The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 9

[zenith16]

It's not incest. They're not related. Not even step-siblings because Joe never adopted Barry (or married his mother). If anything, they're foster siblings at the closest, which means nothing at all. They're not related. At all. Period. So it isn't incest.

Agreed they are not related on a different note we know somebody is going to die i think its joe's girlfriend.

the thing here is every has and view their family different if you raised the kid you see them as your kid even if they don't answer you last adopted or inthis case foster that how some folks see it it's like people decide how their relation ship should if there was certain distance in age and you made guardian of some that cousin you might eventuly to be their father or you just say your their guardian or cousin still every one is different. it's all in how they view things .

and this shown in the show Gotham with during season with story line related aziel the agent of the bat. and show the adopted siblingwas the female black villain to some socialite that the main villian of the season was her brother after making out with him . it was clear she was ether adopted or a foster child. but the look on that socialite woman 's face said it. it bothered her cause those two were raised close together.




again it's all in how you view it. and that was alos the reason this show made big deal out of iris and barry making out in joe's house when they know damn well when you have date you go out, when you have room mates and want absolute privacy . yeah the fans base took it in humore when Joe said yep barry time to move out. but in some weird level joe is little bothered buy it he knows the deal but he did raise them both from elementary school.

he know but some iccky ness still lingers. the writers knew and they put that in the show with that which why barry moved in with cisco. it's not an esy to brush off or avoid. they knew it would be thing as some are bother by it even people that know the situation and live init like joe. and he's bothered by it to small degree.

More like he doesn't to keep feeling like he interrupting their private and be icked by it too.

this kida why they shouldn't made barry family an no sibliing's on ether partents side or any other famliy like aunt or cosin thing.

it was just weird set up and not smart. and you two would even be debating with others.

It's all in how you veiw things and people are different with views. this isn't uncommon.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Actually it is incest. Barry grew up next to her in the same house. They both call Joe dad. Barry is adopted by Joe.

 

[Dr Lee]

Was Barry actually 'adopted' or was Joe given 'guardianship', because (unless i'm completely wrong) they're two different things... aren't they?

 

[Kelly]

Was Barry actually 'adopted' or was Joe given 'guardianship', because (unless i'm completely wrong) they're two different things... aren't they?

Guardianship is a "legal" relationship only....there is no obligation as far as inheritance, etc.

As far as is it incestuous, that all depends on the jurisdiction it is in....states differ.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

1) Barry liked Iris before they moved in the same house.
2) They don't share a blood relation.
3) Joe raised him to be a man, and Barry loves him for it, but Henry has always been Barry's father. Even from inside Iron Heights.
4) Barry and Iris are two grown-ass consenting adults.They're also best friends and have been since grade school.
5) Caitlyn and Barry are fun to think about, but that's where it stops.

 

[Web-Head]

Might have to re watch episode 9 before next week since it's been so long

 

[Avenging Angel]

On the official DVD box of Season 2 it states "his adoptive family." Why would Warner Brothers allow that if it wasn't true?

 

[zenith16]

lol oh wow this has taken on a life of it own. why writers Refuse to allow heroes to have an Aunt, uncles and more importantly "God parrents" who's buddies of your parents from ether side, from high school or college and university or even a place of work is beyond me.


They always want controversy in everything and look at the arguments to justify on both sides. Even after having even joe having a bit of ick reaction to it and say yeah barry "move out" And Barry was at Cisco all this season for it. there may have been giggles there ..but there was reason for it him being weirded out.

Joe to some degree was bothered and I stated what happened in Gotham the show over the same issue with villain in the same situation. again it all how you view things and it backed up by what kelly said it's in how "states" view it too. You adopt a kid technically they are your family blood or not, even if they don't have their name changed, they are your family. you made that chose.

they adopted him and Joe and Barry over push the father thing. Joe see's Barry as his son regardless of blood ,he see him as his son.

Barry does call joe by his first name and yes we all know he know his dad who has passed away may he rest in peace . and still answer his name Allen but Barry himself tells people he meet's like spivot that joe's is his dad , not guardian. Dad.

And there's what avenging angel put up just now . the writers are the DCtv universe know there's an ick factor. but sadly like other writers of the current day(and not stan lee's or Roy thomas's), they seem to be attracted to controversy, even when they show their own characters being slightly disturbed by it. lol it's pointless to defend it .

they know this would cause weirdness .



it's like how the writers seem to avoid court trial's or the heroes should know that buying drugs will have your case against the villain of the week your trying to catch in a sting will be thrown out, if your not a cop like what happened with diggle and thea. And when people from audience know better then the character's in the show there's a problem.



