The Flash The Flash, Episode 9: The Man in the Yellow Suit

[KillerMcQueen]

is Prof Zoom consider Barry greatest villain? similar to Superman Luthor and Batman Joker?

Yep, Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom is very much Barry Allen's Joker.

 

[The Caped Knight]

is Prof Zoom consider Barry greatest villain? similar to Superman Luthor and Batman Joker?

Yes, Prof Zoom is Barry's Arch-Nemesis
Zoom is Wally's
Icicle is Jay's

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Yes, Prof Zoom is Barry's Arch-Nemesis
Zoom is Wally's
Icicle is Jay's

Eh, I'd say Kadabra was Wally's arch nemesis, Zolomon didn't really show until the last act of Wally's run.

 

[Richard Grayson]

Professor Zoom was intimidating as hell. Feels so good to see one of my favorite comic book characters in action like this

 

[Herolee10]

Would you guys say that Reverse Flash came off as more intimidating than the likes of Slade and Malcom from Arrow?

Also, tonight's episode pretty much further confirmed that if Barry wanted to kill Arrow when they were fighting last week, he could have with a simple super speed punch.

 

[Richard Grayson]

Would you guys say that Reverse Flash came off as more intimidating than the likes of Slade and Malcom from Arrow?

Also, tonight's episode pretty much further confirmed that if Barry wanted to kill Arrow when they were fighting last week, he could have with a simple super speed punch.

I think so just because he didn't really seem human. He was more like a vicious force of nature

 

[combocaz]

I love seeing the Flash Ring, Hopefully that means that Barry will get his suit from the ring eventually.

I was thinking the same thing. Loved this episode and i dig the score on Firestorm. Oh man DC on tv is soo good.

 

[Frodo]

Good episode. It was better than the Flash vs Arrow team up last week. As usual, the weakest part by far was the Iris/Barry/Eddie triangle stuff. I know there are people out there who probably like it, but I felt it the whole storyline just gets worse and worse, and that's on the writers. I felt Grant did a great acting job when he professed his feelings, but other than that , I really hope they abandon the CW romance shtick with Iris, and get him a love interest that he has chemistry with.

Other then that, I thought Reverse Flash was pretty cool and creepy. The Joe and Barry scenes where great as always, and I'm glad they brought Caitlin more to the forefront.

I'd give it an 9/10.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I need to re-watch the ep as I was tired, but the way they brought Zoom to life was perfect, they made him a frightening enemy for Barry and then linked it brilliantly to the increasingly creepy Wells.

I also liked the Firestorm appearance at the end, they have done a good job on his SFX, shame Robbie has gotten wig as crap as the one his cousin wears on Arrow.

 

[stillanerd]

According to the comics, Eobard Thawne is the descendant of Malcom Thawne, who is the twin brother of Barry Allen, was given away to the Thawne family. Unless Eddie comes from a different Thawne family altogether (seems unlikely), he must be either Malcom Thawne or Eobard Thawne. I think its safe to say that the RF that appeared was Eobard Thawne and Wells is RF. Being in 2 places at once is already complicated, its unlikely Eddie is RF cause that means he would have to be in 3 places at once (Wells, Eddie and Man in Yellow). That means, Eddie is Malcom Thawne. Hope anyone more familiar to the comics can shed some light on to this.

I think you may be overthinking this. I'm not an expert on the comics, but I'm thinking that there is no Malcolm/Barry twin character in this story. My guess is it's like this:

Eobard Thawne/RF is Eddie's descendant, hence the reason he didn't kill him. Wells is Eobard/RF, and he can be in two places at once because he's clearly a time traveler. The RF we see beat the crap out of Wells is either a past or future version of him. None of the characters on the show realize this though, so that's why it will likely take them a long time to realize RF and Wells are the same.

The only feeling I can't shake is that all of this, even the scene at the end, is a red herring. Wells seemed too obvious from the beginning, and even though it seems clear now that he's the bad guy, I feel like there is something else we don't know.

Actually, I believe Eddie Thawne=Eobard Thawne, at least far as this show goes. In that I don't believe they'll have Eddie Thawne be really Malcom Thawne and Barry's long lost twin, or have Harrison Wells be a descendant of Eddie Thawne or something like that. Rather, after this episode, I'm thinking the following:

