The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 9

[mqg96]

Why just keep Barry, Caitlin, & Cisco as your core three. Keep Joe as the only West allowed in Star Labs. Send Wally off to Teen Titans show that's being developed right now. Make Iris do investigation for the newspaper.

Since Caitlin is full blown Killer Frost now, I think Tracy Band will replace her as the new female scientist in Star Labs heading into season 4. Even if the team finds a way to fix Caitlin's personality disorder from her cold powers, Caitlin will be ashamed that she hurt her friends and will want to leave. I'm sure we will see a lot more Gypsy in the future as well.

 

[Eni]

Yeah, making it small would certainly make it easier for the writers when it comes to focused story telling and character development. I think Iris can pass by in Star Labs every once in a while, but her being there all the time and being nothing but emotional support or standing around is a very lacking role for her to fulfill. Her actually working as the reporter she is supposed to be would be nice, and you could give her something to do on her own that does somehow influence what is going on with team Flash or has nothing to do with it, just so that she as a character doesn't get stuck as the damsel in distress or the pretty girl to look at all the time. Wally really doesn't belong in the show just yet anyway, I think it was a big mistake to introduce him just yet, so I'm all for him being gone for a couple of seasons.
Caitlin and Cisco are really the only guys you need in the lab, Harry, H.R. and whoever many variations of that guy there are is really someone who is not necessary and doesn't add a lot to the story as it is.

 

[mqg96]

^^^^ We need more journalism background stories from Iris like we did the first 2 seasons.

 

[Eni]

I would say we need even more than that. They did at least put some effort in those, but I still think it would be better if they actually give her more to do other than Barry passing by at her work every once in a while or her working on a story one out of twelve episodes. I'm convinced you can do more than that, she just needs more focus on her.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Iris needs a complete reboot to gain any sympathy from the viewers.

Team Flash does need to reform, it feels like the team has been pushed apart due to overcrowding and useless characters hogging screen time.

 

[AcePair]

I basically agree with the general opinion: the problem is the bloated team and being fixated in Star Labs. Season 1 had a better usage of the different sets. They need to go back to the season 1 formula but of course with a couple of changes since the characters have grown since then. Barry should spend more time at CCPD and rely less on the star labs team...have him defeat the villains on his own, Cisco and Wells at Star Labs, Iris at CCPN investigating and helping Barry and Joe on cases, Caitlin as Killer Frost (recurring role - make her an anti villain so she helps the team out here and there), show Wally at school working on whatever degree he's going for and doing Kid Flash stuff on the side, Julian and Joe at CCPD. And the most important thing: bring back the light tone of season 1! All of this would shake up the dynamic and improve the show immensely.

 

[Syncos]

Iris needs a complete reboot to gain any sympathy from the viewers.

Team Flash does need to reform, it feels like the team has been pushed apart due to overcrowding and useless characters hogging screen time.

I disagree. I think she's fine. I'm sure i'm not the only one. They don't give her enough to do. It would be nice if she wasn't just there to be Barry's lightning rod. But I love that she is.

 

[Wildcard]

I agree, the character doesn't need a total reboot, just a more meaty role. She's essentially the center of the ongoing storyline and still has yet to do anything of note. It's getting tiresome to see her be pretty much the only main character who does nothing but stand around and look good from episode to episode.

Patton deserves better.

 

[guyisnotcool]

How about we screw the Star Labs thing and just have Barry on his own.

 

[Fans of Reilly]

so This season is like the first inFAMOUS game Barry is Cole savitar is Kessler and savitar killing iris west like Kessler killing Trish

 

[mqg96]

So will the "Cause & Effect" episode be Savitar's origin story?

 

[marvelrobbins]

How about we screw the Star Labs thing and just have Barry on his own.

that will never happen.the cw dc shows will always have it unfortully that is reason why supergirl at times comes off as alex danvers show co-starring supergirl.both flash and arrow quite honestly have way too many characters around.

 

[Frodo]

I think one of the problems at this point is the shows format , i.e. ongoing story arch mysteries over 20 odd episodes in addition to once again relying on a mystery speedster villain.

