The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - - Part 11

[Dark Raven]

What we need is another Flashpoint.

He doesn't need a Flashpoint to get rid of that cowl. Just a trip to the costume designers!

 

[WhoMani]

It wouldn't surprise me if we saw the Reverse Flash and Savitar in the 100th episode.

 

[Flash525]

It wouldn't surprise me if we saw the Reverse Flash and Savitar in the 100th episode.

It's already confirmed that the Reverse Flash, Savitar and Zoom are due to appear in the 100th episode, though I'm not sure quite in what sense that'll be, and whether they'll be gunning for each other as well as Barry.

If Savitar is back, then (presumably) it's before his death; I guess the same could be said for all of them on that, but we know that Savitar did run through the timeline a bit. Will he still be making an attempt on Iris, or instead trying to defeat Barry? Not quite sure what Thawne will be doing, short of just causing turmoil in the family.

Zoom is the interesting one, because he's never quite had a personal vendetta against Barry; he's just out for power, so (in theory) he should see both Eobard & Savitar as opposition. I do hope they bring in Matt & Teddy for their respective roles too. I'd rather Tom not take up the RF mantle again.

 

[WhoMani]

It's already confirmed that the Reverse Flash, Savitar and Zoom are due to appear in the 100th episode, though I'm not sure quite in what sense that'll be, and whether they'll be gunning for each other as well as Barry.

If Savitar is back, then (presumably) it's before his death; I guess the same could be said for all of them on that, but we know that Savitar did run through the timeline a bit. Will he still be making an attempt on Iris, or instead trying to defeat Barry? Not quite sure what Thawne will be doing, short of just causing turmoil in the family.

Zoom is the interesting one, because he's never quite had a personal vendetta against Barry; he's just out for power, so (in theory) he should see both Eobard & Savitar as opposition. I do hope they bring in Matt & Teddy for their respective roles too. I'd rather Tom not take up the RF mantle again.

I have a feeling that the 100th episode will take place in the speed force.

 

[Lencho01]

'The Flash' Season 5 — Jesse L. Martin on Medical Leave as Joe West

My husband and I watch The Flash and we’ve noticed that Jesse L. Martin has been sitting down in all of his scenes. Are we crazy or is he injured? –Rachel
No, you are not crazy but perceptive – though this week we did see Joe leaning in a doorway at the CCPD. I’m hearing that Martin suffered a back injury over the hiatus. In fact, a studio rep confirms for TVLine that the actor will be taking a medical leave from the CW hit, adding: “We wish him a full and speedy recovery and look forward to his return as Detective Joe West.” (It’s unclear at this time exactly when and for how long Joe’s absence will be felt on screen, but sources tell me it will be addressed at some point.)

 

[Ninjablade]

Glad to know somethings been going on. Wishing him the best in his recovery.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Can they find a way to put Barry's suit back in the ring?! The whole point of him getting the ring is so he can carry the suit with him! And it makes for a cool sequence. Feels like a waste to tease the ring and then just drop it.

 

[Web-Head]

Glad to see them finally say something about Jesse. Hope he has a speedy recovery

 

[Sithborg]

Explains why he has been sitting down in all his scenes. Hope he takes the time needed to recover.

 

[batdude]

Glad to see them finally say something about Jesse. Hope he has a speedy recovery

yup, at least he won't just disappear

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, the more that I think about it, the more that I wish that we had gotten Impulse/Bart Allen instead of Nora.

At least with Impulse, you could justify him having a child-like personality due to how young he is (where he is normally introduced as a teenager when he first cross paths with Barry).

The arc that he had in "Young Justice" Season 2 feels better than what they are trying to go for with Nora, where he came to change an apocalyptic future.

 

[BH/HHH]

Honestly, the more that I think about it, the more that I wish that we had gotten Impulse/Bart Allen instead of Nora.

At least with Impulse, you could justify him having a child-like personality due to how young he is (where he is normally introduced as a teenager when he first cross paths with Barry).

The arc that he had in "Young Justice" Season 2 feels better than what they are trying to go for with Nora, where he came to change an apocalyptic future.

I know what you mean sometimes I wince at how she acts, cause I know too that she’s older than Grant Gustin which just makes it feel even weirder.

On the whole I like Nora though and I actually think in order for the drama to work as it does with Iris it had to be their daughter.

 

[WhoMani]

I like Nora and the energy that she brings. She reminds me of Barry from the beginning of Season one which was probably the intent and that she will mature as the season goes on such as resolving her issues with Iris, gaining more experience as a hero or using her powers more competently.