Harrison Wells is a Reverse Flash, but not THE Reverse Flash. He's only pretending to be a part of his whole M.O. to motivate Barry into increasing his speed/becoming the Flash, etc., pretty much the same M.O. as Hunter Zolomon in the comics. (Not to mention that, seeing how the suit appeared to be powered by Tachyon particles, that also fits in that Zolomon's "super-speed" was actually time manipulation). The real Reverse Flash, I think, is a older, future version of Eddie Thawne, hence why the Reverse Flash in this episode didn't kill him, either because Wells knows Thawne has to live in order for the space-time continuum to remain intact, or, if the Reverse Flash was actually the future Thawne in that scene, he obviously can't kill himself.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Actually, I believe Eddie Thawne=Eobard Thawne, at least far as this show goes. In that I don't believe they'll have Eddie Thawne be really Malcom Thawne and Barry's long lost twin, or have Harrison Wells be a descendant of Eddie Thawne or something like that. Rather, after this episode, I'm thinking the following:

Harrison Wells is a Reverse Flash, but not THE Reverse Flash. He's only pretending to be a part of his whole M.O. to motivate Barry into increasing his speed/becoming the Flash, etc., pretty much the same M.O. as Hunter Zolomon in the comics. (Not to mention that, seeing how the suit appeared to be powered by Tachyon particles, that also fits in that Zolomon's "super-speed" was actually time manipulation). The real Reverse Flash, I think, is a older, future version of Eddie Thawne, hence why the Reverse Flash in this episode didn't kill him, either because Wells knows Thawne has to live in order for the space-time continuum to remain intact, or, if the Reverse Flash was actually the future Thawne in that scene, he obviously can't kill himself.

If future-Eddie got the device, why did Wells have it at the end?

My thinking is this - Eddie is Eobard's ancestor. Wells is Eobard. In the future, he goes back in time a few times, resulting in him being there the night Barry's mother died (as is the Flash) to give Barry the tragic spark, being there to get the Particle Accelerator going (thus creating the Flash) and staying behind to study him etc, so that in the future, he can have a fully developed suit capable of defeating the Flash. The most futuristic version of Eobard comes back to help Wells get ahold of the Tachyon device, and then pummels him to throw people off. Eobard goes back to the future, leaving Wells to continue to push the Flash's limits so that he can study him at his strongest and implement that into the suit for future Eobard's use.

 

[stillanerd]

If future-Eddie got the device, why did Wells have it at the end?

My thinking is this - Eddie is Eobard's ancestor. Wells is Eobard. In the future, he goes back in time a few times, resulting in him being there the night Barry's mother died (as is the Flash) to give Barry the tragic spark, being there to get the Particle Accelerator going (thus creating the Flash) and staying behind to study him etc, so that in the future, he can have a fully developed suit capable of defeating the Flash. The most futuristic version of Eobard comes back to help Wells get ahold of the Tachyon device, and then pummels him to throw people off. Eobard goes back to the future, leaving Wells to continue to push the Flash's limits so that he can study him at his strongest and implement that into the suit for future Eobard's use.

If the Reverse Flash we saw was Wells, and if his suit is powered by Tachyon's, then what we might have seen was a causal-loop. Wells uses the Tachyon device to power up the Yellow Suit as we saw in the epilogue. Then, after it's been juiced, he uses it to run back in time 24 hours to Mercury Labs, as we saw in the beginning of the episode. Which also means there are now two Wells, one in the suit and one who isn't. This then results in Wells, and later Barry, convincing Mercury Labs to use their tachyon device as bait and the force field containment unit. Which, of course, leads to suit-Wells fighting his earlier, non-suit Wells and also taking the device. Which, of course, non-suit Wells knows where to find, and thus he uses to power up the suit to go back in time as planned. Suit-Wells, of course, stays in the present and closes out the loop.

 

[Wise]

Professor Zoom was intimidating as hell. Feels so good to see one of my favorite comic book characters in action like this

I know. For me this feels like the first time that a DC bad guy has truly been done justice on modern live action TV (Not counting Smallville's Luthor). Sorry Arrow.

 

[Jayelx]

The Flash had me confused. I kept thinking about RF. Wells is not the RF we saw tonight but is Thawne who we saw. Not Eddie. Eddie is just a cop who passes his fanatics to Eobard who later becomes the RF. Wells would not speak out loud telling Eddie to read him his rights. RF if it was Wells in two different places at once would not have to warn himself. RF we saw tonight did not know who Eddie was until Wells said something. The ending had something to do with Eobard & why Wells has the suit. Wells may actually be someone else we never heard of. This show gets you thinking. Just that damn good. Just a theory.

 

[Human Torch]

My goodness, I literally teared up when Barry was talking to his dad. That really got to me. And the scene where Barry reveals his feelings to Iris....oh man. Grant Gustin is SUCH a likeable, relate-able guy, he's more of a Peter Parker than Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire combined. He just feels like a real, ordinary, modern young guy. Gustin really deserves all the accolades for his performance on this show. In fact, if I may be so bold to say, I wish that the Barry Allen in the comics were more like Gustin's version. Yes, I said it.

