The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 9

[TheOnlyNameLeft]

Speculation/Spoiler throughout.

To me it seems really stupid if they went through all this and HR just took the place of Iris. But we do have the face changing thing in the episode which leads us to the Chekov's Gun theory, we do see HR staring at the blade in his last scene. And even though Wally is incapacitated, there is time where Barry and Savitar are fighting each other to maybe give HR a chance to trade places with Iris. And we don't see HR at all in those series of events, whereas from Cisco's vibe from earlier in the season, he was there. So it looks like it probably will be HR, but this just rubs me the wrong way. I hope Iris was the one who died.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Yes, they really turned Barry into such a massive moron when it comes to time-travelling that it's painful to watch at times.

I do understand where he comes from with his decision making in that case. If I had Barry's mindset when it comes to problem solving (being a total idiot disregarding the consequences I know will occur, that is) along with the opportunity to get someone back but knew that it could potentially fxxx up the world doing so, I'd also go for the person that mean's the most to me, which sounds horrible and cruel, but, yeah, usually you go for the one you love.

Eh, I really think the writers turned Barry in such a fxxx up by now that it will be hard for them to suddenly make him selfless and reasonable, not to mention that he should not travel through time at all, no matter whether it is for himself or his friends. The speed force is a massive power to have and TV Barry shows nicely what happens when you are too dumb to use it in a mindful way.

I think they try to make him more 'relatable' by turning him into a moron, or what the writers think is relatable, and I'm pretty sure they stick to him being a dumbass for quite a while longer if not forever, it is just the way they want the Flash to be.

You don't just love one person though, it also seems like Barry abandoned working with his team. Which some people didn't like in the beginning. I remember when Team Flash was shunned as a group. Now, people realize that it was his friends that held him together. This season was just a depressing mess of horrible decisions, pursuing obsessions and selfish heros pushing friendships away.

Barry is going to have to do something really selfless to be redeemed. Being about one person, really? He was willing to kill King Shark, really? He's always willing to run back in time to fix whatever mistake he made, even knowing the consequences. It's hard to like him now. Ever since the start of Season 3 he's been on a decline.

Can't you make someone smart and relatable? Why do they have to be dense, perpetually sad and hopeless? This isn't the Barry Allen most people know and love from the stories. Whatever the writers are planning to do with him I hope it's to lift up his spirits and have him learn lesson about the things he can't prevent.

 

[Eni]

You don't just love one person though, it also seems like Barry abandoned working with his team. Which some people didn't like in the beginning. I remember when Team Flash was shunned as a group. Now, people realize that it was his friends that held him together. This season was just a depressing mess of horrible decisions, pursuing obsessions and selfish heros pushing friendships away.

Barry is going to have to do something really selfless to be redeemed. Being about one person, really? He was willing to kill King Shark, really? He's always willing to run back in time to fix whatever mistake he made, even knowing the consequences. It's hard to like him now. Ever since the start of Season 3 he's been on a decline.

Can't you make someone smart and relatable? Why do they have to be dense, perpetually sad and hopeless? This isn't the Barry Allen most people know and love from the stories. Whatever the writers are planning to do with him I hope it's to lift up his spirits and have him learn lesson about the things he can't prevent.

Eh, I still think team Flash is not necessary to have around to such a degree as they are right now and are part of what drags the show down at times, but what shall you do?

I agree with the rest, though. Barry is turning into a pretty unlikabe character, and I don't think the writers have the right grasp on the character to change that.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Probably, but I'd like it for once if they all worked together in something, maybe on the battlefield further down the road, perhaps in Season 4.

The rest remains to be seen. They have some seasons to figure this out. I think it might end the way Smallville did, just a hunch.

 

[DawnWarrior]

I'm surprised they haven't done an episode yet that has Barry traveling to a future where he's dead and Wally is the Flash. Y'know, like in the comics. This would all be after the date of the 'Crisis.' That'd be some good S4 fodder.