 

[Herolee10]

I like Nora and the energy that she brings. She reminds me of Barry from the beginning of Season one which was probably the intent and that she will mature as the season goes on such as resolving her issues with Iris, gaining more experience as a hero or using her powers more competently.

Most of those things could have been applied to Bart as well. The biggest reason why we did not get Bart wad because the producers wanted to give Iris something to do.

It is kind of upsetting that they had to erase the tornado twins and Impulse just so that we could get XS.

 

[WhoMani]

Most of those things could have been applied to Bart as well. The biggest reason why we did not get Bart wad because the producers wanted to give Iris something to do.

That's pure conjecture on your part on whether Nora was brought to give Iris something to do and I know Iris isn't your favorite character but you can't deny that Iris was already important in the show way before Nora's introduction.

Maybe they will introduce Bart later on or maybe not but it's a little silly to write off Nora just because the writers didn't introduce a character that you liked from the comics. It's not fair to compare Bart from Young Justice to Nora as they're two completely different characters and that Nora doesn't seem to come from an apocalyptic future.

 

[2kt09]

Most of those things could have been applied to Bart as well. The biggest reason why we did not get Bart was because the producers wanted to give Iris something to do.

It is kind of upsetting that they had to erase the tornado twins and Impulse just so that we could get XS.

They've barely gotten into Wally before they shipped him over to Legends.
It's likely more of a diversity thing and conserving the speedster Iris costume much like with Trajectory & Jesse.

 

[fan4stic]

Most of those things could have been applied to Bart as well. The biggest reason why we did not get Bart wad because the producers wanted to give Iris something to do.

It is kind of upsetting that they had to erase the tornado twins and Impulse just so that we could get XS.

As far as I understand the situation, Nora's a kind of adaption of sorts of one of the tornado twins and Bart isn't necessarily erased.

I think the whole Nora story has had larger connections to the consequences of the newspaper than Iris directly.

The arc that he had in "Young Justice" Season 2 feels better than what they are trying to go for with Nora, where he came to change an apocalyptic future.

I think Nora allows for a more direct connection to Barry and allows the show to go back to the s1 newspaper and how that will effect the lives of those Barry cares about.

The apocalyptic thing would feel a little extreme to me.

 

[Herolee10]

I don't know about this guys. I just don't think that Nora's role on this show justifies essentially erasing the Tornado Twins and Impulse from canon/existence. XS is the persona that Barry Allen's granddaughter (born from Dawn Allen) is supposed to take.

They have basically erased two generation of speedsters due to Nora's existence.

Imho, Bart Allen could have had a meaningful relationship with Barry on this show. Bart trying to live up to the legacy of his grandfather and making his parents proud could have easily worked as well. The only problem is that it would give Iris nothing to relate on.

With Nora being a only child, unless it is revealed that she is also into guys or ends up having an arificial insemination, then the Allen-Flash line dies with her.

 

[fan4stic]

I don't know about this guys. I just don't think that Nora's role on this show justifies essentially erasing the Tornado Twins and Impulse from canon/existence. XS is the persona that Barry Allen's granddaughter (born from Dawn Allen) is supposed to take.

They have basically erased two generation of speedsters due to Nora's existence.

Imho, Bart Allen could have had a meaningful relationship with Barry on this show. Bart trying to live up to the legacy of his grandfather and making his parents proud could have easily worked as well. The only problem is that it would give Iris nothing to relate on.

With Nora being a only child, unless it is revealed that she is also into guys or ends up having an arificial insemination, then the Allen-Flash line dies with her.

I think Nora allows for a more direct connection to Barry and allows the show to go back to the s1 newspaper and how that will effect the lives of those Barry cares about.

As far as I understand the situation, Nora's a kind of adaption of sorts of one of the tornado twins

 

[Sithborg]

Funny thing about Nora traveling back in time, her being an only child may not be set in stone. And if anyone thinks that that newspaper isn't going to be drastically changed, or even prevented by the end of the series, I have a bridge to sell you.

And while it is clear that it was possible to handle another speedster, I suspect that the overarching plots of season 3 and 4 made that kind of hard. And frankly, it sounded like Keiynan Lonsdale needed some time off to sort out some stuff in his life.

 

[Herolee10]

I think Nora allows for a more direct connection to Barry and allows the show to go back to the s1 newspaper and how that will effect the lives of those Barry cares about.

