The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 10

[igoogol]

I think that Iris isn't being served, Caitlin is.

Lemme guess, only when the show is officially called The Iris will you think she's being served.

 

[Dark Raven]

Lemme guess, only when the show is officially called The Iris will you think she's being served.

If Barry says "We are the Iris" she'll say "No Barry. No we're not. I am the Iris."

 

[igoogol]

If Barry says "We are the Iris" she'll say "No Barry. No we're not. I am the Iris."

This is the same woman who said "why would nazis crash my wedding".

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I'm done with the show after this season. It's been downhill ever since S2. Why does every CW comic book show have to start out so promising, only to end up sucking so badly?

 

[Dark Raven]

This season has become rather hokey and too spoofish, as if they're over compensating for the much darker season last year. But I preferred that compared to the tone this year.

It wasn't ideal before, but this year isn't like season 1's tone at all.

The shrinking episode was also like what people feared Ant Man was going to be like.

 

[fan4stic]

This is the same woman who said "why would nazis crash my wedding"

It was her wedding.

Lemme guess, only when the show is officially called The Iris will you think she's being served.

I will when the show becomes about Iris and not what the show is doing right now, where Harry had more story relevance in this episode and Ralph had more character work in the previous episode alone than Iris had in the last 3 episodes. The Iris show doesn't exist. Barry and Ralph have had the most episodes with character work in them than anyone else this season. I think Caitlin and Iris are tied for episodes with character work in them. And I think Joe, Harry and Cisco are kinda lagging behind in episodes with character work in them. Caitlin this season had her own side plot away from the main characters that tied in to the main season plot and her own villain in Amunet. It's not the Caitlin show because of that and it's not the Iris show because she gives directions and has talks with Barry.

 

[Lantern Venom]

It was her wedding.I will when the show becomes about Iris and not what the show is doing right now, where Harry had more story relevance in this episode and Ralph had more character work in the previous episode alone than Iris had in the last 3 episodes. The Iris show doesn't exist. Barry and Ralph have had the most episodes with character work in them than anyone else this season. I think Caitlin and Iris are tied for episodes with character work in them.

I've enjoyed Iris since the start, I've never felt that she or any of the supporting cast have usurped Barry's centerpiece status. It's a given that an ongoing series will have arcs that focus on someone other than the lead character. I find it ironic that a regular criticism of this show during the first couple of seasons was that Barry wasn't capable enough on his own, but now the criticism is aimed at Iris being too capable. O...K..

Also, I take great joy in watching the small section of fans for whom a simple metaphor is so troubling. I've gotten many hard laughs out of online meltdowns over the "We are the Flash" line.

 

[spiderman2]

I'm done with the show after this season. It's been downhill ever since S2. Why does every CW comic book show have to start out so promising, only to end up sucking so badly?

I don't see this season 1 was great and then it went down hill some but this year is so much better then seasons 2 or 3.

 

[KevTravels]

I totally forgot they were married.

i guess we never see them go through serious marriage issues. They seem so blissfully happy all the time (minus his incarceration).

 

[KevTravels]

really, I don't get the sudden focus on Iris or everything about their relationship? It's as if that's the only motivation of their characters.

Seems Iris seemed more realistic in season 1

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I don't see this season 1 was great and then it went down hill some but this year is so much better then seasons 2 or 3.

The show has been so bipolar since season 1 ended. We go from an evil copy of Barry murdering his wife, to a single episode where a pregnant lady gets psychic powers and the team gets shrunk.

Find the middle ground, CW. This season has been over the top campy and happy. NOT in a good way. In the worst way possible.

 

[Travesty]

I don't see this season 1 was great and then it went down hill some but this year is so much better then seasons 2 or 3.

I disagree. I think this season has gone off a goddamn cliff.

I'm going to watch the rest of this season, and I think I'll be done with this show. I'll check in on what people say about S5, but after this, I think I'm done, unless people say it's around S1 quality again.

 

[igoogol]

now the criticism is aimed at Iris being too capable...

The criticism is aimed at how forced she is and has been since S2, this is merely a continuation of that. It's as if the writers just pulled poop out of their butts and expect viewers to ohh and ahh over it. Poop is poop, no matter how you try to dress it up. As someone said, her code name could have been Captain Cleavage in the last ep and it pretty much sums up her so-called capability.

Also, I take great joy in watching the small section of fans for whom a simple metaphor is so troubling. I've gotten many hard laughs out of online meltdowns over the "We are the Flash" line.

What you see as a metaphor, others see it for what it is: borrowed feathers. While that appeals to you, others find it naturally distasteful. So I guess you will have many more hard laughs to come as Iris continues to get called out for pretending to be something she's obviously not.

 

[fan4stic]

The criticism is aimed at how forced she is and has been since S2, this is merely a continuation of that. It's as if the writers just pulled poop out of their butts and expect viewers to ohh and ahh over it. Poop is poop, no matter how you try to dress it up. As someone said, her code name could have been Captain Cleavage in the last ep and it pretty much sums up her so-called capability.