I've been advocating for season 4 to go back to the old episodic model of the, Adventures of Superman, Star Trek, even Batman the Animated series etc. model of one and done anthology episodes with maybe a few episodes which are two or three-parters.

The characters could still progress without each episode having to fit into some larger narrative and each villain feeling like an afterthought because we're waiting for more clues on the big bad.

That way you can have one episode in which Bart Allen shows up from the future, or other episodes in which villans like Reverse Flash, The Rouges, etc, appear without having to make it some grand mystery or arch.

 

[zenith16]

they said that next season there won't be speedster that the evil main bad of that year run. they'll stay to that. After words though.... . they didn't say that though.

 

[Lencho01]

Spoiler

FLASH Facts: Barry Allen

FLASH Facts: Iris West

FLASH Facts: The Thawne Family And The Reverse Flashes

FLASH Facts: Team Flash

FLASH Facts: Atom Smasher

FLASH Facts: Jay Garrick

FLASH Facts: Captain Cold

FLASH Facts: Firestorm

FLASH Facts: Linda Park

FLASH Facts: Earth-2

FLASH Facts: Gorilla Grodd

FLASH Facts: Vandal Savage

FLASH Facts: Wally West Part 1

FLASH Facts: Wally West Part 2

FLASH Facts: The Turtle

FLASH Facts: Tina McGee and Patty Spivot

FLASH Facts: Tar Pit

FLASH Facts: Deadshot

FLASH Facts: Velocity 9

FLASH Facts: King Shark

FLASH Facts: Trajectory

FLASH Facts: Pied Piper

FLASH Facts: Griffin

FLASH Facts: Rupture

FLASH Facts: The Speed Force

FLASH Facts: Rival

FLASH Facts: Magenta

FLASH Facts: Mirror Master

FLASH Facts: Sidekicks

FLASH Facts: Alchemy

FLASH Facts: Invasion!

FLASH Facts: Trickster

FLASH Facts: Plunder

FLASH Facts: Gypsy

FLASH Facts: The Assassination Of Iris West

FLASH Facts: Jesse Quick

FLASH Facts: The Black Flash

FLASH Facts: Supergirl

FLASH Facts: Abra Kadabra

FLASH Facts: The Top

FLASH Facts: Alternates

 

[Dark Raven]

If, say, witnessing the death of Iris is the event that caused Barry to eventually turn to the dark side and become Savitar (because of a lack of love), then maybe he'll decide that a) he simply won't witness Iris's death and b) that Iris actually needs to die without any interference from Barry so that it will somehow break the causal loop. Maybe her death will actually stop the event that set Barry on the path to becoming Savitar, so that he can't come back in time to kill her in the first place.

Maybe once she dies, and the loop is broken, Iris will reappear and events will occur differently than it did in this causal loop.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I think one of the problems at this point is the shows format , i.e. ongoing story arch mysteries over 20 odd episodes in addition to once again relying on a mystery speedster villain.

I've been advocating for season 4 to go back to the old episodic model of the, Adventures of Superman, Star Trek, even Batman the Animated series etc. model of one and done anthology episodes with maybe a few episodes which are two or three-parters.

The characters could still progress without each episode having to fit into some larger narrative and each villain feeling like an afterthought because we're waiting for more clues on the big bad.

That way you can have one episode in which Bart Allen shows up from the future, or other episodes in which villans like Reverse Flash, The Rouges, etc, appear without having to make it some grand mystery or arch.

I think they should try having a season that consists almost entirely of two to three parters, and give their stories some serious breathing room. It's a shame seeing villains like Mirror Master, Kadabra, etc. get a lot of their potential wasted in one episode appearances.

 

[TheGearMan]

It's a shame seeing villains like Mirror Master, Kadabra, etc. get a lot of their potential wasted in one episode appearances.

I agree. When I saw the string of Rogues episodes in Season 1, I loved that it was a whole different plot not related to Reverse Flash. Then Legends of Tomorrow took them away, and Season 2 lost that depth. When Season 3 had the episode "The New Rogues," I hoped they were planning to restore that extra complexity.

Guess not.

 

[metaphysician]

How about we screw the Star Labs thing and just have Barry on his own.

So. Who does he interact with? Who are his supporting characters?

