The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 9

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FLASH Facts: Barry Allen

FLASH Facts: Iris West

FLASH Facts: The Thawne Family And The Reverse Flashes

FLASH Facts: Team Flash

FLASH Facts: Atom Smasher

FLASH Facts: Jay Garrick

FLASH Facts: Captain Cold

FLASH Facts: Firestorm

FLASH Facts: Linda Park

FLASH Facts: Earth-2

FLASH Facts: Gorilla Grodd

FLASH Facts: Vandal Savage

FLASH Facts: Wally West Part 1

FLASH Facts: Wally West Part 2

FLASH Facts: The Turtle

FLASH Facts: Tina McGee and Patty Spivot

FLASH Facts: Tar Pit

FLASH Facts: Deadshot

FLASH Facts: Velocity 9

FLASH Facts: King Shark

FLASH Facts: Trajectory

FLASH Facts: Pied Piper

FLASH Facts: Griffin

FLASH Facts: Rupture

FLASH Facts: The Speed Force

FLASH Facts: Rival

FLASH Facts: Magenta

FLASH Facts: Mirror Master

FLASH Facts: Sidekicks

FLASH Facts: Alchemy

FLASH Facts: Invasion!

FLASH Facts: Trickster

FLASH Facts: Plunder

FLASH Facts: Gypsy

FLASH Facts: The Assassination Of Iris West

FLASH Facts: Jesse Quick

 

[Herolee10]

 

[ZIPBAGS]

Sad..but true. I just not thrilled with both Wally and Jesse being speedsters. It's too early in Flash's career for them to be around. I one respect Jesse is on E2..so it's not a big deal, but having Wally and then they keep saying how he is faster than Barry at this point in his training.

 

[Pennywise]

Yeah, they should done certain things differently. Oh, well!

 

[zenith16]

Another Flash Zooms into Central City in The Flash Episode 14

16 hours ago |

Another Flash zooms into Central City, but this time he calls himself The Accelerated Man and he originates from Earth-19. The 14th episode of CW's The Flash is entitled "Attack on Central City," but there is no telling as of yet whether this speedster is coming in as friend or foe.
The Accelerated Man basically has the same powers as Barry Allen (Grant Gustin). He can run faster than the speed of sound and light, can heal himself at a quick rate, and can vibrate himself through solid objects. Comic history though has placed him in an alternative earth where technology has evolved quite differently. Earth-19 is more a mixture of steampunk and H.G.Welles-like science-fiction; robots may walk stiffly down the road but electricity hasn't been invented yet.
The Accelerated Man is the nth version of a Flash to appear in the show. Previous and current versions have Kid Flash (Keynan Lonsdale), The Flash of Earth-3 aka Jay Garrick (John Wesley Shipp), the evil Reverse-Flash (Matt Letscher), and the counterfeit Flash of Earth-2 (Teddy Sears). Some of them have been Earth-1 Flash's fastest friends, while others have been his deadliest foes.
On which side will The Accelerated Man fall? Barry Allen has to know ASAP. Betrayals in the past have hurt him pretty deeply.
"The Attack on Central City" will air on February 14 at the CW. It will be the14th episode of the third season of The Flash.


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[WeatherWizard99]

am I the only one having an hard time believing savitar is human !?

just look at the size of him ... and the way his mouth opens ... and the apparently hollow ribcage under his neck ...

I know what I am about to suggest is rather crazy ... but could he be a robot created by barry instead of barry himself like some theories suggest !? it would fit with those theories and solve the why would barry kill iris ? problem ...

this could be explained as barry building savitar so that he could retire and be with iris without worrying about the city before the plan backfires on him ... also explains the meaning of his message to rip ... and fits with barry having the brains to build gideon

 

[Mask&Cape]

Sad..but true. I just not thrilled with both Wally and Jesse being speedsters. It's too early in Flash's career for them to be around. I one respect Jesse is on E2..so it's not a big deal, but having Wally and then they keep saying how he is faster than Barry at this point in his training.

I agree. Barry already had too much support with Star Labs, and three seasons of speedsters being the big bad.

am I the only one having an hard time believing savitar is human !?

just look at the size of him ... and the way his mouth opens ... and the apparently hollow ribcage under his neck ...