Everything is forced. Barry is made into an idiot to make everyone relevant and give the villains a threat. Power levels fluctuate. Iris is no more forced than the structure of the show.

What you see as a metaphor, others see it for what it is: borrowed feathers. While that appeals to you, others find it naturally distasteful. So I guess you will have many more hard laughs to come as Iris continues to get called out for pretending to be something she's obviously not.

What is a metaphor can be overblown by those who want to dislike the character. Considering that the show isn't borrowing anything from anyone for Iris. On the contrary, Iris isn't getting much to do. This is why I see comparisons between those that bash Laurel and those that bash Iris. Laurel gets barely anything to do and there's calls for her to be killed off and for Original Team Arrow. Iris barely gets anything to do and there's calls for her to be killed off and now OTF.

really, I don't get the sudden focus on Iris or everything about their relationship? It's as if that's the only motivation of their characters.

Seems Iris seemed more realistic in season 1

Joe's focus is on Cecile, Barry's focus is on Big Sir, Harry and Iris' focus is on saving Barry. I don't think anyone's focus on Iris or the Barry/Iris' relationship.

 

[flickchick85]

I thought this season was pretty darn good until they committed what I shall now refer to as the Luke Cage Mistake.

 

[Dark Raven]

I thought this season was pretty darn good until they committed what I shall now refer to as the Luke Cage Mistake.

I said before they should've done it like Quantum Leap and had Neil Sandilands still play the part, but when he looks in the mirror he appears like the black guy (whose name I can't remember).

When Scott Bakula leapt into different bodies each week, those characters weren't played by different actors. They all were played by Bakula even though he was someone different each time and to the others he interacted with he looked different.

Now we have to suffer that black actor who is nowhere as good as Sandilands. He's very wooden.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I thought this season was pretty darn good until they committed what I shall now refer to as the Luke Cage Mistake.

What's the Luke Cage mistake?

 

[fan4stic]

I said before they should've done it like Quantum Leap and had Neil Sandilands still play the part, but when he looks in the mirror he appears like the black guy (whose name I can't remember).

When Scott Bakula leapt into different bodies each week, those characters weren't played by different actors. They all were played by Bakula even though he was someone different each time and to the others he interacted with he looked different.

Now we have to suffer that black actor who is nowhere as good as Sandilands. He's very wooden.

Black actor? Come on. Please find out his name. It seems a little out of place to name the star of an over 20 year old show and actor who plays a villain on the show, but not refer to the villain actor as black actor.

But as far as I know Bakula's character didn't swap bodies, just places, with a projection of the person over them. I don't think it would necessarily fit the show to do that though. However, I've heard that Neil will be back.

 

[flickchick85]

What's the Luke Cage mistake?

[blackout]Killing the season's strongest asset early on for the sake of a "shocking twist."[/blackout] Luke Cage plummeted in quality immediately after it did that, and it seems this season is on that trajectory as well, imo.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

gotchya. Yeah, I'd agree with that.

The past few episodes have barely mentioned Devoe anyway. There's so much cheesy filler.

 

[Dark Raven]

Black actor? Come on. Please find out his name. It seems a little out of place to name the star of an over 20 year old show and actor who plays a villain on the show, but not refer to the villain actor as black actor.

But as far as I know Bakula's character didn't swap bodies, just places, with a projection of the person over them. I don't think it would necessarily fit the show to do that though. However, I've heard that Neil will be back.

It's only out of place in your perception. It's not like I went and looked up Bakula's name as if he was obscure or that I looked up Sandilands' name either but didn't with the other guy. I knew Bakula from having watched all of the Quantum Leap episodes and from Star Trek Enterprise. And he's on NCIS New Orleans.

Sandilands was a regular on the Flash in the main cast so I remembered from there.

I didn't look up anyone so just did it from memory. The new guy is not known at all and has barely been in any episodes and it's already been a few since he was last on. Why would I remember him?

You can read into it as much as you like. But it's not like it was some racist comment or that I was deliberately making him into a non person by refusing to use his name. I simply never knew it and couldn't be bothered to look it up. There are plenty of characters in other shows whose names I don't always remember or know.

 

[igoogol]

Iris is no more forced than the structure of the show.

Iris is the most forced because she's a love interest only, with no powers or skills to merit her being on the team much less as the leader. But wait, aren't you the one who said this isn't a government job so she doesn't need qualifications? No wonder you don't think she's forced at all.

What is a metaphor can be overblown by those who want to dislike the character.

More like a narcissistic comment downplayed by her stans.

This is why I see comparisons between those that bash Laurel and those that bash Iris.

Interesting that most see the comparison between Iris and Felicity, not Laurel. Both shoehorned love interests with too much screen time.

Iris' focus is on saving Barry.

