The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - - Part 11

[WhoMani]

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My belief is that if the character is neither referenced or introduced in the confines of the show, then they do not officially exist in that universe.

That was my point regarding you saying that the show is erasing Impulse or the Tornado Twins existence as far as we know they don't exist in this universe and The Flash tv show is not the same as the comics which is fine. If fans can accept elseworlds or what ifs then they're should be fine with shows or movies creating their own continuity within their own unique universe.

 

[Herolee10]

Which is my point all along, that I (and several others) do not appreciate the show wiping the likes of the tornado twins and impulse from existence in the confines of the Arrowverse just for the sake of having diversity with XS (a moniker that was supposed to be adapted by Barry Allen's granddaughter from Dawn Allen). Some of us actually like those characters.

The show has literally thrown away or wasted the potential of most of the qualities that make Flash such a great character.

 

[flickchick85]

I'm personally enjoying Nora so far. I have my issues with this season thus far, but she's not one of them. It IS possible to enjoy these things on their own terms, outside of what one would expect/hope to see from the comics.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Which is my point all along, that I (and several others) do not appreciate the show wiping the likes of the tornado twins and impulse from existence in the confines of the Arrowverse just for the sake of having diversity with XS (a moniker that was supposed to be adapted by Barry Allen's granddaughter from Dawn Allen). Some of us actually like those characters.

The show has literally thrown away or wasted the potential of most of the qualities that make Flash such a great character.

There is no way to know what they will be erasing or changing. We spent 3 seasons with no idea that they'd bring in anyone from the future since they never showed any of the characters like Dawn/Bart/etc. outside of RF. Jay Garrick didnt show up until....he actually showed up. Same with Wally.

 

[WhoMani]

Which is my point all along, that I (and several others) do not appreciate the show wiping the likes of the tornado twins and impulse from existence in the confines of the Arrowverse just for the sake of having diversity with XS (a moniker that was supposed to be adapted by Barry Allen's granddaughter from Dawn Allen). Some of us actually like those characters.

The show has literally thrown away or wasted the potential of most of the qualities that make Flash such a great character.

But on the other side of the argument there are others like myself that see the The Flash TV show as its own thing and can enjoy it for what it is. Also you're just assuming that we won't ever see Impulse, it is possible that the showrunners decided to introduce the character in a future season. If Bart Allen never shows up then it doesn't automatically mean that it ruins the show or the The Flash character. Season one will be remembered fondly and it only had two speedsters (RF and The Flash). Robin not showing up in The Dark Knight Trilogy didn't ruin the Batman character for me and many others.

I think season four isn't for you as you already made up your mind about Nora.

 

[BH/HHH]

People shouldn't expect TV shows to follow the same route with characters as the comic books. They will take liberties and creative decisions based on the shows audience as they should really. They don't want to be too predictable and they will make creative decisions based off other factors. Such as audience reactions, demographics etc. If you're expecting them to be like the comics to a T then you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I'm personally enjoying Nora so far. I have my issues with this season thus far, but she's not one of them. It IS possible to enjoy these things on their own terms, outside of what one would expect/hope to see from the comics.

I've always felt that this show does a far better job at embracing its more complex and zany elements than other comic book adaptations. It doesn't try to be grounded and gritty, nor does it become self-parody and silliness, except for that awful musical episode. It walks a tightrope that no other super hero show has ever been able to balance.

 

[flickchick85]

I've always felt that this show does a far better job at embracing its more complex and zany elements than other comic book adaptations. It doesn't try to be grounded and gritty, nor does it become self-parody and silliness, except for that awful musical episode. It walks a tightrope that no other super hero show has ever been able to balance.

And see, I loved the musical episode. I think there have been way worse and/or sillier episodes than that. But otherwise, I generally agree.

 

[WhoMani]

I've always felt that this show does a far better job at embracing its more complex and zany elements than other comic book adaptations. It doesn't try to be grounded and gritty, nor does it become self-parody and silliness, except for that awful musical episode. It walks a tightrope that no other super hero show has ever been able to balance.

I kinda like that The Flash (along with Legends of Tomorrow and Supergirl) is proud that it's a lighthearted superhero show and embraces the fun/silly aspects of the superhero genre.

 

[Lantern Venom]

And see, I loved the musical episode. I think there have been way worse and/or sillier episodes than that. But otherwise, I generally agree.

I know that opinions were divided on the musical episode. Generally, I don't enjoy musicals or music-based TV shows, so I'll admit that I was a hard sell. "Super-Friend" (or whatever it was called) was the low point of the entire Arrowverse for me. That was excruciating. I've watched every episode of the Flash 3-5 times, except for that episode, which I'll never endure again. But, I digress.

The original point was that Flash isn't a campy show or a gritty one. It strikes a tonal balance that occasionally shifts one way or another, but it always comes back to center and achieves the narrative goals of the show.

