The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 9

[zenith16]

I wish there was an anniversary episode to celebrate 60 years of Barry Allen by adapting his first comic appearance where he fought the World's Slowest Man named the Turtle Man!

yeah saldy he's dead and was overly creepy. they used the guy from battle star galactica and show up in gene rodden berry Andromeda, and who had his on cop show in Canada called the bridge.



ok just got this I don't like the words they used (war, it should just be battle or fight ) but i'll ignore it.






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Someone's getting ready to face off against the speed god.




[FONT=&quot]Kid Flash Actor Reveals Details on His Training & Upcoming War with Savitar

The Flash fans know that the show has two main Speedsters that can’t be overlooked. There’s the original Scarlet Speedster, Barry Allen, who’s the titular…Read more

The Flash fans know that the show has two main Speedsters that can’t be overlooked. There’s the original Scarlet Speedster, Barry Allen, who’s the titular hero. And then there’s Wally West, a.k.a. Kid Flash, who also happens to be Iris West’s brother.
Technically, the show isn’t really focused on drama compared to battling off sinisters, seeing Barry mess with time in so many ways, and letting us see the development between Barry and Iris. And from the looks of it, Kid Flash’s overall role in The Flash will play up on the heroics, especially with Savitar’s prophecies looming in the horizon.
Speaking with CBR, Kid Flash actor Keiynan Lonsdale touched on some of the things that his character will be diving in, including some pretty cool training and his dealings with Savitar.
Kid Flash has already come far from being Joe’s unknown son and Iris’s brother. Since the family has reunited, Wally’s inclusion to the team has brought with it a second Speedster to the team, thanks to the many times that he’s gotten his speed.
For this season, it seems like we’ll be seeing Kid Flash’s training continue. However, this will be different from when we first saw Barry running at the speed of light while also trying to keep out of sight as The Streak.

“He is proud. Wally doesn’t want to hide these powers at all. He’s so into them. He likes the attention. Barry is a little more modest when it comes to that. Wally is down for it. If people want to chant his name or be his fans, he’s totally cool with that.”
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We’ve seen that in the premiere episode of the second half of the season, after he was able to capture Plunder. Still, that doesn’t make him vulnerable from doubting his powers, especially since Barry’s been the pedestal for what it takes to be a good speedster—though a little ironic if you ask me since he’s done a lot of damage, time travel-wise.
Perhaps one other place that we’ll see Kid Flash weighing in so much would be in the fight against Savitar. Not only are they up against a speed god, but his only sister is now being threatened for dead.

“He’s grown so close to this new family that it’s always such a shock and such a disappointment for him when they are constantly being threatened. With this, it’s not just another threat. It’s constantly that thing of not knowing what you can do to help. Even though he now has these powers, can he help? That’s what is weighing on his mind right now.”
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The Flash airs every Tuesdays, 8pm on The CW.

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[zenith16]

yeah I know this image look like static shockmore then black lighting
the article may may think they are one and the same for some weird reason.
but more importantly it's as I expect most dc show have no other place to go other then the cw it seems


well now that this is happening I wounder if he be put getting his powers from the time of the first patical excelleration?


ok so that might take frequence's spot /time slot. now vamp diaries time slot should be for the titans /

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[FONT=&quot]Report: Berlanti's BLACK LIGHTNING Moving From Fox to THE CW
The veteran Justice Leaguer is reportedly joining his DC colleagues.[/FONT]
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Updated 2/2/2017: Deadline is reporting that Greg Berlanti’s Black Lightning, based on the DC Comic book character that was originally in development at Fox, is moving with the likely destination being the CW, the home of the ‘Berlanti-verse’ DC shows Arrow, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow and Supergirl.
The online trade said negotiations are still underway but that a pilot order at the CW is likely.
Fox reportedly decided to pass on the show due to its already crowded comic book/genre line-up that includes Gotham and Lucifer and will be joined in the fall by the Matt Nix untitled X-Men series in development.

