The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 9

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Honestly it is felt like Grant probably read more than simply New 52, but it was only up to a certain point than New 52 Flash stopped being good to be honest. Brian Buccellato and Francis Manapul was definitely a highlight when compared to later runs and Geoff Johns post Rebirth run, but Joshua Williamson definitely got it). But it seems like Ezra has a wider pallet of the Flash comics when it came to studying the character.
 



































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Honestly it is felt like Grant probably read more than simply New 52, but it was only up to a certain point than New 52 Flash stopped being good to be honest. Brian Buccellato and Francis Manapul was definitely a highlight when compared to later runs and Geoff Johns post Rebirth run, but Joshua Williamson definitely got it). But it seems like Ezra has a wider pallet of the Flash comics when it came to studying the character.

Even if he has, we still can't say how good or bad that will translate since, at most, thus far we've only gotten about a minute worth of screen-time from him as the character. Don't get me wrong, I'm expecting a good performance from Ezra, but I kind of feel like Grant's getting thrown under the bus here...at least a little bit.
 
Even if he has, we still can't say how good or bad that will translate since, at most, thus far we've only gotten about a minute worth of screen-time from him as the character. Don't get me wrong, I'm expecting a good performance from Ezra, but I kind of feel like Grant's getting thrown under the bus here...at least a little bit.

Grant most definitely does get thrown under the bus at times, not necessarily by anyone on this sub-forum, but some posters seem to act like they have to s*** on the tv shows in order to support the films, and I do think some people do this without even realizing it, not saying everyone who's unhappy with the shows do this, many have perfectly valid criticisms of the shows (a lot of which I agree with, even if I don't feel as strongly about most of them), but putting down Grant to prop up Ezra is just silly, Grant has done an excellent job with what he's been given, and the vast majority of moments where the character has been iffy fall on the writers, not Grant, and while I'm very optimistic about Ezra, we've barely seen anything of his performance, and even if he is fantastic, it's not like we're only allowed to be supportive of one version of the character.
 
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I don't think that Grant gets thrown under the bus here, I always perceived it as usual that a TV show has different actors than the movie version of the same property does - and, yeah, there are exceptions like Sex and the City, but it's been pretty common for DC so far.
That aside, Grant is a good actor, and I'm looking forward to his part as the main lead in the last full measure, but his version of Barry Allen is really not what I've been hoping for when this whole thing started. His portrayal has hardly anything to do with the comic Barry Allen, and while you have to accept a certain change of character when translated in a different medium, their depiction of him is very lackluster to me. It has nothing to do with Grant's acting chops, more with how he decided to play the Flash, and if they had casted him as the Flash for the movies, he certainly would have stuck to the version he pretty much created. Because of that, I'm glad we get Ezra while Ezra's version of Barry will certainly be hardly any closer to the Barry in the comics, from what I've seen so far, he reminds me of Wally a lot, I do hope he will be less prone to make stupid decisions, don't learn from his mistakes and be mopey and too depending on a team. Not to mention, Barry on the show is quite inept when it comes to the use his powers, and I know that is due to budget restrictions and because there are so many other characters who need something to do and I don't expect that to be the case in the movies which really gives me hope that I will finally see a Flash that comes closer to his comic version.
 
so my idea was harry ...

- fits with the fake wells line since harry always had some disrespect for hr ...

- fits with the fact that jesse´s father was good except for in earth-3 in the comics just like earth-1 wells and hr are good but harry is evil if he really does become savitar

- makes a little sence since he and jesse are not in the 2024 sceanes ... if something happened to jesse as a result of barry´s actions he could theoretically want to take the most important person from barry´s life as revenge

- could explain why it was so shocking for wally ... seeing his father-in-law behind the mask of a killer ... also explains the brutality svitar had with wally ... he could blame him for not saving jesse

- harry is a tech guy ... meaning he has the knowledge to build the suit

there is a problem throught ... 2024 cisco did mention all the bad things that happened to wally but didn´t mention jesse dying ...

possible explanation - it only happens in 2056 ... explaining 2056 barry´s guilty massage that appeared on legends

furthermore I believe the traitor is not catlyn but cisco ... savitar´s suit looks like the future barry´s suit from the new 52 comics and that barry also had a robotic hand ... like cisco has ... this could mean nothing since it´s a very weak lead but it could be a significant easter egg

let me know your toughts
 
I'd hate to see Savitar really have to go to the restroom. That time to get out of the suit was a bit much.
 
Is it possible Barry to create a time remnant of somebody else? Like maybe...Iris?
 
Is it possible Barry to create a time remnant of somebody else? Like maybe...Iris?
it hasn't been done in the book's and it's likely he doesn't know if he can in the show they aren't created . time Remanent are things from past timeline the doesn't exsist any more going forward.


they are pushed as just copys, but they are sentient and they have agreed to help their doulbes and it seem if the former original did a certain action a time Remanent will do the same action interact with the present day if they are a time traveler. . but sofar the only ones that have been interacted with are those of speedster them selves.

the answer is no knows if he can do that with version of iris.
 
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I only bring it up because I don't think anyone has mentioned time remnants all season until now.
 
I only bring it up because I don't think anyone has mentioned time remnants all season until now.
yeah it was mention this week on the show barry or the we know that wasn't messed up from iris death found out that his future self used time remnants to defeat savitar and failed. so he likely got a small army of doubles of him self and they were slaughtered.
 