I know what I am about to suggest is rather crazy ... but could he be a robot created by barry instead of barry himself like some theories suggest !? it would fit with those theories and solve the why would barry kill iris ? problem ...

this could be explained as barry building savitar so that he could retire and be with iris without worrying about the city before the plan backfires on him ... also explains the meaning of his message to rip ... and fits with barry having the brains to build gideon

Do you mean human as in he is going to be revealed as someone's alter ego?

I hadn't considered that, because they seemed to make it clear he was just Savatar. It doesn't make sense for him to be that powerful and that arrogant, but yet to hiding out in Central City as a man.

 

[zenith16]

I agree. Barry already had too much support with Star Labs, and three seasons of speedsters being the big bad.



Do you mean human as in he is going to be revealed as someone's alter ego?

I hadn't considered that, because they seemed to make it clear he was just Savatar. It doesn't make sense for him to be that powerful and that arrogant, but yet to hiding out in Central City as a man.

he said Barry put him in there and he was getting revenge. which is another reason it's not good when the villains know who you are. to me it mean's that barry had run in with him at some point and trapped him in that crystal and some how for some weird reason it was sent into the past of Egypt of all places. with that case that holds the crystal where Julian found it on his expeditions . like barrys mistake as well yeah I'll send inot the past where an archologist will find it later and it'll come back an haunt me at a point when don't know why. lol why is the sun never option til the last point when your freid with people with ship that can do that ?


It's very likely savatar is human . I don't think Barry created him as robot life form or anything artificial. he may have created him in the sense of villain that's chasing him now . but it's very possible savatar was human.

 

[Mask&Cape]

he said Barry put him in there and he was getting revenge. which is another reason it's not good when the villains know who you are. to me it mean's that barry had run in with him at some point and trapped him in that crystal and some how for some weird reason it was sent into the past of Egypt of all places. with that case that holds the crystal where Julian found it on his expeditions . like barrys mistake as well yeah I'll send inot the past where an archologist will find it later and it'll come back an haunt me at a point when don't know why. lol why is the sun never option til the last point when your freid with people with ship that can do that ?


It's very likely savatar is human . I don't think Barry created him as robot life form or anything artificial. he may have created him in the sense of villain that's chasing him now . but it's very possible savatar was human.

I should have explained myself better.

As I understand it Savatar WAS a human at some point, but I mean I haven't been considering that Savatar is hiding out in Central City as a human because he has moved beyond that. That he is just Savatar and can't look like anything else.

Didn't Savatar accuse future Flash of "trapping him" just before killing Iris? I thought he was referring to being captured inside the philosopher's stone.

Have I got that all wrong? Was that dialogue from an earlier encounter?

EDIT - Okay, I googled it and I am mistaken. Savatar said Barry "trapped" before going into the philosopher's stone.

However, isn't that what Avatar was referring to? That Flash locked him up in the stone/speed force?

Anyway, if Savatar does turn out to have an alter ego, I will be disappointed. I'd much prefer the Big Bad this season to be a monster Avatar is presented as rather than another guy they "never expected to be the villain".

Also, I next season should drop the speedster villains and bring in some Big Bad in smaller acs with different powers that are a challenge to Barry.

And even though I like Wally, Kid Flash has to to go. As other have said it was just too early in the series to give Barry a sidekick.

 

[zenith16]

I should have explained myself better.

As I understand it Savatar WAS a human at some point, but I mean I haven't been considering that Savatar is hiding out in Central City as a human because he has moved beyond that. That he is just Savatar and can't look like anything else.

Didn't Savatar accuse future Flash of "trapping him" just before killing Iris? I thought he was referring to being captured inside the philosopher's stone.

Have I got that all wrong? Was that dialogue from an earlier encounter?

EDIT - Okay, I googled it and I am mistaken. Savatar said Barry "trapped" before going into the philosopher's stone.

However, isn't that what Avatar was referring to? That Flash locked him up in the stone/speed force?

Anyway, if Savatar does turn out to have an alter ego, I will be disappointed. I'd much prefer the Big Bad this season to be a monster Avatar is presented as rather than another guy they "never expected to be the villain".

