The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 9

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This. I think the writers on this show could only benefit from the maturity of Daredevil. Drew Goddard maybe needs to consult with the Helbings. I think the only weak characters are again, the love interests, like Claire and Karen, even though they have their moments. Deborah and Rosario are amazing actresses, they could do more than what they've given. That's only thing the writers here on this show need to fix.

I don't think that Karen's story was weak in the second season, especially in the second half of it. In a way, I wish they would have given a similar plot to Iris since Karen actually turned into quite an air reporter.
It is a pity that that consulting will never happen, it would benefit the show so much, but then again, there are so many good writers out there, why not choose just someone who is able to write a more cohesive story and character development? The problem really is that they don't go into this with an solid idea already in their minds but making it up as they go and that really hurts the show.
 
yeah dare devil the point is there they took alot of what was in the books fallowed it as formula. while writer have taken element's of the flash book's they didn't take it all . and they went head with their own stories . the problem here is they don't know how fully handle ensemble cast's but they going into still which is weird.

and they don't seem to have every thing fully out lined and plotted out cause they have most of the season still being written out during production when they should be writing that stuff during the summer vacationretreats like other tv script writers .


the cw script writers just need two things really change their formula and have their out lines & plots put down before production all befor the start in the fall again in stead of writing every dureing the season and they need a Script doc like brian fuller. I'm not joking on the latter ether hire (brain fuller) him now. and you'll how much better the series gets.

They also took a lot of the Flash comics as inspiration for the show, and they didn't stick beat to beat to the comic storyline on Daredevil, so I don't think that's really that big of an issue, but I completely agree that it is most likely the writers either not been given enough time or not taking enough time to come up with a solid plot before starting to film a season. That is probably also why the different storylines feels so superfluous, halfassed or rushed at times.
It would probably do them way more good if they simply go with different writers.
 
He doesn't need a team to interact with people, he still can have friends and alleys to play off. A team in general is not a bad concept but how the writers have handled that so far is no good. Look at Datedevil for example, he has supporting characters he can work with but who aren't dragging him down and make him look like a moron or create boring drama side stories so they have something to do. Why not give him someone with their own subplot that actually allows them to grow independently from each other. That would do characters like Iris a world of good.

The Flash doesn't have to focus solely on the Flash but it should be the main focus nonetheless and the title hero shouldn't always be undermined by the other characters on the show so they don't come over as useless.

It's not that it can't be done, it's that CW has this silly formula they cling to and hire writers accordingly.

This is mulkarky, having a team doesn't weaken the main character. That silly formula of having a team to support the hero was just used in Leigon to stunning success. It's about who is telling the story and not how it's structured.
 
Caitlin and Cisco are really the only guys you need in the lab, Harry, H.R. and whoever many variations of that guy there are is really someone who is not necessary and doesn't add a lot to the story as it is.
Actually I disagree. I have no interest at all with Caitlin's life whatsoever. Now she's killerfrost and that's all good.
And I also disagree about H.R. The guy's is kind of useless, this is what makes him so good. The writers, and the character, are free to do whatever they like. He can be funny, sad serious, useful or useless. He certainly feels, most of the time, like the most realistic persona of the show, because no one really act always the same way all the time.
For me, the character was a huge part of why I watched the show. Beyond the flash himself of course.
Like the rogues, I like seeing H.R. around.
 
Yeah, I wouldn't exactly be heartbroken if Caitlin left the permanent cast, I used her and Cisco as an example due to how season one handled them. I don't mind her but she and Iris are pretty much on the same level of indifference for me.
H.R. is okay as a character, I certainly prefer him over Harry of last season, and kudos to you if you enjoy him that much, I still would prefer him not being forcefully tagged on to the team all the time since he only takes up time they could use for character development of characters that actually matter. He is also an extremely cartoonish character, more like a caricature of who Dr Wells was supposed to be, at least I perceive him as anything but realistic.
The Rouges are quite disastrously underused on the show, I would take them over anybody on team Flash any time but they really shot themselves in the foot with their casting and deciding to put Cold and Heatwave on lot.
 
This is mulkarky, having a team doesn't weaken the main character. That silly formula of having a team to support the hero was just used in Leigon to stunning success. It's about who is telling the story and not how it's structured.

No idea what mulkarky is but I take it you don't agree. I would say it can very much weaken the main character and the story as a whole if you handle the concept of a supporting team badly, and I stated quite clearly that I don't mind teams in general if they are handled well. Here the team isn't and it really isn't necessary either in their current form. Instead, it introduces a lot of problems instead when it comes to character and plot development as well as unnecessary drama.

It really doesn't matter who tells a story if the structure is ****, I think both has to be right for good story telling but I agree, lot has genereally better writers.
 