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we also have to take into account that just cause speedster's manage to convince these time remnants of them selves to sacrifice them selves it doesn't mean they can convince other's of people they know. let's think about it berry while at times has made silly and selfish movies he still made to act heroic and self sacrificing too. the other's on the lab team and joe and iris on the other hand have been made to be silly self fish of late . to really stupid levels.

It's possible if he did meet's her copy since that time remnant's are sentient she has a chose . the time remnant version of iris may not want to be killed in that way, if at all . She may not agree. We may also have to wounder if any time remnant that isn't a speedster can fallow him out of the speed force or survive trip in it unaided by barry?
 
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The main issue I have regardless if Grant personally read the earlier stories in his spare time is the show does not allow those stories to be told, they don't develop most of anything with Barry. All of a sudden Barry can do a move we never saw him discover, and then out of nowhere he'll just stand there and let Top hypnotize him, then easily defeat them later. And then there's the crying. Barry Allen isn't a sad, mopey guy. It makes him seem like a wuss for crying at almost everything. Barry doesn't act like this. He doesn't give up easily or blame himself constantly. He solves, he fixes, he's strategic. Maybe if these writers actually read and implemented some characteristics of the guy from the earlier comics, I wouldn't have an issue. As a reader it takes me out of the story. I can't stand the soap opera seeping from him lately. Now if the writers decided to forgo their precious filler episodes to actually show us how Barry becomes a more experienced hero, then I'd be more of a fan. For now it's just the aesthetic and performances I'm looking at when I watch. I have almost no hope in the writing being consistent.
 
I don't think that it really would have mattered whether Grant had taken his inspiration for Barry from the earlier stories or not. I think his take on Barry is his own, even in the New 52 Barry Allen was not like the Barry he portrays, and I guess it is probably due to Grant knowing that he is good in acting drama that he is focusing his version of Barry so much on that - being emotional and pulling it off in a believable way so that it doesn't come over as too corny is hard, and he does a great job with it most of the time, but the problem is that that isn't at all who Barry Allen actually is.
I think the fault is certainly mostly on the writers and the directors, since they can influence Grant's acting a lot, but I also believe that he has started out with this version of Barry in his mind, and he seems to like it a lot. Ezra on the other hand is a big comic book Falsh fan, and probably will have a better grasp on the character from the get-go, though, from what I have seen, he seems to go more for a Wally West approach at least when it comes to humor and lightheartedness.
 
I'm curious about Ezra since he is a big fan of the mythos. I feel like Grant could benefit from more material pre 52. Hardcore readers are dying for this portrayal. If not everything should translate on screen, I'm hoping for some things that remain timeless to the character, like consistency and intelligence.
 
Time remnants do have free will after all Zoom said "It took me a while to convince my remnant to let me kill him" so that is a really possible idea.

However I think in the end it's going to be Reverse Flash because of the "its always been about time with you" line.
 
I think Ezra can bring a lot to the table, he seems honestly excited about being the Flash, and not only because he landed the gig but because he likes the character, which in itself is a huge plus regarding familiarity. I'm one of those people who puts a lot of hope in him regarding portraying the character being at least a little more true to the comic version. I think consistency and intelligence are a problem that would be a little unfair to pin on Grant's portrayal, though, since both are things that are heavily plot driven, and that is determined by the writers - again. I really hope that the movie will put more effort in, at least we can be sure we won't have the same amount of soap opera.
 
Grant has so much potential and these writers barely let him use any of it.
 
I think Grant is someone who is really great at portraying emotional scenes, and I don't doubt that he brings a lot to the table, but while I think that the writers are responsible for much of what we see on the show regarding how Barry comes over as too emotional, insecure, and dependent at times, I'm sure it is also due to Grant wanting to portray Barry as such - it's simply his take on the character. This is once again due to him not really being familiar with who Barry Allen actually is when they casted him, and while I'm sure he read up on other stuff than the new52 one by now, I have the feeling that he went into the whole thing without a real grasp on the character.
 
You could say the same about the whole cast.

A reason for that is probably that there are just too many characters, they don't have the time to focus on all of them. Not that it would be impossible, but they aren't able to pull that off despite more than 20 hours of show each season. They should cut the supporting cast down and focus more on the ones that are left.
 
I'm tired of emotional Barry. I want triumphant Barry. I want tactical Barry. I just want hints of Barry from the comics. Why are they so adamant on following the comics when that is their greatest weakness?
 
I feel like Grant could benefit from more material pre 52.

I was always curious to know this, but what if the 2024 Barry from the original timeline who got Barry out of house right before Reverse Flash killed his mom, had stories like the pre-52 Flash?

While our prime Barry Allen we've known since the series began has all the New 52 stories?
 
I was always curious to know this, but what if the 2024 Barry from the original timeline who got Barry out of house right before Reverse Flash killed his mom, had stories like the pre-52 Flash?

While our prime Barry Allen we've known since the series began has all the New 52 stories?

It would explain the writing that's for sure. So many great writers and story lines to go on and they had to choose Mr. Rebirth. Geoff Johns isn't an icon I don't care how long he's been doing this. He's very overrated as a writer. Pre 52 would have made this show more adult. Johns doesn't understand the mythos.
 
A reason for that is probably that there are just too many characters, they don't have the time to focus on all of them. Not that it would be impossible, but they aren't able to pull that off despite more than 20 hours of show each season. They should cut the supporting cast down and focus more on the ones that are left.

Why just keep Barry, Caitlin, & Cisco as your core three. Keep Joe as the only West allowed in Star Labs. Send Wally off to Teen Titans show that's being developed right now. Make Iris do investigation for the newspaper.
 
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