The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 6

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It's crazy how much better The Flash is at homages, teases, foreshadows, and cliffhangers than Arrow is.

Plus, Spivot might be the more fully realized female character Flash/Arrow/Smallville/etc. has ever had.

****, I love this show.
 
Just had a thought:

Zoom is Patty. She seems awfully suspicious. Though I liked her character Barry seemed to trust her right away whereas with Jay he constantly questioned even though everything he said checked out.
 
Avenging Angel said:
Just had a thought:

Zoom is Patty. She seems awfully suspicious. Though I liked her character Barry seemed to trust her right away whereas with Jay he constantly questioned even though everything he said checked out.
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haha!
I suspected her for a bit.
Not sure though.....probably not
 
I hope Jay gets his speed back soon, but I doubt it will be before the final ep or eps if it is a multi part finale.
 
regnak said:
I hope Jay gets his speed back soon, but I doubt it will be before the final ep or eps if it is a multi part finale.
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I could see it as a mid-season finale thing. Hope it doesn't take them very long to give him his powers back, would be a shame to have two Flash's on the show and only have one with his powers intact.
 
Eni said:
I think one thing that makes it hard for Barry to just get them back to their own world is that these people are out to kill him and he doesn't seem to have been presented with many alternatives in regard how to take care of them other than which have turned out lethal.
I don't really see that as a big deal, though, just because Barry may or may not have killed those two villains (and Sanddemon was a psycho who had it coming imo) doesn't make him to a less interesting character to me.
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well don't get me wrong I know sand demon was a psycho

and I'm ok if he was killed but in the sitation no ther chose or self defence. I guesthe best way to hvae captured him was to have bag of sement and for barry to tornado spin him with some some water.

I know this was to show of the lighting ability and it was cool. but I guess my issue is about heroes like doctoer light and atom smasher cause they the show's of both arrow flash and legend might head to creating the justice league amd B , C D lister heroes are what available since super man bat man wonder woman are off the table and so are booter gold and the bettle the latter of which people waould argue are c-d Listers

I like the JLA but their way of dealing with threats and enemies is redundant in many cases as they just seem to wait for trouble to come back and bite them in their ass again (and kill innocent people as well). I think Barry actually taking care of those who are dangerous and have the intent to hurt others is fine, whether it be in a lethal way or not.
I myself can't imagine Barry wanting to become some sort of Punisher, tho, so I guess they won't get so far with his character, anyway.
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Not in th e way oliver is doing in arrow currently though. his is worse . but as I explained it up top about it being no other chose cause they didn't have another option available at the time at that very moment on the fly but they had alot of time for alternatives with in the show be sides just the lighting. I also explain that it was to show off his cool lighting move. some was lost in the mix, other wise I wouldn't have mention using cement




I like the Pipeline, I never had a real problem with it because I'm pretty sure it's just temporary and they will certainly come up with a better way to deal with meta humans. I hope Iron Hights is getting some kind of update and can hold metas one day, that would be pretty cool.
For those who are like Ronny and have powers but can't control them I would say it's completely fine to put them somewhere where they can't hurt others while they learn how to deal with these powers- and I think any decent person who is in this position probably doesn't want to mingle with people when there is a possibility that they can hurt or even kill them, anyway.[/QUOTE]

with the pipe line I can only see it being used as temporary in the sense that iron may be a certain distance from the city and they need a place to hold til they transport them there other wise they should move to temporary cell's to the police department where joe's at now cause star labs just should be used for that a secret base for team flash yes but not a prison . NCIS L.A. seem to have the right idea about keeping their HQ a secret and have their own interrogation area away from their HQ. which is very smart.
thanks for seeing thing in a good light it very enjoyable to talk to you.
 
Avenging Angel said:
He's helping her get over her residual feelings for Ronnie possibly.
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no that's not where the writers are head they did this same thing with cloe in smalls ville and it bothered m as well . but the show was on it's last season so I let it go but I know others on my buddies that hang out and talk with often that didn't like it as well.


the morne period is a year and half at most . but she's only had 4 months . they need to cool it. with that other it's hard to buy that person on any thing.
 
KRYPTON INC. said:
The unsanctioned aspect is a problem, no doubt, but I still think it's secondary to the logistics of actually having them there in the first place. If you or I were holding ONE person hostage, even just giving them one meal a day, there's still scads of stuff you have to think about. Add in more than one then also factor in powers and it becomes silly to think that our crew at STAR ever thought this was a workable solution. Barry has a day job, so does Joe. Are we to assume Caitlyn and Cisco, what, we're staying at STAR 24 hours a day ON TOP of what ever case of the week they were handling? There is a reason actual prisons are labor intensive and have giant staffs.

