The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 9

[zenith16]

Three whole seasons in, and people can still just walk in and out of STAR Labs whenever they want, including bad guys.

it's still worse in arrow. they actually put up security for it to be ignored.


thea' Quote: barry can you even spell bio metric's oliver.

an episode later mr. terrific pre being called that walk's in the bunker with only a cell phone tracker (no hacking)and Malcolm walk in with out anything at all .....

the only people that had security last are thomas Wayne (gotham with proper biometric's and locks lasted months ) and maX lord on super girl season one where he and his security guard's are ready for the criminals .

 

[mqg96]

Three whole seasons in, and people can still just walk in and out of STAR Labs whenever they want, including bad guys.

Who are you specifically referring too? What episode that made this come to your mind?

 

[Dark Raven]

Who are you specifically referring too? What episode that made this come to your mind?

Every episode.

Killer Frost in the last episode, Music Meister in the crossover, too many other occasions to count.

 

[zenith16]

Who are you specifically referring too? What episode that made this come to your mind?

it's the fact that killer frost walked in be hind them after she saw that savitar lost his memory. dawn's talking about that. I think team flash just gave up on security . after iris was attacked in her own apartment barry made comment about cisco want to put a security system in their house but barry reminded him of the many failures and they just got a heavier door.

it mostly be best to put her in wit sec. but the writers won't allow it. and it mean's once your there joe can't ever speak to iris ever again. none ofthem can .

 

[Thome216]

I'm thinking KF could have simply froze and then shattered the door locks. And Music Meister can apparently control people with is mind, so he can basically 'talk' his way in.

When dealing with aliens and metahumans, it's hard to have strong enough security.

 

[zenith16]

I'm thinking KF could have simply froze and then shattered the door locks. And Music Meister can apparently control people with is mind, so he can basically 'talk' his way in.

When dealing with aliens and metahumans, it's hard to have strong enough security.

there weren't any other people working at star labs be sides Cisco and Caitlin, since fake well's/ RF disappeared with music Meister.

they leave to core to be too easy to access & their backs are always face the entrance

 

[mqg96]

it's the fact that killer frost walked in be hind them after she saw that savitar lost his memory. dawn's talking about that. I think team flash just gave up on security . after iris was attacked in her own apartment barry made comment about cisco want to put a security system in their house but barry reminded him of the many failures and they just got a heavier door.

it mostly be best to put her in wit sec. but the writers won't allow it. and it mean's once your there joe can't ever speak to iris ever again. none ofthem can .

Well Killer Frost is Caitlin so of course she has access to Star Labs anytime she wants to. They are the same person with the same memories despite different personalities. Just like her palm scan still worked towards the beginning of 3x19.

Now I could see where he's coming from if he's talking about other villains who have no knowledge of Star Labs or the security codes at all. Like the fake Jay Garrick breaking into Star Labs towards the beginning of season 2, or when Geomancer (earthquake guy) broke into Star Labs last season while the team was on Earth 2. Music Meister is arguably the most powerful character in the Arrowverse.

 

[kenderos]

Barry needs to realize that there is nothing wrong with trying to fix time if you are being smart about it (idk how about using the time computer the LOT have that you supposedly built). That's exactly what the LOT are trying to do, his problem is that he keeps going back to the same spot in time and doing wildly different things because of "STORY". They then have their surprise reveals but none of them really make sense and instead they rush something by you with words like "time remnants" so you don't realize it's another cop out.

If anything the reason Iris must die is because saving her life from weather wizard was one of the first times he jumped time and needed things to be made right... until the timeline unraveled back to where he was finally able to save Iris.

 

[Dark Raven]

What if Barry is actually still trapped in the speed force since the first time he entered there? And what if Iris is actually some kind of speed force entity trying to keep Barry trapped in there, and that is why she has to die? He has to give her up to escape, but he can't because he clings so tightly to her.

What if Savitar is actually the real Team Flash trying to pull Barry out of the speed force, and within the speed force it's manifesting as the villain Savitar and trying to tell Barry that it is evil and Barry believes he needs to prevent Iris's death? Maybe Barry actually needs to allow Iris to die and then suddenly his whole world will change and he'll be pulled out and rescued from there.

 

[metaphysician]

Flag on the play: absolutely nothing the Legends have been doing, vis a vis "fixing time", can be described as "smart". At best they manage to mostly fix the harm they themselves cause. At worst, they do crap like "Trigger WW4 5 years early" or "Blow up the entire space time continuum".

