough for that!

I really believe you're setting yourself up for disappointment with this mentality. All signs have indicated thus far that it will be a hard ending, and Nolan definitely isn't coming back at any time to milk the cow.

 

[Viciousjay]

I really believe you're setting yourself up for disappointment with this mentality. All signs have indicated thus far that it will be a hard ending, and Nolan definitely isn't coming back at any time to milk the cow.

I hope the WB is ready to reimburse me for my money if they think about killing him off in this film, this character is bigger then nolan. If this is what people want i suggest they write the WB and have the Frank Miller novels made live action or animate.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

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I just still wonder if Nolan will show us that Gotham healed and became a beacon of light and hope for the world to mirror and hence the need for Batman was no more OR does he go with what I mentioned above and goes on to show us that Bruce realizes the need for Batman in Gotham and decides that this is who he is and will be for the rest of able life - A watchful Protector.

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I think the theme of the movie will be that Batman is needed and that there is a reason for batman to be in our lives and that of those in gotham. The kind of thing a thoughtful guys like Nolan & Co would come up with.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

I really believe you're setting yourself up for disappointment with this mentality. All signs have indicated thus far that it will be a hard ending, and Nolan definitely isn't coming back at any time to milk the cow.

Thats cool but it sounds to me like hoping for batman to die at the end is just as much of wishful thinking as anything else as well. My poing being that there really is no telling what is in the future at the moment.

I always thought the trilogy has been about batman journey to become the batman as we know him. No doubts, regrets. a clear mission, setting, gadgets, characters and the status quo is set. Not about the life and death of batman.

 

[TinkerTailor]

Thats cool but it sounds to me like hoping for batman to die at the end is just as much of wishful thinking as anything else as well. My poing being that there really is no telling what is in the future at the moment.

I always thought the trilogy has been about batman journey to become the batman as we know him. No doubts, regrets. a clear mission, setting, gadgets, characters and the status quo is set. Not about the life and death of batman.

If that was the case I doubt Nolan would have left an 8 year gap between TDK and TDKR.

 

[Sith Scotti]

I hope the WB is ready to reimburse me for my money if they think about killing him off in this film, this character is bigger then nolan. If this is what people want i suggest they write the WB and have the Frank Miller novels made live action or animate.

Yeah because movie studios are going to refund people everytime they don''t like a film or an ending . We wouldn't have any movies if we started doing that ......

 

[Nevincer]

Thats cool but it sounds to me like hoping for batman to die at the end is just as much of wishful thinking as anything else as well.

Who said anything about this? I've stated already I don't think Bruce is going to die in this film anymore, but I'm 99% certain that "Batman" won't exist at the end of it either based on what we've heard.

I hope the WB is ready to reimburse me for my money if they think about killing him off in this film, this character is bigger then nolan.

Nothing happens to Batman in other media if Nolan's version ends, I'm not sure where this mentality comes from but him dying or retiring doesn't have remotely any effect on the character outside of Nolan's adaption. I missed the part where Two-Face dying in TDK stopped him appearing in Arkham City, correct me if I'm wrong.

If this is what people want i suggest they write the WB and have the Frank Miller novels made live action or animate.

It's not about what anyone wants, it's paying attention to what we've been told which is that this is the last Nolanverse film. After this one is over, the franchise is being rebooted regardless of Batman's fate. The fact of the matter is he can do what he wants with his Batman, and to rob him of that creative freedom would make for an uninspired film, and WB aren't going to make that mistake regardless of what disgruntled comic fans think should or shouldn't happen in a superhero film.

I always thought the trilogy has been about batman journey to become the batman as we know him. No doubts, regrets. a clear mission, setting, gadgets, characters and the status quo is set. Not about the life and death of batman.

Many people interpreted it that way after the last two, but with the direction of this film I'd say you're mistaken. This isn't a "Batman: Year One" trilogy, the whole 8 years passing should be enough indication of that to you. It's being something more.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

If it takes him 10 years to become the "real" Batman, then he is an awful Batman. For me, he was the "real" Batman at the end of Batman Begins.

 

[Nevincer]

If it takes him 10 years to become the "real" Batman, then he is an awful Batman. For me, he was the "real" Batman at the end of Batman Begins.

Very, very well said. I second that, for me too he was Batman by the end of Begins, which is what made that film's ending all so good.

I think many of the "elseworld" feeling elements like the Tumbler instead of a traditional Batmobile and starting without the Joker, lead to the mentality that this is currently an "incomplete" Batman, but I've never found that to be the the case, it's just a different one.

 

[Rocafella]

I don't think Batman has to exist, but he can't die. If Bruce Wayne dies, Batman dies. It's as simple as that for me. It's as much about the man as it is the legacy for me.

 

[Victarion]

I hope the WB is ready to reimburse me for my money if they think about killing him off in this film, this character is bigger then nolan. If this is what people want i suggest they write the WB and have the Frank Miller novels made live action or animate.

WB is ready to give you a reboot. They too feel that the character is bigger than Nolan.

 

[TinkerTailor]

God forbid a story teller suggest he's going to take a fictional character somewhere interesting.

 

[Nevincer]

Again, to reiterate, as far as I understand it Nolan is doing something even more controversial than martyring Batman; He's ending the legacy entirerly. The myth ends. The legend ends. The symbol ends. The man himself rises from the trauma this all had on him and is finally free, and Gotham is finally in the hands of it's citizens.

 

[jmc]

Again, to reiterate, as far as I understand it Nolan is doing something even more controversial than martyring Batman; He's ending the legacy entirerly. The myth ends. The legend ends. The symbol ends. The man himself rises from the trauma this all had on him and is finally free, and Gotham is finally in the hands of it's citizens.

And isn't that what the mission has been about throughout the series? I was one who thought the idea of Nolan 'finishing' Batman was absurd, my mantra was always there is no full stop after the character (which is something I still believe). However the more news started to come out about this being the 'end' the more I looked back over films one and two and realized that this Batman has never been about single handedly cleaning up the city, the goal has been to get the city standing up for itself. He says it himself that he wanted to inspire people, and I believe this is what will finally happen in Rises. So as much as I still believe in Batman in comics has no full stop, this interpretation in hindsight almost demands one.

 

[weezerspider]

I really believe you're setting yourself up for disappointment with this mentality. All signs have indicated thus far that it will be a hard ending, and Nolan definitely isn't coming back at any time to milk the cow.

I'm perfectly fine with that if its done correctly. In fact, I quite like that idea. t: For those against him dying or quit being Batman, its not like Batman films die with him. Nolan's trilogy is in its own continuity. Its got its own canon just like graphic novels ex. Think of some of the great non-canon stories(I can't recall the name, but I loved the one where Batman lives in Old England and hunts down Jack The Ripper), this won't be a problem one way or the other.

 

[PowerPacked]

Doesn't this whole idea go against the main point of the end of TDK, that Bruce could NEVER stop being Batman?

Isn't it kind of crappy followup to completely go the other direction right after you make your point in the last film?

 

[Ramsay Snow]

@PowerPacked

"He's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now..."

 

[PowerPacked]

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[Rocketman]

It's a good thing I like bananas, because this thread is bananas.

 

[Nevincer]

It's a good thing I like bananas, because this thread is bananas.

The batboards are always bananas, where have you been?