Seriously they over Romanticize the heroes having no other family too much. It's not possible,for every one of them to be like that. Barry couldn't have had "god parents "? of all things. Really?

that's a freaking rarity

Even Bruce Wayne still had an older cousin that answered the name Wayne which was married to the former batwoman from the cain family line and she ran or runs the Dc agency spiral. yeah he was raise by Alfred or in most case' in the books himself. but there were still relatives in another near by city. .

 

[metaphysician]

I wouldn't say its actual incest, its just. . . awkward and slightly squicky, given how they framed things in the first season. Everybody was sure trying to act like they were all family, and when you do that, it just puts a certain tone to shifting things in a romantic direction.

 

[Kelly]

Yeah, but in the first season, you also got the strong impression from Barry that he wanted more from Iris, as in acting like best buddies, but REALLY wanting more, at least I got that....

 

[Osiris-Rex]

‘The Flash,’ ‘Supergirl’ Musical Crossover Will Air in March. The tuneful crossover will begin at the end of the Mar. 20 episode of “Supergirl,” but the main vocal action will take place in the Mar. 21 episode of “The Flash.”

That episode, entitled “Duet,” will be directed by Dermott Downs and will feature singing performances from Grant Gustin, Melissa Benoist, Jesse L. Martin, Victor Garber, Carlos Valdes, Jeremy Jordan, and John Barrowman. David Harewood and Chris Wood will have non-singing guest appearances in the episode.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/the-...te-1201965071/

 

[Dr Lee]

it's a major dropped ball that they're not going to have Chyler even appear... she's got a bloody good voice and the relationship between Alex & Kara is probably the biggest lynchpin of the whole show IMHO.

Glad Jeremy is singing, dude has a hell of a voice.

 

[Sithborg]

Barrowman is going to be singing on the Flash part? My god...

We don't know if Chyler will sing on the Supergirl portion or not.

 

[Pennywise]

Should be an interesting crossover. Not a fan of musicals, but I will definitely tune in.

 

[Kelly]

Barrowman is going to be singing on the Flash part? My god...

We don't know if Chyler will sing on the Supergirl portion or not.

The way its being described, Supergirl's portion is very much like the first crossover.....last few seconds of the episode. :/

 

[zenith16]

called it.





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When Gypsy arrives on The Flash, Cisco Ramon may just learn a thing or two about the way his own powers work.




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When Gypsy arrives on “The Flash,” Cisco “Vibe” Ramon may just learn a thing or two about the way his own powers work. Speaking to Entertainment Weekly, executive producer Aaron Helbing teased that Cisco’s powers will continue to grow as Season 3 moves forward, and that will be thanks to Gypsy.
“We’re going to see Cisco really realize what he can do,” Helbing explained.

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The report then refers to Gypsy as a “fellow Viber,” which suggests that the character will have powers similar to — if not the same as — Cisco’s. To add to that, Helbing went on to say, “Gypsy is a very formidable adversary. He never realized the extent of his powers, and because of seeing Gypsy, he’s going to become more and more in tune with his powers and what he can do, whether it’s crossing dimensions or opening breaches much faster and quicker. He’s going to be building confidence, and that’ll definitely play into the rest of the season of helping Barry and the team stop Savitar from killing Iris.”

During a Fan Feast Q&A in December, “The Flash” star Carlos Valdes — who plays Cisco — also hinted that Gypsy will teach his character more about his powers. “She is going to be coming in our world and Vibe will definitely get to learn some new skills as part of getting to know her. So I’m excited to see how that plays out,” he shared.
What’s more, earlier this month, Helbing teased that the two would be “very strong” adversaries, but added that Cisco will also find that she is “someone he can’t stop thinking about.” This also seems to suggest that Cisco may develop romantic feelings for Gypsy along the way, though that idea is implicit rather than explicit here.

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Created by Gerry Conway and Chuck Patton, Gypsy, aka Cindy Reynolds, was introduced in 1984’s “Justice League of America Annual” #2, the same issue in which Vibe debuted. Part of the Justice League Detroit team assembled by Aquaman following the destruction of the Justice League Satellite, Gypsy possesses the ability to cast illusions, permitting her to blend into the background and effectively become invisible. She can also project frightening images from the minds of opponents.
Airing Tuesdays at 8 p.m. ET/PT on The CW, “The Flash” stars Grant Gustin, Candice Patton, Danielle Panabaker, Carlos Valdes, Tom Cavanagh, Jesse L. Martin and Keiynan Lonsdale. “The Flash” returns on January 24

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[Dark Raven]

Barrowman may have a good singing voice, but does taking part in the musical really fit either his character (who is rather dark) or where his plotline is at the moment (he's in the past somehow in Legends of Tomorrow)?