 

[zenith16]

h mmm I just had this really insane and wild idea they keep show when ever frost orther called savitar "Barry" he get mad and freak on them and really push's that's not my name. hmmm it mean he has a name of his own and some how I don't think it's savitar. and that was that weird when barry lost his memory and he asked why don't used the name bart?


Oh lord no they didn't that mean's we're gonna see the character impulse cause writer did some thing annoying again with throw name of cool character the fan base want to see on to thing / character those names should be on. and now he's villain. sigh

 

[mqg96]

I think both female characters have that problem, neither Iris nor Caitlin are used well on the show, one is pretty superfluous other than supposedly being what keeps Barry from losing himself in the speedforce, and the other one was a rather dull supporting character that conveniently turned into a schizo for the plot's sake, but still isn't really that interesting other being another obstacle for the hero to overcome.

Don't forget Jesse Quick either. Her character is very unlikable for me. I can't stand how she's so rude to her father (Harry Wells) who would do anything to save her from ZOOM out of all villains. Her hard hearted attitude just gives me a migraine. Then after the speed force episode she decides to go to Earth 3 to take Jay Garrick's spot as the Flash, but did you forget about protecting your own Earth including your father who's sick?

I didn't like Iris' attitude back in season 1, but since season 2 there's hardly much Iris has done that's made her unlikable. It's just that the writers use her as a plot device and fail to give her a backstory with her own life in journalism or other stuff. I enjoy Barry and Iris' chemistry and the quotes Iris will give to Barry and the team to keep them enlightened everywhere they go. I feel like Candice Patton is an excellent actress (cool personality too) and plays Iris very well, it's just the writers who need to improve on her character. I hate to be extremely harsh, but I think people over exaggerate Iris' character and deep down inside they wish a white woman was with Barry like Patty or Caitlin. (whose actors are no better than Candice)

 

[Eni]

Don't forget Jesse Quick either. Her character is very unlikable for me. I can't stand how she's so rude to her father (Harry Wells) who would do anything to save her from ZOOM out of all villains. Her hard hearted attitude just gives me a migraine. Then after the speed force episode she decides to go to Earth 3 to take Jay Garrick's spot as the Flash, but did you forget about protecting your own Earth including your father who's sick?

I didn't like Iris' attitude back in season 1, but since season 2 there's hardly much Iris has done that's made her unlikable. It's just that the writers use her as a plot device and fail to give her a backstory with her own life in journalism or other stuff. I enjoy Barry and Iris' chemistry and the quotes Iris will give to Barry and the team to keep them enlightened everywhere they go. I feel like Candice Patton is an excellent actress (cool personality too) and plays Iris very well, it's just the writers who need to improve on her character. I hate to be extremely harsh, but I think people over exaggerate Iris' character and deep down inside they wish a white woman was with Barry like Patty or Caitlin. (whose actors are no better than Candice)

Jesse just is another not very well-written nor used female character, who has a lot of potential. The show is too crowded, though, and the writers are not able to distribute the time they are giving to tell an interesting story with the characters they chose to cramp into it. I think more abt writers could make it work, but so far the Flash has been a pretty big disappointment when it comes to women.
Tbh, I was more annoyed by Harry than anything since I saw him never as anything but an excuse to keep Tom on the show, like H.R. is right now, so I didn't mind Jesse reacting very strongly to what she went through partly due to her lovely dad and letting him know about it, but then again, I don't like the Harry character very much.

I agree that Iris is no longer an obnoxious character like she was in season one, but she can pretty much be replaced with a lamp or a cut out more often than not. She is there to be Barry's moral support in a very unhealthy, depending way, and a source for drama. That's not good character building or making her even interesting. I can't say that I think that Patton has been an excellent actor so far, I think some of her acting has been a little wooden at times, but then again, the same problem have most of the others as well, she is certainly not bad or anything, but I'd say more like average. Though she does have a pretty sweet personality.