While the focus of the series is on titular character Jefferson Pierce, his daughters are also main characters – an area the younger-skewing CW would likely emphasize. In the comic books, his daughters are the superheroes Thunder (Anissa) and Lightning (Jennifer).
The official description of the series reads: “He made his choice: He hung up the suit and his secret identity years ago, but with a daughter hell-bent on justice and a star student being recruited by a local gang, he’ll be pulled back into the fight as the wanted vigilante and DC legend Black Lightning.”
The husband-and-wife duo Salim and Mara Brock Akli are writing and executive producing.

Original story 9/18/2016: Greg Berlanti's proposed Black Lightning TV series has landed a pilot commitment through Fox, according to Variety. Berlanti will reportedly produce the pilot alongside Sarah Schechter, with husband-and-wife duo Salim and Mara Brock Akli writing.
The story is said to focus on an older, retired version of Jefferson Pierce, A.K.A. Black Lightning, who is pulled out of retirement when his as-yet-unnamed daughter starts seeking justice.
Fox also recently commited to a pilot based in Marvel's X-Men universe, and airs Gotham, based on the world of Batman, as well as Lucifer, based on the Vertigo title.
No release date or cast has been announced for the purported project.

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[Avenging Angel]

Maybe it's using the term in a colloquial sense, not a legal sense?

That being said, the writers of the show almost certainly were not in charge of writing something on the DVD box.

It's also used in the official bio cards released by the CW back in 2014. Said in Barry's and Joe's biographies.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I don't think Wally is going to save Iris.

I think Barry, Jay, Wally, and Jesse are going to save Iris.

 

[Thome216]

Call it a team effort.

 

[Mike Murdock]

It's also used in the official bio cards released by the CW back in 2014. Said in Barry's and Joe's biographies.

My answer applies just as strongly to that.

 

[Avenging Angel]

It still refutes your answer.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Call it a team effort.

I can see it now. 4 Speedsters vs the God of Motion. That has the makings of an epic 2 episode battle.

Please Andrew, make this happen. You and Geoff are the only ones that can pull this off.

 

[Halnbarry]

It still refutes your answer.

Not really.

There's two explanations. The marketing department uses the phrase adoption because it has a better ring to it than foster, because for whatever reason they rarely use that phrase in most media about orphans. It's almost always wards and adopted because the foster care system has been given a bad rep in real life because of some bad people abusing it.

Perhaps they had planned to make Barry adopted, but realized it would kill any possibilities for a future romance with Iris and dropped it by the time the pilot was written. I think that's possible. Maybe they had wanted to prevent a romance altogether because they wanted Barry as a player who had a new woman all the time like Ollie and have him end up with whoever would be the Felicity equivalent, like Caitlin who happens to be another character plucked out of Firestorm to possibly supplant the franchise love interest. Maybe they wanted to prevent an Ollie/Laurel situation by taking Iris off the table completely. Better they changed their mind in the long run.

Either way the adoption's no longer in the show, just on the marketing (it's pithier and no oversight) and if you think the marketing's more canon than what's stated on the show then I don't know what to tell you.

Really if the showrunner's thought thing's through, Joe would have been Barry's stepdad making Henry's supposed murder of Nora have a jealousy angle (all lies of course) and Ira West would have been Iris's father who with his wife went to check on Barry's household when strange lights happened and they crashed and Eobard took over his body and the mother died. Years later Ira/Eobard would have founded Star Labs and the particle accelerator. He and Iris would be estranged, a process that shifted since the night of her mother's death, which coincided with Barry's mother's murder making the two linked by coincidence and a mystery that she's investigating independent of Barry. Iris probably got close to her aunts and uncles, which brings Wally into the mix as a cousin. Maybe without Harrison Wells we'd have a real Johnny Chambers, or the twist that he's the evil counterpart and bypass the Jay Garrick/Hunter Zolomon twist in season 2.