If your expectation is "the hero spends 90% of his time not interacting with any important recurring characters", then you just plain need to adjust your expectations. Its not going to happen; having a lone individual not interacting with anybody else recurring makes for bad TV.

 

[Eni]

So. Who does he interact with? Who are his supporting characters?

If your expectation is "the hero spends 90% of his time not interacting with any important recurring characters", then you just plain need to adjust your expectations. Its not going to happen; having a lone individual not interacting with anybody else recurring makes for bad TV.

He doesn't need a team to interact with people, he still can have friends and alleys to play off. A team in general is not a bad concept but how the writers have handled that so far is no good. Look at Datedevil for example, he has supporting characters he can work with but who aren't dragging him down and make him look like a moron or create boring drama side stories so they have something to do. Why not give him someone with their own subplot that actually allows them to grow independently from each other. That would do characters like Iris a world of good.

The Flash doesn't have to focus solely on the Flash but it should be the main focus nonetheless and the title hero shouldn't always be undermined by the other characters on the show so they don't come over as useless.

It's not that it can't be done, it's that CW has this silly formula they cling to and hire writers accordingly.

 

[zenith16]

He doesn't need a team to interact with people, he still can have friends and alleys to play off. A team in general is not a bad concept but how the writers have handled that so far is no good. Look at Datedevil for example, he has supporting characters he can work with but who aren't dragging him down and make him look like a moron or create boring drama side stories so they have something to do. Why not give him someone with their own subplot that actually allows them to grow independently from each other. That would do characters like Iris a world of good.

The Flash doesn't have to focus solely on the Flash but it should be the main focus nonetheless and the title hero shouldn't always be undermined by the other characters on the show so they don't come over as useless.

It's not that it can't be done, it's that CW has this silly formula they cling to and hire writers accordingly.

yeah dare devil the point is there they took alot of what was in the books fallowed it as formula. while writer have taken element's of the flash book's they didn't take it all . and they went head with their own stories . the problem here is they don't know how fully handle ensemble cast's but they going into still which is weird.

and they don't seem to have every thing fully out lined and plotted out cause they have most of the season still being written out during production when they should be writing that stuff during the summer vacationretreats like other tv script writers .


the cw script writers just need two things really change their formula and have their out lines & plots put down before production all befor the start in the fall again in stead of writing every dureing the season and they need a Script doc like brian fuller. I'm not joking on the latter ether hire (brain fuller) him now. and you'll how much better the series gets.

 

[Avenging Angel]

He doesn't need a team to interact with people, he still can have friends and alleys to play off. A team in general is not a bad concept but how the writers have handled that so far is no good. Look at Datedevil for example, he has supporting characters he can work with but who aren't dragging him down and make him look like a moron or create boring drama side stories so they have something to do. Why not give him someone with their own subplot that actually allows them to grow independently from each other. That would do characters like Iris a world of good.

The Flash doesn't have to focus solely on the Flash but it should be the main focus nonetheless and the title hero shouldn't always be undermined by the other characters on the show so they don't come over as useless.

It's not that it can't be done, it's that CW has this silly formula they cling to and hire writers accordingly.

This. I think the writers on this show could only benefit from the maturity of Daredevil. Drew Goddard maybe needs to consult with the Helbings. I think the only weak characters are again, the love interests, like Claire and Karen, even though they have their moments. Deborah and Rosario are amazing actresses, they could do more than what they've given. That's only thing the writers here on this show need to fix.

 

[signalman]

Wish Barry would stop standing around Dumbfounded and start using his speed and wits.
It irks me to see Barry just stand there and not do anything until the villain makes his/her move,

 

[zenith16]

This. I think the writers on this show could only benefit from the maturity of Daredevil. Drew Goddard maybe needs to consult with the Helbings. I think the only weak characters are again, the love interests, like Claire and Karen, even though they have their moments. Deborah and Rosario are amazing actresses, they could do more than what they've given. That's only thing the writers here on this show need to fix.

they do need a consultant.

 

[Eni]

Wish Barry would stop standing around Dumbfounded and start using his speed and wits.
It irks me to see Barry just stand there and not do anything until the villain makes his/her move,

That would be a nice change for once.