 

[BH/HHH]

Flash does the balance better than Supergirl that’s for sure

 

[2kt09]

The original point was that Flash isn't a campy show or a gritty one. It strikes a tonal balance that occasionally shifts one way or another, but it always comes back to center and achieves the narrative goals of the show.

I don't think it's leveled out to s1 territory. Feels fairly campy, atm, as it notably shifted gears back in s4.

 

[Flash525]

Sweet Jesus guys, so much timeline criticism here. Does anyone really need reminding that nothing is set in stone as far as the Flash series goes? Nora existing means nothing in the long run as far as Bart Allen or the Tornado Twins go.

Nora liking girls doesn't mean she's only ever going to like girls either. She could meet a guy and have those twins. The Tornado Twins (and Bart) could exist on another Earth, hell, even Nora could be from another Earth (don't rule it out just yet).

Kid Flash was utilized poorly, in part by the writers, but then by the actor toward the end; he simply didn't wish to portray the character at the moment; there's not a whole lot the writers can do about someone who doesn't want to play the role they've wrote for them.

There is no way they're going to wrap the Flash show up without introducing Bart Allen at some point. Him, Barry, Wally and Jay are the four main Speedsters of DC Comics, and we've got three of them already. Bart will feature at some point, of that I have no doubt, but really, he should be endgame.

 

[flickchick85]

I kinda like that The Flash (along with Legends of Tomorrow and Supergirl) is proud that it's a lighthearted superhero show and embraces the fun/silly aspects of the superhero genre.

Yep, that's why I enjoy them. Well, except Legends - that one goes too far on the campy scale for me, and IMO it doesn't have the compelling characters/chemistry to make up for it. But Flash and SG scratch that particular whimsical comic book-y itch that no other superhero shows do for me.

 

[WhoMani]

There is no way they're going to wrap the Flash show up without introducing Bart Allen at some point. Him, Barry, Wally and Jay are the four main Speedsters of DC Comics, and we've got three of them already. Bart will feature at some point, of that I have no doubt, but really, he should be endgame.

Yeah considering that The Flash have introduced Jay Garrick and Wally West, I'm 95% sure that Bart Allen will turn up in the foreseeable future. Like you said Bart Allen is an important character in the Flash mythos and I think the writers being fans of the comic will surely have Bart show up for at least one episode.

 

[2kt09]

Introduce Max Mercury first or at least develop The Accelerated Man.

 

[fan4stic]

I don't think it's leveled out to s1 territory. Feels fairly campy, atm, as it notably shifted gears back in s4.

I think Cold was no less campy than what we've had this season so far.

 

[2kt09]

I think Cold was no less campy than what we've had this season so far.

Cold? He got more hammy with each subsequent appearance. Got to catch up on LoT one of these days since apparently he & Heat get some good character work.

 

[flickchick85]

Cold was the campiest character/performance this side of Katee Sackhoff. But I enjoy Sackhoff's performance more, tbh, even if her character is more hit-or-miss.

 

[WereCoyote]

c. If you're expecting them to be like the comics to a T then you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

1st I don't think this would even be possible to do, since there are so many different runs of comics, with different writers and different cannons. However we can expect them to keep to the core of the characters, and not change things for the sake of changing them, or use characters actually from the comics, and not create their own amalgams.

 

[BH/HHH]

1st I don't think this would even be possible to do, since there are so many different runs of comics, with different writers and different cannons. However we can expect them to keep to the core of the characters, and not change things for the sake of changing them, or use characters actually from the comics, and not create their own amalgams.

Of course you have to keep core characteristics but amalgams have existed for years in other media. Even going back to the 90s Flash series he had elements of Barry and Wally. I don't think that's a problem at all. I'm not saying aswell we have to be happy with that, but sometimes I feel like certain people just will never be happy cause they have a defined way of how they want these characters to exist.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I feel like Nora is being introduced so that they can introduce her son, Impulse, next season

 

[Thome216]

Whether she is gay or bi, she can still have kids. A person's sexual preference does not preclude progeny.

 

[igoogol]

I remember when Joe West and Barry Allen were the West Allen that made the show. Since then it’s been Iris West, Iris West, Iris West-Allen, and now Iris and Nora West-Allen. Why keep everyone else around then? They’d save mucho moolah getting rid of everyone not named West-Allen. But then, they’d have to change the show’s name...

 

[Dark Raven]

I remember when Joe West and Barry Allen were the West Allen that made the show. Since then it’s been Iris West, Iris West, Iris West-Allen, and now Iris and Nora West-Allen. Why keep everyone else around then? They’d save mucho moolah getting rid of everyone not named West-Allen. But then, they’d have to change the show’s name...

They can change it to the West Wing.