Also, I next season should drop the speedster villains and bring in some Big Bad in smaller acs with different powers that are a challenge to Barry.

And even though I like Wally, Kid Flash has to to go. As other have said it was just too early in the series to give Barry a sidekick.

I don't why they feel the need to make wally and hjame olsen arrogent and ego stiscal but it just seems like old habit from the comic's of current days.


but the show runner have reason for doing what they do cause alot of tv shows are finite with certain chose by both the writers mistakes or the networks and they may feel they can't wait to have be in his late30's to satify certain fans and they rushed and changed wally too age wise cause they didn't want him to be a teen but college student


the only answer to the problem is to create the live action titans tv show

with or with out nightwing. and as I said in the titans thread.
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Originally Posted by Sad Affleck
Safe to say this project is officially now dead. With the news that Nightwing is now a property that the film division is working on. Glad.

well not necessarily. 4 reasons
but alot can happen. one.

1)most of dc movies have been troubled of including batman of late sadly. I hope this isn't the case for Nightwing even though I feel he be better for tv in the titans . and actor that plays him will have long cretted carreer as him.


2) the movie of night falls apart due to creative differences . (which I hope doesn't happen) but this has been happening alot of late. I hope the director from the lego movies can pull it off . but he has difficult task.



3) there is room for night wing in both live action medium's. we've seen it happening with flash. So there's no reason for nightwing not to do it too. one in the movies where he's a solo act and on tv where he's on a team in thier 20's and teaching the teens with arsenal and wally west add inthe two other senor titans ETC .




4) if he just still no available & cause people at dc are being difficult, Arsenal has lead the titans next to night wing often and so has wonder woman's half sister Donna troy Troia.


There still ways to do the titan's you just have to not be a difficult person which I hope the dc executive keep an open mind on how to do this.

simple have the titan in the early to mid 20's and add in late teens as members for season 2 .

On to what happening tonight. They are still doing flash, but for those in canada you might not see it on your usual channel which is ctv.

So check out CTV 2 just in case. state side the flash will air as it should on the cw outlets of pix Etcetra.

And if you miss it (, cause you don't satellite or Fiber wire) you can all ways catch up with it on the much music's channel on the weekend .

 

[Mask&Cape]

I don't why they feel the need to make wally and hjame olsen arrogent and ego stiscal but it just seems like old habit from the comic's of current days.


but the show runner have reason for doing what they do cause alot of tv shows are finite with certain chose by both the writers mistakes or the networks and they may feel they can't wait to have be in his late30's to satify certain fans and they rushed and changed wally too age wise cause they didn't want him to be a teen but college student


the only answer to the problem is to create the live action titans tv show

Yes, apart from becoming Kid Flash too soon, Wally is also too old.

I understand what you mean by the show runners thinking they aren't going to be on air forever, but that is no reason to rush into anything.

The focus should be on Barry and the villains he encounters. And those villains should be a threat or challenge to The Flash. Having two or three heroes with the same powers lessens the threat of the bad guys.

Arrow has had way too many heroes running about too but were at least challenged by the fact that the villains had had armies behind them or as with this season some Big Bad who don't need minions.

Plus he extras characters on Arrow were better developed and served real purpose. Wally and Iris do not and Iris' selfish streak does not at all fit with having Joe (who is a great character) for a father. Just no attempt whatsoever has been made to make her a character or for her actions to have purpose.

And Olsen on Supergirl. The whining and moaning has to stop. General Lane summed him up correctly in season one as just a pathetic fanboy hanging not others greatness. In Season Two he is actually a bad, nasty person - he pressures Wyn in building him a suit and despite Olsen clearly not caring that Wyn almost died because of him the writers have Wyn running back to his side with Olsen having to face consequences.

 

[metaphysician]

I don't see any reason to think Savitar isn't human, or rather, wasn't human. He's probably not meaningfully human *now*, but that's not because he's a robot doppleganger. Its just that the man(?) who became Savitar has radically transformed himself. To steal from the RPG Aberrant, he's went through Chrysalis a *whole* bunch, and what came out the other end just happens to like cosplaying as the Shrike.