 

[Slade W]

It might be a Malcolm from an alternate earth. Maybe Deathstroke will turn up and dance.

 

[Avenging Angel]

I feel like the musical episode is going to be so camp with Barrowman involved. I don't know if Danielle is going to be involved.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well, normal Barrowman might make it camp. But the way Barrowman plays Merlyn isn't ever camp, even though he's rather camp in real life.

 

[Herolee10]

This may be a unpopular opinion to some people but I kind of wish that this show had taken a page from Arrow's book by removing Iris from this show in favor to keep Patty on.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Iris's character, it's just that I find her so boring and one dimensional at times and feel like there's more potential for Patty as both a character and romantic partner to Barry for this show.

Plus, you wouldn't have to worry about people finding their pairing to be potentially icky because of the whole adoptive family thing that Barry has with Iris and Joe.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I could go either way with the Iris/Patty thing, Shantel was great and it's a shame to not have her on the show anymore, her chemistry with the cast, Grant especially was fantastic, but I do give the writers credit for sticking to their course, something that in hindsight Arrow should've done. I'd hate to see Patty become another Felicity, even if it is a somewhat irrational fear considering the different showrunners.

 

[Paradox1]

I would favor Iris over Patty, I just think Candice has more range as an actress. I also feel her on screen chemistry with Grant couldn't be much better at this point.

 

[Halnbarry]

Maybe I'm partial to Iris because she reminds me of one of my friends, but removing her like they did with Laurel would feel wrong. It's not so much because they're canon love interests as much as it leaves a void in their family dynamics with their fathers and siblings. With Sara gone from Arrow it's not so much a problem, but Joe and Wally without Iris would leave a void. Then again I find Barry without parents a dumb creative decision. I get it writer's don't like to write parents with kids and they certainly don't like to write about characters with parents. They like mentors, they like foster families and long lost siblings because it means that life time relationships won't tie you down, or hold you back, or some garbage. You can see it with how much they failed with Henry Allen, but succeeded with Joe.

Some would argue Wally without Iris would give him more focus, but it could also make him lose his way. I do think Iris has lost her way a bit being Barry's cheerleader, but people didn't like her being out of the loop either so instead of going kill happy on her, or putting on her on bus yet, I'm hopeful they'll find focus for her in this last half of the season even if it's not journalist since they can't be bothered to do that on Supergirl anymore.

 

[Halnbarry]

As for Patty, I swear I'm the only one who finds her grating, but that's an actual unpopular opinion from what I gather here. People love their forced, spunky, chipper, blonde who quotes Monty Python for some reason. On paper she should be perfect for Barry, in practice she's not.

I think Barry needs a levelheaded partner, like Joe, but not paternal. Iris is the best candidate. Yeah the showrunners shot themselves in the foot making her his foster sister, but he only lived with her from eleven years on and never warmed into a sibling dynamic with her as he had for Joe as his dad, but it's not uncommon for in-laws to develop those bonds in spite of what sitcoms portray otherwise.

Caitlin feels more like a good friend who happens to be female. I don't suppose they can introduce a Jenny come lately that's the best ultimate love interest yet. They still have Daphne Dean and Fiona Webb (but she's crazy) if Barry and Iris should take a break.

As much as I had my reserves for Patty coming on the show as Barry's love interest, I was excited to get another female character, but she never redeemed herself for me and I felt like they were trying to make her likable, but it was forced. Every time she almost acted okay she'd kill that good will for me.

When I was younger I thought it odd that none of the big vigilante superheroes had a female cop love interest that would cause the appropriate secret identity, rule of law conflict, but the showrunners killed that concept with me when they made Patty a trigger happy cop with an angsty backstory that would give her a personal vendetta against perps. I've noticed that these shows have a hard time writing journalist, but love their cop characters and yet they showed Patty as one of the worst ones. CCPD need to run more background checks seriously.

At least Jessie warmed up to me eventually despite some of the problems I had with her. They actually convinced me Wally and Jessie would work better than Wally and Linda, but it's doomed because of cross dimensional barriers. It also helps that this Jessie is not Jessie Chambers who I see with Wally platonically and they dropped the ball on Linda and have a lot to fix with her.