Good one! Oh wait, you're serious...

Black actor? Come on. Please find out his name. It seems a little out of place to name the star of an over 20 year old show and actor who plays a villain on the show, but not refer to the villain actor as black actor.

His name is Kendrick Sampson. How about taking your own advice rather than just dispensing it.

 

[fan4stic]

It's only out of place in your perception. It's not like I went and looked up Bakula's name as if he was obscure or that I looked up Sandilands' name either but didn't with the other guy. I knew Bakula from having watched all of the Quantum Leap episodes and from Star Trek Enterprise. And he's on NCIS New Orleans.

Sandilands was a regular on the Flash in the main cast so I remembered from there.

I didn't look up anyone so just did it from memory. The new guy is not known at all and has barely been in any episodes and it's already been a few since he was last on. Why would I remember him?

You can read into it as much as you like. But it's not like it was some racist comment or that I was deliberately making him into a non person by refusing to use his name. I simply never knew it and couldn't be bothered to look it up. There are plenty of characters in other shows whose names I don't always remember or know.

If I really wanted to read into what you said I wouldn't have called it out of place. I didn't expect you to remember him. I said to please find out his name. I don't think there's a reason not to and to refer to him as black actor.

Iris is the most forced because she's a love interest only, with no powers or skills to merit her being on the team much less as the leader. But wait, aren't you the one who said this isn't a government job so she doesn't need qualifications? No wonder you don't think she's forced at all.

And Joe is only a father figure, Cisco and Caitlin ares only a friends. They only serve a function because the plot demands that they do. Joe barely fills a function anymore. And the plot demands that Iris fill a leader function, when it's not needed. Just like the rest, except maybe Joe if you stretch it, is needed. This is how it's always been.

More like a narcissistic comment downplayed by her stans.

Based on the context of the conversation they were having, I don't think there's any reason to think it means anything other than that. Barry talks about how the weight is up to him to carry it because he's the flash and Iris says that in response. I'd say it's the same in Therefore I Am. Barry asks how Iris isn't afraid and she says because they're the flash.

Interesting that most see the comparison between Iris and Felicity, not Laurel. Both shoehorned love interests with too much screen time.

Bashing of the character not being comic accurate enough, like Laurel. Requests for the character to be kicked off the team because she's useless and wanting the the original team back, like Laurel. Complaints about the lack of chemistry between her character and the male lead, like Laurel. Bashing of a lot of what she does, while disregarding the similar or larger actions of other characters, like Laurel. Given little to do and mainly hangs in the background, like Laurel. Despite what you want to think, Iris is about on the same wavelength of Caitlin and Harry in episodes with character work in them this season.

Good one! Oh wait, you're serious...

She's showed concern for him. I would be willing to concede that she cares about their relationship though.

His name is Kendrick Sampson. How about taking your own advice rather than just dispensing it.

I haven't really talked about his performance.

 

[igoogol]

Joe is only a father figure, Cisco and Caitlin ares only a friends.

You might want to ignore Joe is also a cop, Cisco and Caitlin are scientists AND metas but other viewers? Not so much.

the plot demands that Iris fill a leader function

No, that's just the writers forcing things, everything they give her to do can be done by someone else. But I agree, Iris as leader isn't needed.

Barry asks how Iris isn't afraid and she says because they're the flash.

Like I said, narcissistic.

Bashing of the character not being comic accurate enough, like Laurel.

In that case, when will Iris die and come back cooler and a non-Barry-dependent meta? You know, like Black Siren.

Iris is about on the same wavelength of Caitlin and Harry in episodes with character work in them this season.

But didn't you say Caitlin has been served while Iris hasn't? Which is it???

I haven't really talked about his performance.

Oh, you're one of those people. Why am I not surprised.

 

[fan4stic]

You might want to ignore Joe is also a cop, Cisco and Caitlin are scientists AND metas but other viewers? Not so much.

If Iris is just a love interest, they're just that. All functions wouldn't be needed if Barry used his brain. I think it's forced to give them all relevance.

No, that's just the writers forcing things, everything they give her to do can be done by someone else. But I agree, Iris as leader isn't needed.

And most of what they give the team wouldn't be needed if Barry used his brain.

Like I said, narcissistic.

Not being afraid of something isn't necessarily narcissistic.

In that case, when will Iris die and come back cooler and a non-Barry-dependent meta? You know, like Black Siren.

It's a good thing Flash isn't the same in writing quality as Arrow. Siren is a murderer. She's not cooler.

But didn't you say Caitlin has been served while Iris hasn't? Which is it???

I think they have the same amount of episodes with character work in them. But out of the 2 Caitlin is served, where Iris isn't. Caitlin has had her own side plot this season away from the main characters, has her own villain that has tied into the main plot. I think they're equal character work wise, but not in every way. And I'm fine with that.

Oh, you're one of those people. Why am I not surprised.

I don't know what that means. Could you please tell me?