 

[Avenging Angel]

I don't think he's human but the show could make the obvious deduction.

 

[zenith16]

Yes, apart from becoming Kid Flash too soon, Wally is also too old.

I understand what you mean by the show runners thinking they aren't going to be on air forever, but that is no reason to rush into anything.

actually with how some networks have been of late that may have been a factor alot of networks these days have been so weird with shows or split personality with it. That may have cause this and some have show happen .but put them in bad spots to be cancelled. or they like one year and even if they are doing well to decent as they say they set them up to fall. Or make them have short season regardless even if it's their best show ever.

The focus should be on Barry and the villains he encounters. And those villains should be a threat or challenge to The Flash. Having two or three heroes with the same powers lessens the threat of the bad guys.

the show runners may also think they are saving money this way too. special effect wise. there are some thing they may not be able to do and sofar flash's team up's freom his lore of flalsh family have only made fans happy and benefited him.

Arrow has had way too many heroes running about too but were at least challenged by the fact that the villains had had armies behind them or as with this season some Big Bad who don't need minions.

no not all his villain's were good and Damien darhk is what brother blood should have been they just dropped brother bloods personality and habbit's from, the comics and titan animated series on darhk. and don't get me started count vertigo the other arrow villains they screwed up prior. the result are few when you actually look at it properly man

Plus he extras characters on Arrow were better developed and served real purpose. Wally and Iris do not and Iris' selfish streak does not at all fit with having Joe (who is a great character) for a father. Just no attempt whatsoever has been made to make her a character or for her actions to have purpose.

nah uh joe has suffered from bad habits him self as well from season 2 he blames others for things like that event with spivot to harry from earth 2 when he should have read her in when she started to suspect things .

and barry and the other of the starb labs team have shown selfishness and arrogance and serious stupidity three season straight where they should know better.
man I remeber a thread telling other this too. they've all show this and team arrow where I wanted pimp slap the taste out of the lot of them that should know better butthey picked all of olivers bad and worsted habbits. of all things. and season 3 Oliver was top dog where ego and selfishness was involved. there's a reason I dropped that after season 4.

and seeing that Joe's the detective and has the most authority over the other in team flash, it was his call and he made big speech/ deal about holding the criminal in star labs with out due process and then dropped it. which was very weird of him alloed barry to do so,me weird killing in season 2.

his crazy reactions at times which cause trouble some seasons. oh and when he caught in a lie he acted like oliver queen would, yet he can't stand Oliver as the arrow or other wise which put joe in the hypercritical zone. they have the same bad habits with secrets. yet he like dump on others.


no Joe's not as stable as people like to make him out to be and nether was diggle. I liked them at the start, they are cool brotha's (myself being black and bi raciall extend family from y dad's side) once .

but now & days they aren't stable or bright as they were made out to be. and writers made sure of that.

And Olsen on Supergirl. The whining and moaning has to stop. General Lane summed him up correctly in season one as just a pathetic fanboy hanging not others greatness. In Season Two he is actually a bad, nasty person - he pressures Wyn in building him a suit and despite Olsen clearly not caring that Wyn almost died because of him the writers have Wyn running back to his side with Olsen having to face consequences.

no james wasn't that, til this year. but as I said this bad writer's habit of this century where they think it's good personality trait and them(the characters ) not learning thing's from it when ruin their relation ships and more . which is baffling. (oh the excuse was it was forgiven and forgot so it's allowed to happen again. ) Cause writer like them to repeat the same bad habits. bahhhh .

 

[Lantern Venom]

Despite the over-reliance on Speedster villains, I still maintain that this is the greatest super hero TV show in history. Tonight was a high point for the series with 3 Speed Force heroes and two vibrational characters opening a multiverse breech to battle an army of superintelligent, giant gorillas. I never thought I would see a show attempt something so ambitious, let alone execute it so gloriously.

 

[zenith16]

Despite the over-reliance on Speedster villains, I still maintain that this is the greatest super hero TV show in history. Tonight was a high point for the series with 3 Speed Force heroes and two vibrational characters opening a multiverse breech to battle an army of superintelligent, giant gorillas. I never thought I would see a show attempt something so ambitious, let alone execute it so gloriously.

good points and well made they just have to be little more creative next season and yes they have to cutt down onthe speedster . if othert place even japan anime can do it with a speedster as hero then thse guys should be able to ot hire some from the books that still good writers or from bruce timms animated area that with or for him. they seem to still know what their doing onthe animated side and may be able to provide verity of ideas.