Call it a nitpick, but it was just silly to me that they had these villains at STAR. Hopefully they are done with that and use the holding cells sparingly this season.
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oh yes your correct there are alot of show's even animated that would address this and they are considered top shows for it.

this was the very reason I want Ray Palmer on the show and still want him to get that out of the way they kinda solved that problem with Oliver in arrow when he went to pick up for Latin America and she had money from Malcolm to restart up the club and the club is still under oliver's name as own but she was managing partner of the club and running the place so he had money from that so the problem solve in stead of the constant complaint of lip service from the characters that wasn't working for tv. cause the writers didn't think it out properly compare to other medium's

now ray will be in legends and that's fine especially if it get another season but him guest staring in flash shouldn't be a problem after felicity find's out he's alive and eventually bring him back he still left star city to felicity and the rest company be run by him where ever he set his hat.

him buying star labs should be an issue and he can guest star to put be like lex's dad Lionel Luthor and have a recurring role which is different from be a part of a main cast but still have main role in legend's if that show demand his presence there.


cause well's is now a murder thanks to reverse flash impersonating him saying himself as well killed barry's mother framing the real dead well and the one was saw is likely from a alternate reality where it's the well's that wasn't murdered by Eobard to take his identity. so that version of well won't be staying long ether to run star labs financially. ray's the best fit to take over star labs financially and keep it open with out question of what it's still open to people who are smart.. and with him in the re occurring role it doesn't have to have there in a every freaking day/ episode appearance. so he can still be on legends if it gets another season which could be very likely and it won't inter with stuff as is. it's doable
 
Here's something I just don't get. If Thayne was erased from the timeline how exactly did he leave that message for Barry? I thought everything he did would be erased but even if that was the case Barry's mom would still be alive wouldn't see. I know we speculated this before but it just seems odd that Wells was able to exist and leave that message for Barry.
 
The best that I can think of is that everything that happened before Eddie's suicide still happened. But the real answers are, time travel plots are always confusing/arbitrary. Even some of the better ones (The Terminator, Terminator 2 for example) can be picked apart for flaws/plot holes if you look deeply enough. The rules are basically, whatever the particular writer wants/needs them to be I guess.
 
SuperBatman said:
Here's something I just don't get. If Thayne was erased from the timeline how exactly did he leave that message for Barry? I thought everything he did would be erased but even if that was the case Barry's mom would still be alive wouldn't see. I know we speculated this before but it just seems odd that Wells was able to exist and leave that message for Barry.
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It's all about the timeline. For example, the show takes place in a second timeline, the first being where Barry's mother is alive and he becomes the Flash much later in life.

The second Thawne went back and killed her, a new timeline was created. Therefore, everything that had yet to happen in the original timeline, would not happen or happen differently, depending on what her death ultimately means to the world at large.

The same applies to Thawne's perspective. He died in 2015, but that doesn't erase what happened in 1999 (or whatever year Barry's mother was killed). In the grand scheme of things, Thawne's death ultimately means that there won't be a RF to go back in time and kill Barry's mother, however, that creates a new timeline, or it could restore the original timeline, but the fact of the matter is, the timeline we are watching, is not affected because that original Thawne was alive in 1999, and the only way to stop him would be to kill him in the past, but depending on what happens and how, a third timeline could be created.
 
SuperBatman said:
Here's something I just don't get. If Thayne was erased from the timeline how exactly did he leave that message for Barry? I thought everything he did would be erased but even if that was the case Barry's mom would still be alive wouldn't see. I know we speculated this before but it just seems odd that Wells was able to exist and leave that message for Barry.
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Every time travel story has it's own rules and trying to apply rules from another franchise to this one is futile. Thawne doesn't get retroactively wiped from the time line. Everything that happened...happened as we saw it play out. When Thawne gets wiped out...it's at that moment he stops existing.
 
Actually, I don't really think that Sand Demon is dead. Jay did teach Barry how to beat him, after all, and an attack that kills doesn't work on the same person more than once. I know Jay said that Barry would have to beat Sand Demon in a way that he never could, but unless Sand Demon was just running around free on Earth-2, Jay must've beat him at some point.
 
The episodes sure makes it seem like he's dead, but we'll see if it's addressed later on. Atom Smasher definitely looked dead though, so there's still that.
 
Hard to be dead when you're transformed into a lifeless object to begin with.
 
Random thought: Does anyone think Iris's mom is actually Iris's mom from an alternative universe? I'm really not sure the point otherwise.
 
I'm guessing she's gonna be like " hey Joe you remember when I left you all those years ago well I was pregnant at the time with your baby. Meet your son Wally West"
 
Ooh, that's a good point. That's another reason to have her. Of course, Wally West could also be from another universe, so maybe I can still be right ;)
 
Yeah, in some way Mrs. West is going to be used to intro Wally my gut tells me.
 
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