As far as I understand the situation, Nora's a kind of adaption of sorts of one of the tornado twins

While that may be true, it still does not justify erasing the likes of Impulse from existence.

And the fact that they also deleted Dawn Allen's twin brother from existence also sucks.

I feel like the producers of the show have really squandered the potential the show once had back in Season 1.

We are 5 seasons in and we have yet to have a proper episode/arc dealing with the Rogues (Mirror Master, Grodd, Captain Boomerang, Weather Wizard, Golden Glider, etc.) all joining forces to take on the Flash.

We have yet to see Iris portrayed as a competent reporter who has used her journalism skills to help move the main plot forward

Kid Flash was pretty much a big waste of potential (and it does not help that the actor has a very limited range in acting imho).

And from what i heard, the whole flash ring gimmick was dropped after in one episode.

So adding all of that, plus no Impulse and tornado twins now because they only wanted Barry and Iris to have one child.

 

[fan4stic]

While that may be true, it still does not justify erasing the likes of Impulse from existence.

And the fact that they also deleted Dawn Allen's twin brother from existence also sucks.

I feel like the producers of the show have really squandered the potential the show once had back in Season 1.

We are 5 seasons in and we have yet to have a proper episode/arc dealing with the Rogues (Mirror Master, Grodd, Captain Boomerang, Weather Wizard, Golden Glider, etc.) all joining forces to take on the Flash.

We have yet to see Iris portrayed as a competent reporter who has used her journalism skills to help move the main plot forward

Kid Flash was pretty much a big waste of potential (and it does not help that the actor has a very limited range in acting imho).

And from what i heard, the whole flash ring gimmick was dropped after in one episode.

So adding all of that, plus no Impulse and tornado twins now because they only wanted Barry and Iris to have one child.

I don't think he's necessarily erased.

I don't think that's necessarily the case.

I didn't think there was that much potential and that the show's versions of those characters, except GG, were lacking.

Iris helped figure out it was Cicada who killed Gridlock.

 

[WhoMani]

While that may be true, it still does not justify erasing the likes of Impulse from existence.

And the fact that they also deleted Dawn Allen's twin brother from existence also sucks.

Where do you get the idea that Impulse is erased from existence? How could he be erased from history if he hasn't appeared in the show yet? In fact how could you be certain that he has ever existed in this universe? Don't worry bro, he still exists in the comics lol. Tim Drake hasn't appeared in any of The Dark Knight trilogy but does that mean Nolan erased Tim Drake from existence?

Again it's pure conjecture on your part and Nora appearing doesn't necessarily mean Bart will never appear in the show, we have no idea what the showrunners plans for future seasons are. Arrowverse is its own things and it has never ever followed the comics, in fact Arrow's Oliver is more like Bruce Wayne than the Oliver Queen from the comics.

To be fair Nora hasn't explicitly stated that she's the only child so it is possible that she may have a sibling that we don't know about.

 

[Herolee10]

Where do you get the idea that Impulse is erased from existence? How could he be erased from history if he hasn't appeared in the show yet? In fact how could you be certain that he has ever existed in this universe? Don't worry bro, he still exists in the comics lol. Tim Drake hasn't appeared in any of The Dark Knight trilogy but does that mean Nolan erased Tim Drake from existence?

Again it's pure conjecture on your part and Nora appearing doesn't necessarily mean Bart will never appear in the show, we have no idea what the showrunners plans for future seasons are. Arrowverse is its own things and it has never ever followed the comics, in fact Arrow's Oliver is more like Bruce Wayne than the Oliver Queen from the comics.

To be fair Nora hasn't explicitly stated that she's the only child so it is possible that she may have a sibling that we don't know about.

If Nora is a only child, unless she later displays a interest in men later on then the only way that Bart Allen could possibly exist is if she has a artificial insemination (which is a route that I highly doubt that they would take).

My belief is that if the character is neither referenced or introduced in the confines of the show, then they do not officially exist in that universe.

Everything about Nora's story seems to point that she is a only child so far. Unless her brother told her not to reveal his existence to his parents in the past then I am pretty sure that Nora Allen is all that remains of Barry's legacy as the Flash in this show.

 

[Primal Slayer]

If Nora is a only child, unless she later displays a interest in men later on then the only way that Bart Allen could possibly exist is if she has a artificial insemination (which is a route that I highly doubt that they would take).

Why wouldnt they go the AI route?