I think some people may dislike Patton as Iris due to her race, but I think it's not as big as a issue anymore. I have the feeling that her race in discussions comes up much more as an excuse for people who like her to try and force others to back off who would have her rather off the show, even if those do so because of her portrayal of Iris and the (non)use of the character in general. Don't take me wrong, there are racist fxxxs who will groan and moan about how a black woman can be an initial white character, but I think the 'race-card' is often used without base other because people try to weaken another person's argument.

 

[metaphysician]

. . .what, exactly, is wrong with taking serious issues that someone uses your well-being to justify acting like a villain? Jesse's perspective was a perfectly reasonable "Um, Dad? You murdered people in order to help a psychopathic supervillain gain power. Did it occur to you that I don't want my safety to be bought at the cost of human sacrifice? Some things are more important than my well-being."

Admittedly, the show *is* fairly bad at dealing with the idea of "Knowingly accepting risk".

 

[Syncos]

Don't forget Jesse Quick either. Her character is very unlikable for me. I can't stand how she's so rude to her father (Harry Wells) who would do anything to save her from ZOOM out of all villains. Her hard hearted attitude just gives me a migraine. Then after the speed force episode she decides to go to Earth 3 to take Jay Garrick's spot as the Flash, but did you forget about protecting your own Earth including your father who's sick?

Harry isn't sick. It was the point of that episode that he was manipulating Wally to convince Jesse to stay with him.

Harry is a perfectly capable defender of E2. That's why E3 needs Jesse.

 

[KevTravels]

maybe O/T but how big is the budget of the Flash compared to Arrow or Supergirl (or to the Marvel Netflix series) ?

 

[zenith16]

maybe O/T but how big is the budget of the Flash compared to Arrow or Supergirl (or to the Marvel Netflix series) ?

right now the flash is bigger then arrow since arrow had three(I'm talking aboutthat lead into season 3-4 from the writers) most would say two bad seasons which are 3-4. it's the number one show the cw where dc tv is involved and then super girl fallows it . Arrow has be relegated to /dancing on third in north america depending. and then there's legends.

Also on the Canadian side since arrow had those season's bring it down they removed from the main channel's. it was airing in canada in the main cTv channal's and is only aired on CTv 2 when new season start. the latter are channel that don't have as broad an audience compared to mains in Canada.

some thing weird happened with flash though. This year two they are airing alot more on CTV 2 channel's instead of the main one. but that was due to beside have weird a season this year with scheduling cause of shows like the voice having longer hours. so it's not clear if it was this season completely off or it was conflict of when to have other shows on the main channel get their air time and still show it.

If it was due to the season not doing so well, then it'll seem the flash lost greater chunk of it's viewing audience in canada for the time being which would be a shame.

super girl on the other had is on "show case " which is a channel in canada very much like the "show time" channel state side they are owned by the same people . And seems to be doing well as it is in the CW channels . Legends fell down after season 1 here and was on ctv 2 channels mid season of season 2.

state side they are all coming back cause they have been renewed for their season so they doing ok. or decent.

 

[Syncos]

right now the flash is bigger then arrow since arrow had three(I'm talking aboutthat lead into season 3-4 from the writers) most would say two bad seasons which are 3-4. it's the number one show the cw where dc tv is involved and then super girl fallows it . Arrow has be relegated to /dancing on third in north america depending. and then there's legends.

Also on the Canadian side since arrow had those season's bring it down they removed from the main channel's. it was airing in canada in the main cTv channal's and is only aired on CTv 2 when new season start. the latter are channel that don't have as broad an audience compared to mains in Canada.

some thing weird happened with flash though. This year two they are airing alot more on CTV 2 channel's instead of the main one. but that was due to beside have weird a season this year with scheduling cause of shows like the voice having longer hours. so it's not clear if it was this season completely off or it was conflict of when to have other shows on the main channel get their air time and still show it.