 

[TheRedWraith]

They even alter it on a whim with no regard for the possible butterfly effect ramifications that their actions are definitely causing, then they have the balls to be all high and mighty to Barry about changing history in a way that would logically if not for the power of plot cause far less ripple effects and would (logically) actually correct the timeline to how it is supposed to be.

 

[metaphysician]

Especially since the only reason they don't regularly see constant minor changes is because they don't live in those times, and don't stay in those times. How many sons became daughters and vice versa from their interventions? We don't know, because they don't pay attention. . . but its almost certainly *waaaay* the hell higher than the number Flash has caused.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Yeah, I will never understand how time travel means a boy becomes a girl as a result.

 

[Primal Slayer]

It's simple. The smallest change in someones sex life can make a major difference.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

It's kind of like hitting a big pane of glass with a hammer and cracking it, sure, the most notable and obvious effect will probably be exactly where you hit it, but the cracks that go outwards from that point are impossible to predict and can sometimes go across the entire pane and spider-web outwards all over again. One change in Barry's life can spread outwards and result in a change in Oliver's life, which can directly change something seemingly minor in Diggle's life, but that minor change could result in slightly different circumstances for his child being conceived. Changing the gender of Diggle's baby is actually a pretty good example of how no matter how many possible changes Barry tries to account for he cannot possibly predict the full consequences of his time travel. Flashpoint, and Barry's attempt to change it, resulted in about 17 years worth of potential timeline changes, and even the small changes could have major consequences.

 

[zenith16]

It's kind of like hitting a big pane of glass with a hammer and cracking it, sure, the most notable and obvious effect will probably be exactly where you hit it, but the cracks that go outwards from that point are impossible to predict and can sometimes go across the entire pane and spider-web outwards all over again. One change in Barry's life can spread outwards and result in a change in Oliver's life, which can directly change something seemingly minor in Diggle's life, but that minor change could result in slightly different circumstances for his child being conceived. Changing the gender of Diggle's baby is actually a pretty good example of how no matter how many possible changes Barry tries to account for he cannot possibly predict the full consequences of his time travel. Flashpoint, and Barry's attempt to change it, resulted in about 17 years worth of potential timeline changes, and even the small changes could have major consequences.

the thing is the writier are also treating time travel like the final destination movies so no matter what it get worse.
it's best for barry to stop. unless it's absolutely necessary and he's done when he has selfish desire it get worse. when it's something like stopping vandal savage it's not as bad. but he has to be careful

the first time he time traveled cisco didn't have powers ether.

and it's as primal slayer said it was in the anime series orange doing something different in the present makes all the difference and those action from you chose spin off and create new different reality.

 

[famicommander]

Yeah, I will never understand how time travel means a boy becomes a girl as a result.

Barry is essentially ripping a hole through reality when he travels through time, as opposed to the Wave Rider which is sort of just popping into and out of the timeline from the outside.

It's like the butterfly effect on a universal scale. Maybe the baby was conceived a day earlier or a day later because of a change in Diggle's interactions with Barry.

 

[TheRedWraith]

Even delaying it by an hour could effect which sperm managed to make it to the egg.

 

[Avenging Angel]

It's simple. The smallest change in someones sex life can make a major difference.

Well when you put it that way.

 

[DawnWarrior]

They did the same thing with the replacement-kid on that show Journeyman.

 

[coluanprime]

Yay for him:
http://www.etonline.com/news/217419_the_flash_star_keiynan_lonsdale_comes_out_as_bisexual/

 

[Thome216]

Yay for him:
http://www.etonline.com/news/217419_the_flash_star_keiynan_lonsdale_comes_out_as_bisexual/

Bravo! Be happy!

 

[Slick]

Keiynan is great. Good for him.

 

[Avenging Angel]

I'm still not clear on why Savitar wants Killer Frost, or at least what they personally are getting out of teaming up. We get almost no interactions between them. I'd really like some stuff cleared up tomorrow. More KF would be just a bonus.

 

[mqg96]

I'm still not clear on why Savitar wants Killer Frost, or at least what they personally are getting out of teaming up. We get almost no interactions between them. I'd really like some stuff cleared up tomorrow. More KF would be just a bonus.

All I know is that what Savitar and Killer Frost have in common is that they're broken from all the losses they've suffered, and they want their anger & pain to go away by turning to the dark side and becoming "Gods".