 

[zenith16]

Not really.

There's two explanations. The marketing department uses the phrase adoption because it has a better ring to it than foster, because for whatever reason they rarely use that phrase in most media about orphans. It's almost always wards and adopted because the foster care system has been given a bad rep in real life because of some bad people abusing it.

Perhaps they had planned to make Barry adopted, but realized it would kill any possibilities for a future romance with Iris and dropped it by the time the pilot was written. I think that's possible.

don't worry the rest of what you said is still important. but I wanted to address this. since the repeating and airing of Adam west's portrail of batman with Bert ward's as Robbin . the word term and "ward" hasn't been used on tv since the 60's on.


how ever foster kids has been showing alot in the 2000's and are even main characters
one in the FBI psychic played vivaca A fox in the show missing where she played agent scott last name. one of the Ashmore brothers when he was still in20's show up there as a department of justice Deep cover agent for the last season there too. I think it was Aron who'ss doing kill Joys now.


currently there the Show NCIS L.A. of which star chris O'Donnel who plays agent G Callen who's whole life revolves about his finding out about his blood relatives are and he was in foster care kid most of his life and the only people he see as his family are his operations manager Henriette (hHetty for short )Lang , that watched over him since he was in foster care cause his mother worked for her when they both cia. And the rest of his current day team.



the other place I think is Chicago PD with Sophia Bush's character detective officer Lindsey who was messed by her mother as teen and then detective Sergent hoite or is voite they say it like "H" took her in as teen and she be came cop/ detective under his leader ship in that show in the intelligence unite of that though that show act like the mob then any police or intelligence show.

and most of the character in the show of chicago PD always push the fact of how he's her father or father figure and he is an intimidating thing when ever someone want's to date her in that freaking show.

and lastly there's the show major crime's with the police captain whos actress was the lady that played the president from the show battle star Galactica that was thing for most people in 2000's that's currently on that show of major crimes .
She has a kid inthat she taking care of in foster care and is in the process of fully adopting him, but he may keep his last name.




I'm sure there more show with foster care kids mentioned .


so far as far the word "ward "isn't used. it's just that only time I've seen it was only ever Adam west's batman, where north American tv is involved. via repeats. I haven't seen it used since in anything current.

But may be you can help out with that.



And foster care kids: this is still being used on current tv maybe not by the flsh writers or any of dctv but I've noticed they don't care for certain details minus making poor joe freaking out or feeling sick due to iris


most recently when she was distracting Joe for her brother wally to take joe's case file on a gun trafficker . when iris gave the impression of expanding her family . And that came to joe that she might have been pregnant his reaction was a weird disturbance in Joe's mental force.

which is his the second time beside's them making out on his couch during date of their and then iris was pushing Barry to talk to Joe that made joe even more uncomfortable and then he told barry to move out due to iris's pushing.

yeah they may be grown and he was also supportive of telling Barry to go after iris at one point. But the show's writers on the cw have thing thing with making characters and their main shows characters two faced.

Joe's showing signs of being bothered to degree. cause he does see barry as a son he raised next to her . and it show up strongly here.


And one last I wanted to put out for you all cause said this many times but I'm sure it's registers with some people there part in both Canada and in certain of the states that ven if you are adopted if that kid want to keep his family they are allowed to freaking keep it.

I guess I only show the Canadian side. as don't anything you tube for the states. but here itis via Heritage canada below.