If it was due to the season not doing so well, then it'll seem the flash lost greater chunk of it's viewing audience in canada for the time being which would be a shame.

super girl on the other had is on "show case " which is a channel in canada very much like the "show time" channel state side they are owned by the same people . And seems to be doing well as it is in the CW channels . Legends fell down after season 1 here and was on ctv 2 channels mid season of season 2.

state side they are all coming back cause they have been renewed for their season so they doing ok. or decent.

Here in Nova Scotia it was always just CTV. Nothing moved to CTV2.

 

[zenith16]

Here in Nova Scotia it was always just CTV. Nothing moved to CTV2.

cool at least that side didn't move it . we''l see if the other ctv's bring it back. like I said this was a weird season. and I'm sure if it was due to people not feeling anymore and the numbers dropped or if it was something else.

 

[Daemain]

The Flash 3x23 Sneak Peak "Finish Line" Season 3 Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upJ3-4Xj_VY

 

[Daemain]

The Flash 3x23 Sneak Peek #2 "Finish Line" Season 3 Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVuwhOSoKbU

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, if it were up to me, I would have Season 4 feel like a minor reboot....not where we ignore previous continuity, but where the show feels a lot different from the generic formula that it's been suffering from since the end of Season 2.

I'd have the show become more like an actual CSI meets superhero tv series where instead of showcasing team flash at star labs, we would actually have the CCPD involved in more of the metahuman activities in Central City.

It would probably help if they gave Barry his new suit for next season and gave him a flash ring as well.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Well they did just get rid of one of their EPs so....maybe

 

[Herolee10]

I also hope that there is more of a criminal element present for next season where we see organized metahuman criminals run amok in CC.

I mean if they're going to have the Thinker be the next big bad, then have him assemble the rogues to take on Barry (Mirror Master, Top, Weather Wizard, The Trickster, etc.)

The first half of Season 4 could be about the Rogues trying to get their revenge on the Flash and the second half could be about them going into war against each other.

It would also be a great way to utilize Iris's role as a reporter.

 

[legendkillin]

I also hope that there is more of a criminal element present for next season where we see organized metahuman criminals run amok in CC.

I mean if they're going to have the Thinker be the next big bad, then have him assemble the rogues to take on Barry (Mirror Master, Top, Weather Wizard, The Trickster, etc.)

The first half of Season 4 could be about the Rogues trying to get their revenge on the Flash and the second half could be about them going into war against each other.

It would also be a great way to utilize Iris's role as a reporter.

I would like to see the Rogues as a group but each one of them get 2 eps to kill Flash. Something like how Buffy did with the 3 Nerds, they each had episodes where they come up with plans that the rest of the group has to go along with. I think that can happen with the Rogues, but they go solo instead. They all fail and in the mid season finale they finally come up with a group scheme and defeat him.

 

[Travesty]

I was diggin the finale until the very last 3-4 min. If next season is Kid Flash focused for 12+ episodes while Barry is in the Speedforce, I may have to stop watching this show. And I have a feeling that's what's going to happen.

I guess we'll see? Oh well...

 

[legendkillin]

I was diggin the finale until the very last 3-4 min. If next season is Kid Flash focused for 12+ episodes while Barry is in the Speedforce, I may have to stop watching this show. And I have a feeling that's what's going to happen.

I guess we'll see? Oh well...

They focused on Flashpoint for 1 episode. You really think they are going to have Barry trapped for 12 eps... not happening.

 

[Legendver2]

I have a feeling that next season is going to be the Godspeed arc from Rebirth resulting from this Speedforce storm that just happened. Which kinda fits, since the big bad will be another...*drum roll*...speedster.

 

[Dr Lee]

I thought that the showrunners had

Spoiler

Already announced that next season's big bad wouldn't be a speedster?

 

[Primal Slayer]

I was diggin the finale until the very last 3-4 min. If next season is Kid Flash focused for 12+ episodes while Barry is in the Speedforce, I may have to stop watching this show. And I have a feeling that's what's going to happen.

I guess we'll see? Oh well...

Let's be realistic. That's not going to happen. They arent going to sideline their lead for half a season.