All in all GREAT Mid-Season Finale. I love this show. Coming from a lifelong Marvel Comics fan who never cared about the Flash, this show has made me a HUGE fan.

Would you guys say that Reverse Flash came off as more intimidating than the likes of Slade and Malcom from Arrow?

I'd agree with that,though I had flashes of seeing Dark Archer whup Ollie's butt for the 1st season mid-finale.This felt somewhat the same.But RF certainly came across as the more intimidating one.

 

[zilla92]

I am more confused now than ever and I love it. Best superhero show on TV. I love Arrow but this is just in a league of it's own.

 

[Human Torch]

Good episode. It was better than the Flash vs Arrow team up last week. As usual, the weakest part by far was the Iris/Barry/Eddie triangle stuff. I know there are people out there who probably like it, but I felt it the whole storyline just gets worse and worse, and that's on the writers. I felt Grant did a great acting job when he professed his feelings, but other than that , I really hope they abandon the CW romance shtick with Iris, and get him a love interest that he has chemistry with.

Other then that, I thought Reverse Flash was pretty cool and creepy. The Joe and Barry scenes where great as always, and I'm glad they brought Caitlin more to the forefront.

I'd give it an 9/10.

I agree about the triangle stuff.I didn't mind it here and it would be a great way to leave it be,now that Barry unburdened his feelings and Iris is moving in with Eddie.But in typical CW fashion,I doubt either of them will move on but will bounce back and forth with "Will they?/Should they?/Could they?" storylines for the next few seasons.

 

[Glassjaw]

This would have been a fantastic season finale, never mind a mid season one! Holy hell.

This thing is a comic book brought to life, every week on your television. They got it so, so right with this episode, and Reverse Flash's portrayal.

I'm going to go re-watch those fight scenes.

 

[Fouldz]

Okay so this is just my theory:

RF is Eobard Thawne from the 25th century. He came back in time to see his idol, Barry Allen, but missed the right time and ended up showing up after barry had died during the crisis, which explains the newspaper. However in this time, Wally West is the current flash. After learning that he is the Flash's (Barrys) greatest enemy this causes him to snap which leads to him going after barrys mother. The other speedster Cisco could be talking about could be wally trying to help save Barry and his mother but he could only save one and had to choose barry. As for where Wally may be now, the only thing i can think of is that wells has him captured somewhere or something? It also makes me think he needs Barrys portion of the speed force in order to travel in time which is why he may be looking into ways of stealing his powers.

Chances are this is completely wrong, but my head is literally buzzing with theories after tonights episode so i had to get at least one down what do you guys think?

 

[Mike Murdock]

Are they going to let Barry's dad out of prison now that two cops plus a swat team saw this guy?

I can't speak for a TV show, but, in the real world, he almost certainly would not be. Just because a kid's story isn't completely nonsense anymore (i.e., it would be theoretically possible) doesn't make it true.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

It's great to see the same actress reprise her role as Christina McGee.
And it's great to see more of Ronnie.

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I hope to see this somewhere down the road.

Spoiler

 

[vantheman77]

After seeing the end, I think Wells is a Reverse-Flash but not the one who killed Barry's mother. That would be either Eobard Thane or future Eddie. Seeing the Reverse-Flash, he's obviously bigger than Barry physically so it couldn't be Wells with that body type.

The soap opera triangle stuff with Barry, Iris, and Eddie reminds me of Clark, Lana, and Whitney Foreman from Smallville. Barry finally revealed his feelings for Iris, but was too late in that she already accepted Eddie's offer to move in with him. The producers said that Barry and Iris will grow apart from this.

 

[Breogan]

Does anyone here still have any hope/belief that Eddie Thawne may become a reverse flash?

Yes.
Wells (the brain)creates RF [concept/costume/power]. Eddie Thawne (the body/emotion) is the experiment.
Wells sends Barry back in time to save Little Barry from Thawne.

 

[chamber-music]

Barry's moments with Joe and his dad brought the feels.

The Allen's and Thawnes come from the same family tree in the comics so if Wells is a descendant of the family killing Eddie or Barry is out of the question atleast until they produce some offspring.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

After seeing the end, I think Wells is a Reverse-Flash but not the one who killed Barry's mother. That would be either Eobard Thane or future Eddie. Seeing the Reverse-Flash, he's obviously bigger than Barry physically so it couldn't be Wells with that body type.

Cisko said there are probably two Reverse Flashes, that probably makes Wells is one of two to kill Norah.
The yellow lightning took Barry out, so that probably means he's Wells.
The lightning that took the evidence out of West's house is red, could mean the two work together.