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This is what happened to the scientist who stuck his head inside a particle accelerator

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This is what happened to the scientist who stuck his head inside a particle accelerator

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What would happen if you stuck your body inside a particle accelerator? The scenario seems like the start of a bad Marvel comic, but it happens to shed light on our intuitions about radiation, the vulnerability of the human body, and the very nature of matter. Particle accelerators allow physicists to study subatomic particles by speeding them up in powerful magnetic fields and then tracing the interactions that result from collisions. By delving into the mysteries of the universe, colliders have entered the zeitgeist and tapped the wonders and fears of our age.

As far back as 2008, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), operated by the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), was charged with creating microscopic black holes that would allow physicists to detect extra dimensions. To many, this sounds like the plot of a disastrous science-fiction movie. It came as no surprise when two people filed a lawsuit to stop the LHC from operating, lest it produce a black hole powerful enough to destroy the world. But physicists argued that the idea was absurd and the lawsuit was rejected.

Then, in 2012, the LHC detected the long-sought Higgs boson, a particle needed to explain how particles acquire mass. With that major accomplishment, the LHC entered popular culture; it was featured on the album cover of Super Collider (2013) by the heavy metal band Megadeth, and was a plot point in the US television series The Flash (2014-).

Yet, despite its accomplishments and glamour, the world of particle physics is so abstract that few understand its implications, meaning or use. Unlike a NASA probe sent to Mars, CERN’s research doesn’t produce stunning, tangible images. Instead, the study of particle physics is best described by chalkboard equations and squiggly lines called Feynman diagrams. Aage Bohr, the Nobel laureate whose father Niels invented the Bohr model of the atom, and his colleague Ole Ulfbeck have even gone as far as to deny the physical existence of subatomic particles as anything more than mathematical models.

Which returns us to our original question: What happens when a beam of subatomic particles traveling at nearly the speed of light meets the flesh of the human body? Perhaps because the realms of particle physics and biology are conceptually so far removed, it’s not only laypeople who lack the intuition to answer this question, but also some professional physicists. In a 2010 YouTube interview with members of the physics and astronomy faculty at the University of Nottingham, several academic experts admitted that they had little idea what would happen if one were to stick a hand inside the proton beam at the LHC. Professor Michael Merrifield put it succinctly: “That’s a good question. I don’t know is the answer. Probably be very bad for you.” Professor Laurence Eaves was also cautious about drawing conclusions. “y the scales of energy we notice, it wouldn’t be that noticeable,” he said, likely with a bit of British understatement. “Would I put my hand in the beam? I’m not sure about that.”

Such thought experiments can be useful tools for exploring situations that can’t be studied in the laboratory. Occasionally, however, unfortunate accidents yield case studies: opportunities for researchers to study scenarios that can’t be experimentally induced for ethical reasons. Case studies have a sample size of one and no control group. But, as the neuroscientist V. S. Ramachandran has pointed out in Phantoms in the Brain (1998), it takes only one talking pig to prove that pigs can talk. On Sept. 13, 1848, for example, an iron rod pierced through the head of the US railway worker Phineas Gage and profoundly changed his personality, offering early evidence of a biological basis for personality.

And on July 13, 1978, a Soviet scientist named Anatoli Bugorski stuck his head in a particle accelerator. On that fateful day, Bugorski was checking malfunctioning equipment on the U-70 synchrotron—the largest particle accelerator in the Soviet Union—when a safety mechanism failed and a beam of protons traveling at nearly the speed of light passed straight through his head, Phineas Gage-style. It’s possible that, at that point in history, no other human being had ever experienced a focused beam of radiation at such high energy. Although proton therapy—a cancer treatment that uses proton beams to destroy tumors—was pioneered before Bugorski’s accident, the energy of these beams is generally not above 250 million electron volts (a unit of energy used for small particles). Bugorski might have experienced the full wrath of a beam with more than 300 times this much energy, 76 billion electron volts.

Proton radiation is a rare beast indeed. Protons from the solar wind and cosmic rays are stopped by Earth’s atmosphere, and proton radiation is so rare in radioactive decay that it was not observed until 1970. More familiar threats, such as ultraviolet photons and alpha particles, do not penetrate the body past skin unless a radioactive source is ingested. Russian dissident Alexander Litvinenko, for instance, was killed by alpha particles that do not so much as penetrate paper when he unknowingly ingested radioactive polonium-210 delivered by an assassin. But when Apollo astronauts protected by spacesuits were exposed to cosmic rays containing protons and even more exotic forms of radiation, they reported flashes of visual light, a harbinger of what would welcome Bugorski on the fateful day of his accident. According to an interview in Wired magazine in 1997, Bugorski immediately saw an intense flash of light but felt no pain. The young scientist was taken to a clinic in Moscow with half his face swollen, and doctors expected the worst.