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Heritage Minutes: Orphans

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A French Canadian family adopts Irish children orphaned during their voyage to Canada in the 1850s.

source: Historica Canada



^^is was big deal where adoption is involved

I just want to note these things

 

[Halnbarry]

What I specifically mean is ward as in ward of the state. It's not common anymore in mainstream tv and movies, but they like to use the trope in comic books very recently like Batman (I think they might have changed it to Alfred adopting him, but it's never spelled out) Daredevil (I'm sure they changed it on Netflix, but I don't know). It's only recently that Barry was established as foster child in comics and tv. Very recent because he used to have both of his parents and even Geoff John's who orphaned him couldn't be damned to explain who raised him. Problem with the source material not wanting their would be superhero to have a family to put a stop to vigilante shenanigans. I do think, the showrunners were hesitant to actually have Barry adopted, but the marketing thought adopted sounded better than foster because they don't want Joe to look bad not because it wouldn't give Barry an interesting backstory. For the shows purpose he's not legally adopted by Joe. It would seem Joe thinks of Barry as a son and Barry him as a dad, but he never developed the same idea of Iris as a sister because they only grew up together in the same house for six years. True story, my family took in one of my brother's friend's for almost three years because his parents were having a breakdown in marriage (his twin brother boarded with another friend's family), he went on family vacations with us too, my sister never went from crush on him to brother and probably wouldn't have if three more years have been added on to max out Barry's time at Joe's. I don't think Barry's crush ever changed to sibling bond. I don't think Iris stopped seeing him as friend who had nowhere else to go. I've never got the vibe to suggest she saw him like a brother. Just a friend until she was open to dating him.

As for Joe and his reaction to Barry and Iris. Yes the writers are wishy-washy because I don't know that they watch all episodes to understand the full picture. They might have thought it cute to address what fans who assume they're adopted siblings complain about, but all it did was add fuel to their fire. I also think Joe not being on board with them is because I don't know about you, but what father wants to see their daughter kissing a guy at all in their home (my father who also watches the show certainly thought Iris was being unreasonable in that regard, but then he hates everything Iris does, he'd get along here) and perhaps Joe's not ready to be a grandfather in spite of joking about it earlier. It's interpretative. Yes someone who clings to the Barry and Iris are definitely siblings because they lived together for six years would think Joe's voicing their opinion. I think it's similar to when Joe was uneasy with Iris dating Eddie. Sure he had the partner excuse, but he still found the talk about their relationship too much info. He's uneasy with Barry dating her as well because father's are uneasy with their daughters getting chummy with men initially. Notice Joe had no problem with Barry dating Patty and voicing their problems in the relationship. He did joke with the what's with you guys dating my partners, but gave Barry a listening ear and advice than he did Iris with Eddie. Joe has more of distant investment with Barry's love life that he doesn't with his daughter. That could improve as he becomes his in-law. It remains to be seen how he'll feel about Wally when he finds a steady girlfriend.

Also thanks for the video. It happens that my great-great grandfather (who's probably Irish, but who knows) was adopted by French Canadians. You don't have to take my word for it, but it's not a high claim to make. Both sides of my mother's family came from Canada in fact. Too bad they didn't think about their descendant's future's being stuck as U.S. citizens in this day in age where the immigration process is Canada is worse then the U.S. Not saying I want to leave the U.S., or am able to, but dual citizenship would be nice.

 

[Mike Murdock]

It still refutes your answer.

No it doesn't since it's not written by the writers and could still be using adopted in a colloquial sense as opposed to a legal one.

 

[KidFlash6969]

yeah I know this image look like static shockmore then black lighting
the article may may think they are one and the same for some weird reason.
but more importantly it's as I expect most dc show have no other place to go other then the cw it seems


well now that this is happening I wounder if he be put getting his powers from the time of the first patical excelleration?


ok so that might take frequence's spot /time slot. now vamp diaries time slot should be for the titans /

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Excited for this! Hopefully its on Sunday night so I got a DC show to watch every night during the week (I have to watch them the next day off the CW app)

Do you think this is the new CW show Geoff Johns has been teasing? I was hoping it would be a Titans show (not that I'm complaining I love Black Lightning and would love this to be a pseudo Outsiders tv show)

 

[famicommander]

1. Johns never teased a new "CW" show. He just teased a new DC show in general. Here is the original tweet

More #DCTV @CW_TheFlash @CW_Arrow @Gotham @TheCW_Legends @LuciferonFOX @TheCWSupergirl and many more! One which will be announced soon...