 

[famicommander]

Despite the over-reliance on Speedster villains, I still maintain that this is the greatest super hero TV show in history. Tonight was a high point for the series with 3 Speed Force heroes and two vibrational characters opening a multiverse breech to battle an army of superintelligent, giant gorillas. I never thought I would see a show attempt something so ambitious, let alone execute it so gloriously.

If you limit it to live action I'm inclined to agree that The Flash is the best ever, with an honorable mention to Jessica Jones and the classic Adam West Batman series.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Was Flash really taken out by darts AND dust in that Gorilla City ep?


Christ CW.

 

[Dr Lee]

literally yes and no....

Spoiler

yes Darts (lazy writing)... the dust wasn't the issue, it was the shockwave that hit him and put him off his stride, hence the trip & fall

 

[signalman]

MIRROR MASTER to return later this season.

http://www.cbr.com/mirror-master-the-flash/

 

[Mask&Cape]

I think it was a mistake to remove Barry's need to eat an excessive amount and the damage using his speed would do to his clothes and shoes.

They lost a great source for some comedy there.

Also, did the Star Labs explosion create all metahumans?

The Arrowverse has shown that there are other people with powers from before that, but are they metas or something else? Did the explosion simply create more and the others had just managed to keep a low profile?

And how far did the shockwave go? Did it create metas only in Central City?

 

[metaphysician]

We've had one confirmed metahuman who wasn't anywhere near Central City when the explosion happened. Other than that, so far all metahumans were in or near the place. So, its probably "metahumans happen elsewhere, but Central City is the epicenter." Whether they existed beforehand or not? Who knows, though the JSA clearly had several people with overt superhuman powers. Granted, Obsidian might have gotten his powers from a mystical source or a specific science accident.

 

[famicommander]

I think it was a mistake to remove Barry's need to eat an excessive amount and the damage using his speed would do to his clothes and shoes.

They lost a great source for some comedy there.

Also, did the Star Labs explosion create all metahumans?

The Arrowverse has shown that there are other people with powers from before that, but are they metas or something else? Did the explosion simply create more and the others had just managed to keep a low profile?

And how far did the shockwave go? Did it create metas only in Central City?

There are multiple sources of powers in the Arrowverse:
Particle accelerator explosion (metahumans)
Magic (Constantine, Vixen, etc)
alien biology (Supergirl, Martian Manhunter, etc)
cybernetic enhancement (Cyborg Superman, Deadshot)
genetic enhancement (Deathstroke and his super soldiers)
enchanted items (Hawks, Vandal Savage)
external advanced tech (the Atom, Mr Terrific)
divinity (Savitar, Manny the Angel)

We don't have explanations for how all of the JSA's powers work

 

[KillerMcQueen]

MIRROR MASTER to return later this season.

http://www.cbr.com/mirror-master-the-flash/

Hope they get crazier with showing off what Mirror Master can do, he's the type of villain who could easily get more and more powerful with each appearance.

 

[zenith16]

There are multiple sources of powers in the Arrowverse:
Particle accelerator explosion (metahumans)

genetic enhancement (Deathstroke and his super soldiers)
enchanted items (Hawks, Vandal Savage)
external advanced tech (the Atom, Mr Terrific)
divinity (Savitar, Manny the Angel)

We don't have explanations for how all of the JSA's powers work

hmm if I remeber the particle accelerator mutated your DNA / genetics.

and the drug with death strokes story wise is just a Be nine steroid(not really it mess's with your mind after all) with one take use and has nothing to do with DNA/ genetic enhancement.

and savitar story wise is sounding like he's something from science the only reason he's called a god may have do with his resurfacing in Egypt (due to barry's mistake) of all places and he's megalomaniac . he like hear of myth from old time and took on the name just like how zoom found out a jay Garrick and assumed the identity.

the only difference is kidnapping wasn't involved unlike in zooms case.