Ionizing radiation particles such as protons wreak havoc on the body by breaking chemical bonds in DNA. This assault on a cell’s genetic programming can kill the cell, stop it from dividing, or induce a cancerous mutation. Cells that divide quickly, such as stem cells in bone marrow, suffer the most. Because blood cells are produced in bone marrow, for instance, many cases of radiation poisoning result in infection and anemia from losses of white blood cells and red blood cells, respectively. But unique to Bugorski’s case, radiation was concentrated along a narrow beam through the head, rather than being broadly distributed from nuclear fallout, as was the case for many victims of the Chernobyl disaster or the bombing of Hiroshima. For Bugorski, particularly vulnerable tissues, such as bone marrow and the gastrointestinal track, might have been largely spared. But where the beam shot through Bugorski’s head, it deposited an obscene amount of radiation energy, hundreds of times greater than a lethal dose by some estimates.

And yet, Bugorski is still alive today. Half his face is paralyzed, giving one hemisphere of his head a strangely young appearance. He is reported to be deaf in one ear. He suffered at least six generalized tonic-clonic seizures. Commonly known as grand mal seizures, these are the seizures most frequently depicted in film and television, involving convulsions and loss of consciousness. Bugorski’s epilepsy is likely a result of brain tissue-scarring left by the proton beam. It has also left him with petit mal or absence seizures, far less dramatic staring spells during which consciousness is briefly interrupted. There are no reports that Bugorski has ever been diagnosed with cancer, though that is often a long-term consequence of radiation exposure.

Despite having nothing less than a particle accelerator beam pass through his brain, Bugorski’s intellect remained intact, and he successfully completed his doctorate after the accident. Bugorski survived his accident. And as frightening and awesome as the inside of a particle accelerator might be, humanity has thus far survived the nuclear age.

 
I love Flash, and have enjoyed very much certain episodes. I have to catch up with these last 2, but from what I'm hearing I think I will like them. It's kind of the same with Supergirl......this season I think the writing is better, but I've REAAAALLLLY only enjoyed about 6 maybe 7 of the episodes with the others being "so...so" kind of my feelings bout Flash this season as well.
 
Go to your local Target to get the first 2 seasons of the Flash on DVD that are priced between $12.99-$14.99 as I don't know how long it will last.
 
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I don't know how I missed it since they've been using it so many times.
 
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At least it doesn't stick out as badly as when they kept re-using the CG model of the pilot suit all the way into season 2. But it'd be nice if they'd film some new scenes of him running like that, Barry's gonna have a new suit soon and it'll stick out like a sore thumb if they keep re-using that shot.
 
That's nothing photo shop won't fix. The show is used to copy/paste, even their story lines from Arrow.
 
I don't think that Karen's story was weak in the second season, especially in the second half of it. In a way, I wish they would have given a similar plot to Iris since Karen actually turned into quite an air reporter.
It is a pity that that consulting will never happen, it would benefit the show so much, but then again, there are so many good writers out there, why not choose just someone who is able to write a more cohesive story and character development? The problem really is that they don't go into this with an solid idea already in their minds but making it up as they go and that really hurts the show.

I did like Karen's role in S2 a lot better than in S1. That other part reminds to be seen, I have no faith in it but it's nice to hope.

I think the problem is Berltani and co. They seem to think that their formula is working because of Arrow, but it's really just an overrated, annoying model he picked up when he was a staff writer on Dawson's Creek. If they could consult anyone, it should be the cats from pre 52 but they don't dare go that way probably because of ego-centric reasons. They changed so much from the material it's become another person all together. There are a few elements to look forward to sure, it's not a bore completely but it is glaringly obvious when their weak spots in basic story telling override the narrative. It genuinely takes me away from enjoying the show. Pretty much the first rule in writing is: have a plan and build from there. That's a fundamental.
 
At least it doesn't stick out as badly as when they kept re-using the CG model of the pilot suit all the way into season 2. But it'd be nice if they'd film some new scenes of him running like that, Barry's gonna have a new suit soon and it'll stick out like a sore thumb if they keep re-using that shot.

Whenever he gets a new suit they'll shoot a new sequence to use.
 
New trailer for the last 3 episodes


Very good trailer. Could Snowbarry fans finally be getting a bone thrown to them? Also cue same old same old big bad puts female baddie in their place.
 
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I don't know how I missed it since they've been using it so many times.

Eh, that doesn't bother me too much. At the end of the day the budget is the budget and I'd rather have a few reused running shots than not get King Shark.
 
Watching the crossovers and the most recent ep when he has amnesia really makes me miss happy-go-plucky Barry. That quirky sense of humor and fun has gotten so loaded down and buried. What I remember most about seeing him in the first crossover with Supergirl was how fun and playful the character was. I know they're showing that serious things are happening, but they need to re-inject some of that levity back into it.
 
They handled Flashpoint wrong. The show is turning into a soap opera. A lot of it has to do with boring/forced relationships and stuff that drags. Maybe the last two episodes will allow some light inside.
 
You must have just started watching the Flash. Its *always* been a soap opera filled with forced relationship drama. :p
 
When KF told Julian "I don't Love you" he was ready to go ex-bf crazy LOL but he was too afraid to get turned into a popsicle.
 
Three whole seasons in, and people can still just walk in and out of STAR Labs whenever they want, including bad guys.
 
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