Notice he mentioned Lucifer and Gotham?

2. Black Lightning was already public knowledge at the time he made the tease. We just thought it would end up at Fox rather than CW.

 

[KidFlash6969]

1. Johns never teased a new "CW" show. He just teased a new DC show in general. Here is the original tweet

Notice he mentioned Lucifer and Gotham?

2. Black Lightning was already public knowledge at the time he made the tease. We just thought it would end up at Fox rather than CW.

True true. Really hoping for Titans.. I know its a favorite of both Geoff Johns and Andrew Kreisberg

 

[famicommander]

I would guess that whatever's coming isn't coming to CW, just based on the sheer volume of DC shows they have coupled with their limited number of timeslots (at least 2-3 hours per week of the CW's 10 hours go to CBS shows).

But then again, I would absolutely not have predicted that CW would take Black Lightning (even if it's still in the pilot stages).

 

[Lencho01]

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[Lencho01]

‘The Flash': Keiynan Lonsdale on Kid Flash Facing Savitar & Reuniting with Jesse Quick

 

[Thome216]

Aaand not airing tonight. Stupid sports...

 

[Rorschach2012]

I was really let down by Mirror Master. It took three seasons to get him and he was a bit of a disappointment. I want the costume when he returns

 

[antsman41]

It aired tonight...

Ah, HR is stealing this show.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Anyone catch the note on the grease board that said something to the effect of

"Music Meister book is now a best seller"

A shout-out to the upcoming musical episode I guess.

 

[stillanerd]

I've been thinking about this since the mid-season started, and after last episode, I'm now more than convinced. It's very obvious Iris West will not be killed by Savitar in the season finale. But do you know I think will be instead?

Joe West.

Just look at his current situation right now. He's got a great relationship with Barry, Iris, and Wally. He's got himself a new girlfriend in the DA. He's destined, in the future, to receive an award from the Central City for outstanding public service, or some such. He's one happy, content man. But he also now knows Iris may die at the hands of Savitar in a few months time. Doesn't that just scream, "This character will sacrifice his own life to save his daughter?"

And look how Joe's possible death could fit into next season? It affects Barry because, once again, he's lost another father figure because "he wasn't fast enough." It affects Iris, and possibly her relationship with Barry, because she could have survivor's guilt over how she was the one who was supposed to have died. It definitely affects Wally as both his parents are now gone, and he could slide right back into being angry and feeling alone. Also Joe West isn't just Barry surrogate dad, he's Team Flash's surrogate dad, the moral compass of the group. Thus the dramatic question is how can Team Flash go forward without Joe?

It also makes sense from a practical standpoint. Look at Barry support system: he's got Iris, Wally, Joe, Cisco, Caitlin, JR, and Julian, all of whom know his secret identity. That's way too many members on Team Flash, which makes things easier for Barry. Julian himself not only is another scientist, he, like Joe, is also a contact within the CCPD with a penchant for rules. Iris is now the most important person in Barry's life, something Joe flat-out admits in last nights episode. Like it or not, the writers have made Joe rather superfluous.

Also, remember how last season Barry was warned by Earth-2 Wells not to tell anyone about their dopplegangers from Earth-2, because then they'll wind up being more like them? Well, look what's happening: Barry and Iris are practically married. Cisco is embracing and growing in the use of his Vibe powers, a more heroic version of Reverb. Caitlin trying not become Killer Frost. And what happened to Earth-2 Joe? That's right, he died trying to save Iris.

 

[antsman41]

They better not kill him, he along with Tom [HR/Harry] are carrying the emotion and comedy of this show.

 

[Dr Lee]

Getting a little tired of each season killing off a main character... the writers are being lazy with doing this all the time. hoping the twist isn't just that Iris doesn't die.... but that no one actually dies this season (Bar Savitar that is)